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Citizenship woes for old folks and the stateless

September 6th, 2010
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Read this first (full article is here):

… Although he was born in Kuala Lumpur and has lived here all his life, Chang still holds a red identity card, which carries a permanent resident status. He began applying for citizenship in 1974 but so far he has not been successful.

He says he could not register as a citizen in 1957 because he did not have a birth certificate.

“I was born during the Japanese Occupation, so my parents were too scared to register my birth. Luckily, I was given a red IC, but after more than 15 years, I felt that it was not enough, so I applied for citizenship in 1974.”

As MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek highlighted recently, the number of persons waiting for their citizenship applications to be approved is huge. It was reported in this paper yesterday that 30,000 individuals are waiting for the outcome of their application, which were made between 2007 and 2009.

Among them are some 25,751 Chinese red IC holders. Between January and August this year, 7,674 fresh applications were submitted.

To help resolve the problem, the party’s central committee member and Deputy Home Minister Datuk Lee Chee Leong was given the task of identifying the reasons for the delay.

One main problem that has long been highlighted is lack of proper documents.

A reason identified for this is adoption: it was a common practice among Chinese parents who adopted (Malaysian-born) children to hide the child’s real identity, making it difficult for them to get their personal documents like MyKad later in life.

But, says Chiew Lian Keng who is coordinating the MCA’s citizenship task force, “Many of those waiting for their citizenship approval are old people who lived through the Japanese Occupation or the Emergency (1948-1960), so they have no papers; or their documents were lost or destroyed.”

Because of their experience during those turbulent times, he explains, many like Chang feel inferior and insecure without their citizenship.

During the Emergency and Japanese Occupation, being caught without your papers or with the “wrong” documents could mean prison and even execution, and many now needlessly worry about their safety when going out in public places.

Tracing the historical events, Chiew says many are in a fix today due to the commotion of those times and lack of access to information.

When Malaya achieved independence in 1957, everyone who was born here was given a year to take the citizenship oath.

But many who are seeking help from the task force today say they didn’t know that they had to do so at that time or had problems that made them miss the deadline.

It was the same situation when Singapore separated from Malaysia in 1965, he points out: “A year was given for people to decide if they wanted to stay in Malaysia or become Singaporeans. Still, many are now in limbo due to various reasons.”

Undeniably, Chiew concedes, there was a small group who wanted to go back to China and dragged their feet over their citizenship. By the time they resolved their dilemma, they had missed the deadline. “But this number is very small,” he stresses.

There are now five categories of citizenship application: wives of citizens; children of Malaysians aged below 21 years; application made under special circumstances for children aged below 21 years; those born before Merdeka; and applicants who are above 21 and have lived here as a permanent resident for more than 12 years.

The National Registration Department processed 32,927 applications for citizenship between 1997 and 2006.

Between 2007 and 2009, 29,677 applications were received, out of which 14,179 were approved while the remaining 15,498 applications are expected to be finalised by end of the year.

For many like Chang, who has been waiting for more than 35 years, the process is simply too slow and long.

It is not only red tape, says Chiew. One reason is that their applications keep getting rejected.

“Their applications have to go through various stages and many have come to expect rejection first. Usually, no reason is given for the rejection. Once rejected, they have to wait for two years to apply again.”

Chang has lost count of how many times he has submitted an application for citizenship.

“I took my Bahasa Malaysia test in 1974 and I passed but my first application was not approved. I applied again, and still it came back negative. I’ve been diligently re-applying.

“When I read the papers, I see that many people have received citizenship. I see many women crying and hugging the minister after getting their citizenship. So, how do you think I feel? At least, just tell me my status,” he says, showing his Bahasa Malaysia certificate.

NRD director-general Datuk Alwi Ibrahim feels that many applicants have the misconception that getting a Malaysian citizenship is their right.

It is actually a reward and the highest award from the Government of Malaysia to the applicant,” he says, adding that even those born in Malaysia do not automatically have the claim to be Malaysian citizens under the operation of law.

“Every birth in Malaysia must be registered in the NRD and the citizenship status is based on their parents’ nationality at birth.”

Alwi is sympathetic towards those who were unsuccessful in their applications but laments the public’s lack of understanding of the process.

“Most people do not understand that the NRD does not have the authority to approve their citizenship applications. They need to know and understand that there are processes that the applications need to go through before the decision can be made by the Home Minister.”

