{"id":931,"date":"2007-12-22T13:30:08","date_gmt":"2007-12-22T05:30:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/indian\/2007\/12\/22\/police-claims-hindraf-activities-involve-secret-service\/"},"modified":"2007-12-22T13:30:08","modified_gmt":"2007-12-22T05:30:08","slug":"police-claims-hindraf-activities-involve-secret-service","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/indian\/2007\/12\/22\/police-claims-hindraf-activities-involve-secret-service\/","title":{"rendered":"police claims hindraf activities involve secret service???"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I read through the chronology and found no statement on links with secret societies etc.<\/p>\n<p>Chronology of events<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nst.com.my\/Current_News\/NST\/Saturday\/National\/2110097\/Article\/index_html\"> source<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; 2007: Police investigations show that Hindraf was involved in numerous violent demonstrations, including employing the services of secret societies against local authorities legally demolishing temples. <br \/>[wonder why the above item is stated as 2007 only] <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; July 2007: Hindraf leaders give speeches and distribute a seditious publication, 50 Years of Violation of the Federal Constitution by the Malaysian Government at the Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall. <br \/>[does seditious mean telling lies, telling unconfirmed news\/rumours, or telling the truth that may hurt, but still is the truth?]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Aug 12: Hindraf leaders and followers gather illegally outside the prime minister&#39;s office, demanding that the prime minister personally collect a memorandum from them. Hindraf leaders speak and widely distribute pamphlets containing their memorandum which called for the end to Malay special rights and included other similar demands intended to cause racial tension. <br \/>[well, when there&#39;s no reply from various posted letters, i suppose it is only normal to personall handover the requests]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Aug 30: Hindraf files class action suit against the British government for bringing Indians to Malaysia as indentured labourers and exploiting them for 150 years and thereafter failing to protect the Indian community&#39;s rights under the Federal Constitution when independence was granted. The sum sought was US$4 trillion (RM14 trillion) &#8212; or US$1 million for every Malaysian Indian. <br \/>[is this a crime? i thought this is a legal process. if not successful, so be it lah]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; October &#8211; December: SMSes alleging government conspiracies to demolish temples and completely marginalise the Indian community are circulated. In relation to the planned Hindraf rally, SMSes are sent stating that each Indian attending the rally would receive RM100,000. <br \/>&#8211; Nov 15: In a letter to the British prime minister, Hindraf alleges that the Malaysian government practises ethnic cleansing and the Islamic extremist backed government demolished Hindu temples.<br \/>[origin of the SMS? hopefully not from some 16 years old school girl&#39;s handphone!. I&#39;m sure the letter to Gordon Brown contained more than &quot;ethnic cleansing&quot; and &quot;islamic extremists&quot;. Anyway, what&#39;s the big deal? I&#39;m sure that UK and Malaysia being good friends, UK have good idea and information on our country. The memo would not have impacted our country. Again, is this a crime?] <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 16: Hindraf applies at Cheras police station for a permit to hold a gathering to submit a petition to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II to fund (estimated by Hindraf to be RM5 million) their lawsuit against the British government. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 16: Hindraf&#39;s application for permit rejected by police as the planned gathering could potentially lead to trouble and public disorder as well as the fact that the application was made by an individual. Under Section 27 of the Police Act 1967, any application for a permit to assemble in a public place must be made by an organisation or jointly by three individuals. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 16: Hindraf leaders alleged to have given seditious speeches in Tamil at a restaurant in Kuala Selangor.<br \/>[alleged? hahahaha!]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 22: Court issues an order to Hindraf leaders prohibiting them from participating in the planned Nov 25 illegal gathering. This order means, that if the gathering goes on, the respondents will not only be held liable for illegal assembly, but can also be cited for contempt of court. <br \/>[hmmm&#8230;if indeed the leaders came at 1.15pm, can still charge under contempt of court? why ISA or this dillydallying?]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 23: Three Hindraf leaders are arrested and charged with sedition. Two are released on bail while the third refuses bail and threatens to go on a hunger strike. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 23: Scuffle breaks out between Hindraf supporters and FRU. A 2,000-strong Hindraf procession gathers behind Klang district police headquarters where released Hindraf leaders give speeches.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 25: Hindraf supporters damage vehicles and temple in Batu Caves, KL, as well as cause grievous bodily hurt to policemen present. <br \/>[proof that supporters did it? can be any tom, dick and harry right? i can be anti-hindraf, attend the gathering and throw stones everywhere \ud83d\ude42 ]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 25: In defiance of a court order and police warnings, Hindraf leaders vow to proceed with the illegal gathering and urge all Indians to attend. Police were ready to negotiate with Hindraf leaders to allow them to hand over the memorandum but they were missing from the rally and only attended at  1.15pm, more than 5 hours after the crowds had gathered.<br \/>[this depends on who you ask. attendees said the organisers were there around 8am itself.]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 26: Hindraf leaders are granted a discharge not amounting to an acquittal at the Klang Sessions Court. <br \/>[of course la. always &quot;allege&quot; only. how to win?]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nov 28: British High Commissioner denies receiving Hindraf memorandum. Hindraf claims it was faxed.<br \/>[hindraf claims it faxed &quot;something&quot; and high comm acknowledges it received &quot;something&quot;]. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; December: Hindraf leaders systematically engage in a planned campaign spreading falsehoods to foreign governments and politicians. They claim that the Malaysian government carries out ethnic cleansing and widespread indiscriminate destruction of Hindu temples. <br \/>[ haiyaa&#8230;repeating old story only. what&#39;s the big deal? if left alone, i think will die a natural death. but looks like the govt is helping to promote and encourage hindraf?]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 01: A Hindraf leader, in an interview with the Indian Express (India), warned that Malaysia could become another Sri Lanka. <br \/>[so what? anyone can say many things, but if its not true, no big deal].<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 04: A Hindraf leader, in an interview with the New Paper (Singapore), said that Hindraf could not rule out violence.<br \/>[incomplete statement. a search in the internet will show the full text of the interview and what the leader actually said] <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 06: IGP reveals that Hindraf has links with terrorists and local gangster groups.<br \/>[reveals? sorry, i didn&#39;t see any proof]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 07: Attorney-General informs the court of documents alleging links between Hindraf and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). <br \/>[ alleges again? like this i also can be AG :)]<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 11: Hindraf leaders are arrested and charged with sedition. A crowd gathers near Pudu Jail and begins shouting for the leader&#39;s release. The police and the Federal Reserve Unit take up positions as the crowd begins to swell. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 12: Police raid the offices of two Hindraf leaders at Menara Mutiara Bangsar in KL and in Seremban and seize computers and documents.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Dec 13: Five Hindraf leaders are picked up from Petaling Jaya, Brickfields, Bangsar and Seremban under the Internal Security Act and send to the Kamunting Detention Centre where they will be held for two years. Hindraf supporters gather in two groups &#8212; one outside the Federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman and the other outside Menara Mutiara Bangsar. They condemn the arrests and vow to carry on with their struggle. <br \/>[well, they certainly have the spirit of malaysia boleh!]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I read through the chronology and found no statement on links with secret societies etc. Chronology of events source &#8211; 2007: Police investigations show that Hindraf was involved in numerous violent demonstrations, including employing the services of secret societies against local authorities legally demolishing temples. [wonder why the above item is stated as 2007 only] [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[38,117,21,133,24,278,147,275],"class_list":["post-931","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-indian","tag-batu-caves","tag-crime","tag-hindraf","tag-isa","tag-mic","tag-ngo","tag-selangor","tag-temples"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/931","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=931"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/931\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=931"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=931"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/poobalan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=931"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}