{"id":6044,"date":"2009-11-19T23:13:33","date_gmt":"2009-11-19T15:13:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/?p=6044"},"modified":"2009-11-23T23:08:42","modified_gmt":"2009-11-23T15:08:42","slug":"convert-at-seven","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/borninmalaysia\/2009\/11\/19\/convert-at-seven\/","title":{"rendered":"Convert at Seven"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">This is a serious allegation indeed. We hope its not true, probably some mix-up, but its not impossible to happen. Converted at an age of seven without the parent or guardian involved. I wonder if the religious department will arrest or fine her for apostasy. Logically shouldn&#8217;t be, but you never know&#8230; this is after all Bolehland.<\/p>\n<p>From <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/malaysiakini.com\/news\/117832\" target=\"_blank\">Malaysiakini<\/a><\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">A mother of two claims that she was unwittingly converted to Islam by state religious authorities as a child while at a welfare home in Kepala Batas, Penang.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>S Banggarma, whose Muslim name is Siti Hasnah Vangarama Abdullah, said she discovered this when seeking to register her marriage in 2000.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; padding: 4px; margin: 5px; border: 1px solid #888888;\" title=\"penang s banggarma siti hasnah unwitting conversion hindu islam 191109 04\" src=\"http:\/\/media1.malaysiakini.com\/222\/b4f53f2b00ece70434092840e4624692.jpg\" alt=\"NONE\" width=\"232\" height=\"307\" align=\"left\" \/>According to the housewife, she was converted to Islam in 1989, when she was seven years old.\u00a0<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Banggarama has sought the help of PKR Kedah Youth deputy chief and lawyer Gooi Hsiao Leung and the party&#8217;s Kedah Indian affairs bureau deputy chief R Kumaraguru Naidu.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Prior to getting married to her fisherman husband S Sockalingam, the 27-year-old woman said she had to obtain her MyKad from the National Registration Department (NRD) in Ipoh.\u00a0<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Her marriage took place in Tanjung Piandang, Perak.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Banggarma had apparently fled from the Rumah Kanak-Kanak Taman Bakti when she was 16 together with several inmates without taking any of her identity documents.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;I was shocked when the NRD officers told me that I&#8217;m a Muslim convert by the name of Siti Hasnah. I was issued a MyKad with that name,&#8221; she told a press conference at Gooi&#8217;s office in Georgetown this afternoon.\u00a0<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>She said due to her Muslim name, she could not register her marriage to Sockalingam, which was conducted according to Hindu rites. She was also <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">unable to register her husband&#8217;s name as the father in her children&#8217;s birth certificates<\/span><\/strong>.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><span style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; font-weight: bold; color: #993300;\">Birth cert states &#8216;Hindu&#8217;<\/span><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>According to Banggarma, after being told about her conversion, she went back to the welfare home to retrieve her identity documents.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; padding: 4px; margin: 5px; border: 1px solid #888888;\" title=\"penang s banggarma siti hasnah unwitting conversion hindu islam 191109 06\" src=\"http:\/\/media1.malaysiakini.com\/222\/ea0cb3ae46ba47770073add1c819b6c7.jpg\" alt=\"NONE\" width=\"260\" height=\"195\" align=\"left\" \/>At the home, an officer handed over her birth certificate which stipulated that she was a born Hindu on Aug 13, 1982.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; text-align: justify;\">The certificate revealed that she was born in Keratong, Pahang to plantation worker B Subramaniam and Latchumy Ramadu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; text-align: justify;\"><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>The welfare home officer also handed over a certificate disclosing her conversion in 1989.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; padding: 4px; margin: 5px; border: 1px solid #888888;\" title=\"penang s banggarma siti hasnah unwitting conversion hindu islam 191109 05\" src=\"http:\/\/media1.malaysiakini.com\/222\/9ac06753866bfb9d4acf5204ddef140f.jpg\" alt=\"NONE\" width=\"200\" height=\"267\" align=\"right\" \/>She was apparently converted to Islam before a religious officer representing the state Islamic council and department. The document showed her signature &#8216;Hasnah&#8217; on the left side bottom corner.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>However, Banggarma could not recall the incident and claimed that she was living as a Hindu while she was at the welfare home.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;I have always been a practicing Hindu,&#8221; she told reporters.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>However, <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>she admitted that she had attended Islamic prayer sessions with other inmates. &#8220;I supposed I just followed the crowd,<\/strong><\/span>&#8221; she said.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Due to the conversion, Banggarma had difficulties in registering the birth of her two children &#8211; Kanagaraj, eight, and Hisyanthini, two \u2013 until last year.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;I finally managed to obtain birth certificates for my Hindu children through legal help. I also tried to change my name back to my original Hindu name in my MyKad twice. But my attempts were unsuccessful,&#8221; she said.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><span style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; font-weight: bold; color: #993300;\">Islamic authorities to investigate<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><\/span><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Meanwhile, Gooi said he would bring up the issue with the state Islamic authorities to find a solution to end her Banggarma&#8217;s predicament.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;We would take the matter to court if we have to,&#8221; he said.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Gooi also chided the officers who converted Banggarma for being &#8220;irresponsible&#8221; and the welfare home for neglecting its duty.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;A welfare home&#8217;s primary objective is to take care of the children, not convert them. Only an irresponsible person would have converted a seven-year-old,&#8221; he said.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Contacted later, Penang Islamic Religious Affairs Council president Shabudin Yahaya said he would push for an investigation into the case.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;It happened a long time ago. We have to check our past records. It would take time,&#8221; he said.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>State executive councillor in charge of Islamic affairs Abdul Malik Kassim however declined to comment on the case since it was a legal issue.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><span style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; font-weight: bold; color: #993300;\">&#8216;My husband and kids are all I have&#8217;<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><\/span><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>During the press conference, Banggarma also revealed that she was brought to the welfare home together with two of her elder brothers and a younger sister.\u00a0<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;I was apparently found sleeping with my siblings on the roadside in Kepala Batas when the welfare officers took us to the home,&#8221; she recalled.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; padding: 4px; margin: 5px; border: 1px solid #888888;\" title=\"penang s banggarma siti hasnah unwitting conversion hindu islam 191109 01\" src=\"http:\/\/media1.malaysiakini.com\/222\/e74d4b213ec703561f5686e123b91863.jpg\" alt=\"NONE\" width=\"300\" height=\"231\" align=\"left\" \/>However, once they were enrolled into the welfare home, the siblings were separated and she never met them again.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Banggarma said her mother died when she was very young and her father had abandoned her and her siblings soon after.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>She said her father had visited her at the welfare home only once when she 13.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>Banggarma added that she had three more older siblings who went missing before she was placed in the welfare home.<br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/><br style=\"font-family: Verdana, Arial; letter-spacing: 0px;\" \/>&#8220;My husband and my children are all I have. They are the world to me,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is a serious allegation indeed. We hope its not true, probably some mix-up, but its not impossible to happen. Converted at an age of seven without the parent or guardian involved. I wonder if the religious department will arrest or fine her for apostasy. Logically shouldn&#8217;t be, but you never know&#8230; this is after [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,11,10],"tags":[92,302],"class_list":["post-6044","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-borninmalaysia","category-indian","category-religion","tag-conversion","tag-religion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6044","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6044"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6044\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6046,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6044\/revisions\/6046"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6044"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6044"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6044"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}