The process, he explains, is long as the Government has to be thoroughly sure that the applicant is highly deserving of Malaysian citizenship. They also need to prove that they can contribute to the country as well as show their loyalty and not bring any harm or danger to it.

One aspect that many are not aware of is that existing laws and mechanisms have been made easier for applicants aged 50 and above. They no longer need to sit for a written Bahasa Malaysia test and only have to attend an interview in which their understanding of the national language and the Federal Constitution is tested.

But, says Chiew, most of the time the questions asked in the interview are difficult.

Sometimes you get questions like ‘What is the full name of the second Sultan of Terengganu?’ I don’t think even you or I can answer that, what more an old person like Chang.”

Alwi points out that despite the challenges, the NRD and the ministry have cleared all the application backlogs.

“Currently, we are processing applications from 2007 to 2010. All applications prior to 2007 have been processed and the results are out.

“The results for 2007, 2008 and 2009 applications will be issued by end of this year while those for 2010 applications will be issued by 2012.”

While most understand the load faced by the NRD, the delay has taken a toll on this batch of pre-Merdeka generation and their families, says Chiew.

Many are so disheartened that they have simply refused to appeal when their applications are rejected. The problems they face, meanwhile, have discouraged those who have yet to apply for citizenship.

“These are old people. Many are over 60 and it is tough for them to go back and forth to the NRD. After so many years, all they want is to belong to the place they call home.”

Lorry driver Yong, 71, had almost given up hope of dying a Malaysian when he received his citizenship recently.

“The delay was affecting my family. Every time the topic came up in my house, tempers blew up. It was very stressful,” he recalls.

There are many who accuse these applicants of being too demanding, says Chang.

“It is not that we feel entitled to Malaysian citizenship. But I was born here, I grew up and work here, and my family is here. That is why I want to be a Malaysian citizen.”

For many, says Chiew, it is also a matter of survival.

As PR, they are not eligible for free medical services or the subsidies provided for senior citizens at Government hospitals. They are also not eligible for other incentives provided to retirees.

Sarita A, whose mother applied more than five times before she got her citizenship, says everything is more expensive for a red IC holder. These include hospital bills, passport and other travel costs and even entry to some places.

“My mother was very heartbroken and nearly gave up. She always said she could not go back to India because she does not know India now and she has nobody there. We are her only family,” she says.

Her mother does not only feel secure now but also relieved that she does not have to burden her children.

Although Sarita is grateful to the Government, she feels the process could have been faster.

“I felt they could have done better, especially since many are waiting anxiously to become citizens of this country.”

Hence, many were overjoyed when Dr Chua recently proposed that red IC holders aged 60 years and above with children who are citizens be granted citizenship automatically.

That will definitely help clear the NRD backlog, says Chiew.

For those like Chang, it will certainly make a difference.

I can get cheaper and better medical service,” he says with a smile.

“And Merdeka Day will be happy and meaningful again.”

I can see that economic issues play a part in attempts to get citizenship, especially the elderly folks.
Next, let’s read about HRP’s attempt to help register stateless folks:

Fifteen year old Citra Dorai was born in a prison in Alor Setar and her knowledge about the circumstances surrounding her birth is rather vague.

She has been illiterate all her life as she does not have a birth certificate or an identity card which makes it impossible for her to register for any school.

Her mother died recently and her father has left her and two other siblings in the care of an aunt, and Citra (left) is totally uncertain of her future.

“I want to be like everyone else, to go to school, and to have something to do in the future,” she said, teary-eyed.

Citra, is among 40-odd stateless persons who turned up at the Human Rights Party’s office in Perai today, to fill in their national registration forms.

More than 20 children, with ages ranging from two to 15 years, were accompanied by their equally stateless parents, to try and reverse their situation by registering their plight.

The effort is part of the HRP’s national campaign to assist stateless persons, as most of them come from the Indian community.

Citra is also part of the 150,000 Malaysians who were born and bred in the country but who continues to suffer as stateless persons for various reasons ranging from not having parents’ with citizenship to refusal to follow suit when a spouse or parent converts to Islam.

Disappointing meet

On Aug 13, HRP leaders met with NRD officers in Putrajaya, but came home feeling disappointed that the officers gave the impression that the problem was not as serious as they had made it out to be, said the party’s national advisor N. Ganesan.

