{"id":2285,"date":"2008-08-10T00:37:29","date_gmt":"2008-08-09T16:37:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/borninmalaysia\/2008\/08\/10\/the-real-threat-to-national-unity\/"},"modified":"2008-08-10T00:50:25","modified_gmt":"2008-08-09T16:50:25","slug":"the-real-threat-to-national-unity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/borninmalaysia\/2008\/08\/10\/the-real-threat-to-national-unity\/","title":{"rendered":"The real threat to national unity"},"content":{"rendered":"

Looking at the way (i) TV3 potrayed the protesters (focusing on PAS and PKR MPs) only when the real culprits were the pseudo-UMNO GPMS and PEKIDA, plus bloggers like Mahaguru58, (ii) the animal-like antics of the protesters, (iv) the action of the police who seemed to encourage plan to storm the building<\/a>, and (iv) the silence of the political parties, I get the impression that the real threat to national unity is Islam and its followers. It sounds terrible and my Muslim friends most likely will get upset, but that’s what I feel after seeing the attack by the protesters. If the “real” Muslims don’t do anything, I think your religion will be branded as the worst religion in the country. You guys talk about virtues and holier-than-thou values, but in reality demeaning others all the time. Just goes on to show the falsity of your following. If with barely 60% of the population you are behaving like this, imagine in 20 years time. We will be literally treated as slaves. Those protesters talk as if they are the only humans in the country and only their feelings count. What about the suffering of families of
\nconverts? Why this double standards? Is this what your religion preaches?By the way, this is the question Mahaguru58 asks<\/a> (errr…mahaguru is sanskrit word!) :<\/p>\n

Do Malaysian Muslims go around poking their nose into the Non Muslim Malaysians religious affairs?<\/p>\n

We don’t!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Now, tell me he sincerely don’t know the answer. Was he in deep meditation for the last decade? Islam is an intrusive religion. It intrudes into anything and everything. That’s the problem.<\/p>\n

I hope those 200 to 1000 protesters (depending on who reported) are not the representing the muslims in the country. If 30,000 thousand Indians rallying does not represent 1.8 million people, I fail to see how 1000 people (we just take the bigger estimate) can represent about 15 million people. I hope there are more sensible people like former Suhakam commissioner Mehrun Siraj<\/a> and others<\/a> who agree that the protesters who storm the building is not the correct way.<\/p>\n

Open discussion is the way to discuss the issues between Muslims and non-Muslims. Don\u2019t insult Islam,\u201d she (Mehrun Siraj<\/a>) said amidst the shouts of the protesters.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In NST<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, Mehrun told reporters that the topic should be discussed in a nice way and the public should be allowed to express their views.<\/p>\n

She also said that the NGO representatives\u2019 action to interrupt and stop the discussion was uncalled for.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhat I feel need to be done is to explain to the people what Islam is\u00a0 all about. I think we can come to discuss instead of shouting. That is not the way.<\/p>\n

“I am unhappy with it because it gives Islam a bad name,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n

Mehrun urged the government to amend Section 3 of the Law Reforms (Marriage and Divorce) Act 1976 to give opportunites to a converted spouse to annul his or her civil marriage at the Civil Court in cases\u00a0 where the other spouse opted not to convert.<\/p>\n

Currently, she said, there were cases being brought up to the Civil Court between the converted spouse and his or her non-Muslim partner disputing which jurisdiction \u2014 the Syariah Court or the Civil Court \u2014 should adjudicate the dissolution of civil marriage and custody of children from their civil marriage.<\/p>\n

\u201cTo me, the problem arises due to the lack of understanding among the non-Muslims and it is our duty to explain to them, but not by shouting or bullying,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n

She added that more such discussions should be held to give opportunities to Muslims to explain matters related to Islam to the non-Muslims.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

She responded when one of the demonstrators, wearing a green and white Malay Student Front (GPMS) shirt, started the verbal melee
\nwhen he grabbed hold of a microphone and lashed out at the crowd of about 100 participants.<\/p>\n

I represent Umno. Stop this forum\u201d declared the unidentified individual who also uttered \u201cDon\u2019t insult Islam\u201d and \u201cYou! Chinese, Indians, go to hell!\u201d.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Interestingly, those who attended the forum were called “babi, pengkhianat and balik China” among others. So, is it a religious protest or plan to create racial problem. Susan<\/a> provides an interesting view:<\/p>\n

About going home to China\u2026please-lah, there are more Muslim Chinese in China, than they are Malaysian Muslims in Malaysia, I think. I laugh to think of this archaic notion, which I hope, is only held by a small sector of the protestors.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Bar Council placed themselves on a higher pedestal:<\/p>\n