“But we have proven our point, in just a month, without even a campaign, only word by mouth, we have managed to gather some 40 stateless people in this office,” he said.

“We want the NRD to take ownership of this problem and try to resolve this issue; it cannot deny that this is a big problem,” Ganesan (right) added.

Ganesan, a lawyer by profession, reiterated that what has been constitutionally guaranteed has been systematically and procedurally denied to the poor and vulnerable.

“This has contributed further to their marginalisation and continuing dispossession from mainstream Malaysia,” he added.

Meanwhile, the NRD has responded to the allegations by stating that the mobile registration program known as MyDaftar has been travelling to several Tamil schools and Indian estates to register undocumented children this year.

Its public relations officer Janisiah Mohd Noor stated in an email reply, that for cases of mixed marriage sans , the matter should be referred to the appropriate religious department for more clarification.

She also stressed that the parents must be in legal wedlock to be registered as the child’s parent.

Janisiah claimed that the main reason for this statelessness plaguing the poor Malaysian Indians is due to their ignorance of law, unregistered marriages, and domestic problems.

Ganesan said the forms provided by the NRD was complicated that even an educated, un-marginalised middle class person would find a daunting task to fill in all their particulars.

“Please be reminded that these people with the stateless problems are from the working class; everyday they go to the NRD and are rejected due to incomplete forms, they lose a day’s wage,” he said.

“They have to return again and again before they get their forms rights and for many of these working class people, they simply cannot afford the time, so they let things continue to hang,” he added.

So, we can see HRP’s argument that process is complicated due the the forms. Coupled with long waiting time, well, you get unsolved problems. NRD doesn’t get involved in issues so that another hurdle the folks have to deal separately. While in the earlier article, the focus is on elderly folks, the one above shows the importance of identity document in order to pursue education beyond primary school.

Also note that HRP says citizenship is guaranteed under constitution while NRD says its a reward, depending on the nationality of the parents.

MIUP attempts satire

September 5th, 2010
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I guess word of the month is satire and is not about to give it a skip :-)

On a serious note, if they are serious, should try to seek associate membership in UMNO. Might have to sacrifice something, but hey, if its worth it, why not?

The Malaysian Indian United Party () hopes its application to become one of the component parties in Barisan Nasional will be approved.

president Datuk S. Nallakaruppan said it was the desire of any political party that supports Barisan’s aspiration to be officially accepted into the coalition.

He felt there was hope that ’s application would be considered following the admission of the Malaysian Indian Muslim Congress (Kimma) as an associate member of Umno recently.

“The decision reflects Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak wanting to see more friends who are not Umno members, support Barisan,” he said in a statement.

Najib, who is also Umno president, last Friday announced the party’s supreme council had decided to accept Kimma’s membership application.

Following this, Kimma has observer status at Umno’s general assemblies and division meetings but cannot be involved in the party’s internal matters.

had applied for direct membership last year and was still awaiting a decision.

Bell Club in Johor transfered RM60k

August 31st, 2010
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seems to be in headline again. Just few weeks ago it was a division head who was convicted of corruption. Now is an “individual linked to ” – whatever that means.

Anyway, investigation only, doesn’t mean got any wrongdoing right? Maybe some simple case of miscommunication or misunderstanding of procedures. But, RM60,000 is lot of money.

The Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) is investigating allegations that an allocation given to an Indian non-governmental organisation had been transferred into a politician’s bank account.

It was learnt that the MACC had already begun recording statements from individuals and politicians in connection with the RM60,000 allocation to a Bell club in the state.

MACC chief Simi Abdul Ghani confirmed that they were investigating the case but declined to disclose any details.

It was learnt that the probe started after the Bell Club committee initiated its own investigation into one of its branches for receiving the allocation from the state government and then allegedly channelling a large part of it into the account of an individual linked to the , keeping only a token sum for itself. The matter surfaced recently when the RM60,000 allocation to the branch in question was published in an booklet.

Since then, questions have been asked as to why such a large sum was given to a small branch instead of the state committee to be distributed to all the clubs in the state.

This prompted the state Bell Club to call for an emergency meeting, its president G. Ganesh said.

“We view this matter seriously and want the branch chairman to explain as there are many rumours circulating.”

Ganesh said it was wrong to use the club’s accounts to get money and then use it for other purposes.

“We also do not know how they got such a huge allocation or who helped to source for the cash.”

Asked whether action would be taken against the chairman, Ganesh said they first had to decide whether to refer him to the disciplinary committee.

As for previous allocations from the Government, he said Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman had given RM150,000 to the state Bell Club to pay off a bank loan for a building in Kluang last year.

“That was the only allocation we received from the state government,” he said, adding that presently there were about 26 active Bell clubs with about 5,000 members state-wide.

Mother Mangalam

August 31st, 2010
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Article about Mother Mangalam, one of the recipient of Merdeka Award for 2010. From the Star.

At 84, Mother Mangalam is still busy solving problems and helping the less fortunate. Sunday Star catches up with the recipient of this year’s Merdeka Award in the education and community category and finds out what makes her so unique.

DATIN Paduka Mother A. Mangalam is totally surprised at being named as one of the recipients for this year’s Merdeka Award.

“I never expected this. Why me, of all people?” asks the 84-year-old who is shy of publicity of any kind.

As president and co-founder of the Pure Life Society (PLS), which provides shelter for needy children, Mother Mangalam has selflessly dedicated her life to the welfare of the less fortunate. With her faith in God and a never-give-up attitude, she has helped to provide a better life for the 2,000 children who have passed through the home.

Mother Mangalam: ‘People give love for many reasons, but he (Swami Satyananda) told me that true love is simply given for the sake of love, and not to ask for anything back.’

Although a teacher by profession, Mother Mangalam has always been a spiritual person, and she cites her father as well as founder-president of the PLS Swami Satyananda, whom she considers her spiritual mentor, as the two people who have influenced her the most.

“I was born into a Hindu family, but my father was a practising Catholic. On Sundays, he used to take me out marketing, and we would go to church too.”

She remembers the first prayer he taught her when she was seven.

“It went, ‘Oh my god, give me the true love of thee.’

“People give love for many reasons, but he told me that true love is simply given for the sake of love, and not to ask for anything back. That idea has stuck with me.”

She met Swami Satyananda when she was nine and recalls how, at one point (soon after World War II), she wanted to go to India to join a nunnery. But the Swami advised her against it.

“He reminded me that I was the eldest in my family of seven, and that I had to help my brother and sisters who had been affected by the war. He told me I must obtain my parents’ blessings before going into religious life.”

The war, she recalls, also had a great impact on the way she approached life.

“It put me into deep thought, and I used to reflect a lot about life and death during that time. Life was full of difficulties – poverty was all around and people barely had food to eat. Death was everywhere.”

It was then that she resolved not to marry and have children, as she felt that there were so many others who needed her help.

In the years after the war, many orphans came into the care of Swami Satyananda, and he used to place them with families.

“I used to go around with Swami and we would visit children whom he had left with associates.

“During those visits, it was so sad to see the children’s faces – they were very withdrawn and inexpressive. Furthermore, some foster parents would complain about the child right in front of them, and that hurt me a lot.”

After a visit one day, she blurted to Swami that they should start a home for them.

“He asked me who would look after them, and I remained silent. I had parents to look after, and to get away (from her responsibilities) was not easy.”

But the thought must have been working in his mind, and one day he asked not to be disturbed for three days and nights.

“He did not say why but after three days, he opened his door and said: ‘I have got the green light. How are you people going to help me?’”

That led to the PLS being set up and officially registered on July 15, 1952.

But it was also the start of more trials and tribulations.

“Funds were hard to come by and we used to live on porridge every night. We found it very difficult to get milk. I used to practically beg for milk from Nestlé and Dutch Baby (now Dutch Lady) and we would mix the two for taste.”

Despite all the difficulties she had to face, Mother Mangalam remained confident because of her belief that God would always provide.

“I never lost or gave up hope. Miracles happen all the time and the divine power is ever present.”

She recalls another time in the 1970s when her life was in turmoil – torn between her work and her own family’s needs.

She was the head of a school and also heading the PLS. Conditions at the home then were very cramped.

“We started getting many anonymous letters which were highly critical of the home – saying that the children were packed in like livestock.

“At the same time, I had my sisters to take care of. My brother had lost his job and they all turned to me. So I had to hold on to the school job.”

The pressure on her was overwhelming and one day, she broke down in tears and prayed for one of the burdens to be lifted from her shoulders.

“Two weeks later, my mother called me and said my father had won a RM400,000 lottery!”

She says the windfall allowed her to take optional retirement and concentrate on her work at the PLS.