Earlier, in officiating the forum, Ambiga had told participants that the protesters had a right to voice their views provided that the forum is allowed to continue. \u201cDemonstrators are exercising their freedom of expression. We will certainly not lodge police reports
\nagainst them,\u201d she said, adding that they were open to share their views within the forum as well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It is very clearly explained by Bar Council on the objectives of the forum. Are those politicians so dumb until can’t understand the reasons? Why after 51 years still need to hide behind walls and cry our feeling out? Why we cannot tell our misery in public? Are we slaves? Is all those promises made during vote-currying purely lies? Why not reprimand your senior politicians? So far, only the temporary national coordinator of MIC Youth had come forward with a press statement<\/a>. I’ll understand if people from Kuala Krai<\/a> who perhaps are not able to understand English or follow the orders of their political masters makes police report, but what about the rest? Even PKR’s Kulim Bandar Bharu’s Zulkifli Nordin who said he was there<\/a> representing Muslim Lawyers Association created big havoc. HINDRAF who is strong in Kulim area need to take note on this. Anyhow, Mahaguru58 blog states that Zulkifli havbe been warned and further action will be taken. Remind everyone to get rid of this guy in the next elections. So far DAP’s Tony Pua has made a statement<\/a>. DAP’s Lim Kit Siang focuses<\/a> on the police and Ministers’ response. And where is the rest of BN and PR? Hiding behind someone’s skirt?<\/p>\n

I think Malaysians are clear about the forum<\/a>. But those few people who are bent on causing problem don’t seem to see so.<\/p>\n

Even the behavior of the protesters were different. Read below<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Although they appeared to have a uniform objective, the crowd appeared to have split into two entities – Umno-linked and opposition-linked – as the protest drew on.<\/p>\n

Some 100 protesters led by Muslim Students Front (GPMS) – an Umno-linked organisation – were the first to arrive at the Bar Council headquarters in Kuala Lumpur, the venue of the forum, at about 8.30am.<\/p>\n

According to a spokesperson, a total of 19 Muslim NGOs, including Indian Muslim Congress (Kimma), Muslim Consumer Association and Muslim welfare group Pekida, were part of this group.<\/p>\n

At about 8.45am, another group of about 100 protesters led by PAS Youth chief Salahuddin Ayub marched to the venue unexpectedly.<\/p>\n

Jarring chants ensued as both groups yelled two different series of slogans.<\/p>\n

Choice\u00a0 of banner and poster mediums were also starkly contrasting. The\u00a0 GPMS-led group used full colour canvas banners, while the PAS-led group used small posters on photocopied paper.<\/p>\n

<\/span>Despite their differences, leaders from both groups took turns to address the crowd on a common loudhailer.<\/p>\n

From the speeches, glaring differences in the two groups’ approach again came to the fore.<\/p>\n

A GPMS leader who spoke repeatedly stoked the crowd into storming the Bar Council building if the forum does not end by 10am – the time given by the protesters to the forum organisers.<\/p>\n

This was echoed by repeated calls of \u201crempuh (charge)\u201d by the angry crowd.<\/p>\n

Sensing the rise in tension however, PAS leaders who took over the loudhailer and repeatedly reminded the crowd to remain calm and sit on the road until the forum is cancelled.<\/p>\n

Even the normally firebrand cleric Dr Badrul Amin Baharom tried to keep the crowd under control by setting a more relaxed tone for the demonstration<\/p>\n

\u201cIf no one disturb the religions of others, we would leave peacefully. We don\u2019t disturb the Christians, the Hindus and the Buddhists. We urge that they do not incite (unrest) among the rakyat with religious issues.<\/p>\n

\u201cI\u2019m sure even the non-Muslims are not happy with religious issues being played up,\u201d said Badrul Amin, who is also a PKR supreme council member.<\/p>\n

PKR Kulim-Bandar Baharu MP Zulkifli Noordin however broke ranks with his opposition colleagues when he called on the crowd to storm the building should the forum continue.<\/p>\n

\u201cIf you don\u2019t hear from us at 10am, you should all storm the building,\u201d he said, before he led a four-member delegation representing the protesters to state their position to the forum organisers.<\/p>\n

Zulkifli had participated in the demonstration as a representative from the conservative Lawyers in Defence of Islam (Pembela) organisation.<\/p>\n

At about 10am, a section of the crowd tried to break past the police barricade but were held back by riot police and PAS maroon-clad
\nvolunteer corps better known as Unit Amal.<\/p>\n

Other than this, there was no untoward incidents reported. However, forum participants who later left the building were subjected to verbal abuses and obscenities from the crowd.<\/p>\n

Forum organisers were then forced to release participants from the back entrance of the building.<\/p>\n