So what keeps her going at an age when most people would have been retired for 30 years?

“Look at the needs of the nation – when I read the newspapers I get so involved in the problems. Why do religions rise up against each other, or try to dominate another? This all means people are not thinking in the right way. We are all of one God, of one Mother Earth, and there is only one race – the human race. People are made to look different, like the different flowers on earth, to make life interesting.”

To many, Mother Mangalam is synonymous with the PLS, a perception she has no control over.

“I’ve been in it from the beginning and people see Pure Life Society written all over me. I wouldn’t encourage this, and I feel odd when people say it.

“The society is the product of the many hands that have served through thick and thin – especially the staff. This type of work will go on.

“I’m still looking for someone who will be able to carry on the work. This was started after prayer and meditation, and it is all God’s will.”

And you should read this article on how Dr Amir Farid describes Mother Mangalam:

A NATIONAL treasure! This is how Dr Amir Farid Isahak, chairman of the Interfaith Spiritual Fellowship (INSaF), describes Mother Manga lam whom he first met 11 years ago.

He says there is much wisdom the 84-year-old Pure Life Society (PLS) president can impart to the people.

“Malaysians should know more of her. I think more communities outside of the PLS should hear her message of oneness of religious purpose, tolerance and understanding.”

Their acquaintance, he relates, was not by chance.

They met in 1999, on the eve of Prophet Muhammad’s birthday. Prior to that, he had only heard of her but never met her personally.

“During prayer time, I asked God if he had any instructions for me. When I finished, and returned to the hall, Mother Mangalam approached me and said she wanted me to lead INSaF, the inter-faith programme of the Pure Life Society.

“So mentally, I said to God ‘Instruction received’, and have been chairing it ever since.”

He explains that the PLS was set up as a multi-faith spiritual organisation.

“INSaF is a gathering of spiritually-inclined people of all faiths, including representatives of the major religions. Mother is our adviser and provides us much spiritual advice, guidance and motherly love. She reminds us of the need to be loving and caring in our everyday life, and to be God-conscious at every moment – and she recites beautiful prayers and poems!”

Dr Amir says Mother Mangalam respects the spiritual essence of all religions, that God is one but understood differently by different religions.

“The message of oneness, respect and learning from each other is an important message. This can help bring down barriers, and foster stronger bonds of friendship and understanding – this should be shared with all Malaysians.”

Dr Amir has a strong affinity and fondness for Mother Mangalam, and says she treats him like a son, which he reciprocates.

“She is a pillar of patience and wisdom. She is strong-willed and determined, but rarely shows her anger whenever something upsets her. She is always composed, and in that way her thoughts and decisions are never clouded by emotions.”

He says that he tries to follow her lead.

“She has taught me to be patient, and to be disciplined in all aspects of life. What I have yet to try to emulate is never to be angry!”

Shelter Home for Children executive director James Nayagam, who has known Mother Mangalam for more than 30 years, says she is thoroughly deserving of the Merdeka Award.

“We can see how the Pure Life Society has progressed under her leadership.

“It requires dedication and commitment to face the challenges, and she has been there throughout. She has dedicated herself to providing children a safe and wholesome place to stay,” he adds.

Nayagam feels that the dedication Mother Mangalam displays is lacking in the young. She can be a to many who want to take up social work, he says.

“Time and age has not been an issue for her, and she looks upon it as a service to the country, and that is why she is recognised.”

Nayagam remembers meeting her when he was 25, and he asked her how she could manage such a difficult job.

“She told me that one must always be in control, and that stuck in my mind.

“You cannot find another Mother Manga lam – she has her own unique appearance, character and personality. She is one of a kind.”

Banggarma and Rani ask for divine intervention

August 24th, 2010
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These two ladies literally challenged the stated religion’s authorities. I wonder what the body snatchers are going to do now. Probably haul them to syariah court or order counseling? This will be considered as apostasy I guess, so may be fine, jail and rehabilitation.

We can see that most of the problems faced is due to their parents. I guess this gives an idea of the perils of converting due to marriage. I hope our makkal will think carefully before making the fateful decision, so that the chance of our children suffering will be reduced. No point making wrong decision and regret later.

Two women seen in the eyes of the law as Muslims but who consider themselves as Hindus took part in the Timithi Vizla (annual fire walking ceremony) at the Sri Muthu Mariamman Kovil temple in Parit Buntar last Friday.