At about 10.24am, Zulkifli emerged from the Bar Council building and declared that the objective of the protest had been met as the forum has been cancelled.<\/p>\n

The crowd eventually dispersed at about 10.30am.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The enemy of Malaysians have been revealed. Are we having religious terrorists (not made up ones like HINDRAFs, but real terrorists) just like in other countries? People who use religion for their own interests? Muslim brothers and sisters – beware. Get rid of this cancer before it further degrades your faith in the eyes of others.<\/p>\n

Worse still, the events today have revealed how the police and Home Minister work. These people are coming with thousand and excuses to cover their actions, which only reveals further how untrustworthy and discriminative things are now. The police can’t even protect a building<\/a>, but willing to move heaven and earth to bash protesters at every other gathering! Would that qualify for Malaysian Book of Records?<\/p>\n

When asked if it was fair to break up a function held in private premises, he (Asst Comm Zulkarnain) said<\/a>: “We have to. It depends on the level of risk and if the threat is increasing, then we have maintain public order.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The Home Minister instead said he will tread carefully<\/a> before considering using ISA on the organisers!<\/p>\n

It is up to each and everyone of us to protect the country OR to give up and move on to greener pastures. Sad to say, another of my friends is considering Australia today.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile some of the testimonies made during the forum are below (taken from Malaysiakini<\/a>):<\/p>\n

Prior to the disruptions, the forum went ahead when three women brought on stage to share their experience with legal wrangling resulting from religious conversions.<\/p>\n

One woman brought on stage, an ethnic Chinese, narrated how her father had met an Iranian woman before embracing Islam and marrying the woman without the family\u2019s knowledge.<\/p>\n

\u201cMother was devastated. She did not know what she did wrong… He was married to mum for 30 years. During the divorce process, he agreed to give mother our house.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cOne day, the hospital called and informed of his passing. It was during the divorce process… The authorities did not recognize my mother as his wife and me as his daughter. Our property was gone. Home didn\u2019t belong to us.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt is not fair. It is not justice,\u201d said the woman in between sobs.<\/p>\n

A German woman, known only as Anita, who shared her story later said that\u00a0 she had a civil marriage with a Malay Muslim man in England, who claimed to be an atheist at the time.<\/p>\n

When the couple returned to Malaysia, Anita said she was \u2018converted\u2019 during a Muslim marriage, which eventually ended in divorce and she would have to remain a Muslim.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhy does the family take it upon themselves to convert Western girls who come here? People should be able to choose. Why is it so rigid?
\nRelationship is supposed to be free,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n

Another woman who shared her story<\/strong><\/a> to the participants was Marie Rayappan whose family was caught in a tussle over her deceased father – Anthony Rayappan\u2019s – remains with the religious authorities.
\nThe second session of the forum involved a panel discussion on the custody battle <\/strong><\/a>between R Subashini and her former husband T Saravanan@Muhammad Shafi Saravanan Abdullah.<\/p>\n

In 2006, Saravanan had converted to Islam, taking the name Muhammad Shafi, sought a divorce and applied for custody of the couple\u2019s two children through the Syariah courts.<\/p>\n

Subsequently, Subashini filed for an injunction against Muhammad Shafi\u2019s action at the Syariah Court but was rejected at all levels up to the Federal Court.<\/p>\n

The forum panel consisted of lawyers Haniff Khatri Abdulla, K Shanmuga and Ravi Nekoo and moderated by activist Zarizanana Abdul Aziz.<\/p>\n

Two other panelists – Federal Territories Islamic Department (Jawi) Syariah prosecutor Dr Mohd Naim Mukhtar and Institute of Islamic Understanding (Ikim) representative Dr Wan Azha Wan Ahmad – pulled out of the event at the last minute.<\/p>\n

Shanmuga argued that Muhammad Shafi should have sought a divorce at the civil court as their marriage was a civil marriage.<\/p>\n

\u201cIn this case, because of the conversions, jumping spouses say that the new rule rules,\u201d said Shanmuga, who is Subashini’s lawyer.<\/p>\n

Haniff Khatri however argued that by virtue of embracing Islam, Muhammad Shafi had a right to seek recourse at the Syariah Court.<\/p>\n

\u201cHe had the urge to convert at the age of 19. Syariah principles must be advanced as long as it doesn\u2019t infringe the rights of the non Muslim. There are principle guidances in Islam,\u201d said Haniff Khatri, who is Muhammad
\nShafi’s lawyer.<\/p>\n

The last speaker Ravi concurred with Shanmuga and advised that all converts who embrace Islam finish their obligations at the civil courts before moving to the Syariah Courts.<\/p>\n

\u201cThere cannot be two conflicting orders in one case,\u201d he said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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