NONEAccording to Parit Buntar district Human Rights Party Malaysia (HRP) chief M Sivakumar, S Banggarma (left), 28, (Muslim name Siti Hasnah Vangarama Abdullah) had carried the milk pot for a kilometre from Muneesuarar temple to the Sri Muthu Mariamman temple praying for a swift solution to her dilemma.

Rani @ Jamillah Abdul Kadir, 46, also attended the temple function asking for the same favour.

At the religious function, the HRP also went on a signature campaign to highlight the plight of four women trapped in a religious twilight zone.

Besides Banggarma and Rani, M Indira Gandhi and Regina Mohd Zaini, are also attempting to seek royal intervention to solve their dilemmas.

They have exhausted their legal avenues including the religious departments, courts, registration departments and the police.

Their last resort is to appeal for royal intervention from the Sultans of Perak, and the Agong who are heads of Islamic matters in the country.

NONETheir contention is that they have the right to freedom of religion as enshrined in Article 11 of the federal constitution.

Indira is from Ipoh and Banggarma is from Tanjong Piandang, while Rani is from Malacca and Regina from Johore.

According to Perak HRP chief P Ramesh, these four are members of his party, which has collected about 5,000 signatures in support of them.

HRP will present the first memorandum of appeal to Sultan Azlan Shah at Istana Kinta in Ipoh on Sunday at 11am.

They will then approach the Sultan on the case of Regina, followed by the Agong for Rani as Malacca does not have a sultan.

Given away

According to HRP national information officer and information chief S Jayathas, Rani’s parents, due to financial difficulties, had given her away to their Hindu neighbour by the name of Kandasamy.

NONEHer Muslim mother Aminnah Ahmadu had married her converted father Abdul Kadir @ Krishnan.

When Rani (right) was 16, she married her Hindu husband who was later forced to convert to Islam as Mustapha @ M Muniandy and they have four children – two daughters and two sons.

Their eldest daughter, 27, is named as Aishah bt Mustapha Muniandy in her birth certificate but the parents managed to change her name to Vijaya Letchumy A/P M Muniandy in her identity card.

However, the other three children, Abdul, 26, Hamzah, 24, and Citra Devi, 16, still carry their Muslim names in their identity cards.

According to Jayathas, Rani had made declarations before a commissioner of oaths that she wanted Abdul to be known by his Hindu name as Ganesan and Hamzah as Nagendran, but the registration department has allegedly refused to make the changes.

Application turned down 

As for Banggama’s case, on Aug 4 the Penang High Court had turned down her application for a court order that would nullify her to Islam when she was seven.

Judicial Commissioner Yaacob Sam had found that Banggama is a Muslim since her parents had converted to Islam in 1983 together with their children and said the civil court has no jurisdiction to hear a case involving to Islam.

NONEBanggama is living in Tanjong Piandang with her fisherman husband, S Sockalingam and their two children Kanagaraj, eight, and Hisyanthini, two.

Banggama’s contention is that she has always been a Hindu and will die one even after the High Court ruled against her.

Banggarma claimed that she was unwittingly converted by the state Islamic religious authorities at the age of seven while she was staying in a welfare home in Kepala Batas, Penang.

Banggarma’s birth certificate revealed that she was born a Hindu on Aug 13, 1982, in Keratong, Pahang, to plantation workers B Subramaniam and Latchumy Ramadu.

She has practised Hinduism even though her identity card stipulated she is a Muslim.

Meanwhile Regina’s father Mohd Zaini @ Krishnan, who had earlier married a Malay woman, had taken her Hindu mother as a second wife and they have three children – two daughters and a son.

The elder daughter was able to convert to Hinduism but not Regina and her younger brother who are still classified as Muslims.

The father died when Regina was four years old and her mother died about five years ago.

Regina had married a Hindu and her problem started when her son Thinas was born and she was unable to register his birth with the registration department.

As for Indira, she had obtained an Ipoh High Court order on March 11, for the custody of her third child Prasana Diksa but is unable to enforce the ruling on her converted husband Mohd Riduan Abdullah @ K Pathmanathan who is hiding in Kelantan with the child.

On July 31, Indira had lodged a police report against her husband for criminal intimidation over using abusive words against her during a phone conversation on July 29 and for refusing to surrender the child to her according to the court order of March 11.