poobalan.com

finally, something that appeared on mainstream media (the NST) about the memorandum by HINDRAF. Just some hot air and no facts as usual 🙂

Samy Vellu hits back at Hindu Rights Action Force
BERNAMA
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PUTRAJAYA, FRI:

MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu today launched a stinging attack against a non-governmental organisation, the Hindu Rights Action Force (HINDRAF), which claimed that the Barisan Nasional (BN) government had done little to address the woes of the Malaysian Indian community over the last 50 years.

“I must state here that if there is anything that affects the Indian community, the MIC will be there to fight it out even when we are partners of the Barisan Nasional. To me, I have never remained idle and I don’t waste time,” Samy Vellu, who is also Works Minister, told Bernama today.

The MIC supremo was asked to comment on a 18-point memorandum by HINDRAF, which was handed to the Prime Minister’s office last Sunday by the organisation’s chairman P. Waytha Moorthy, secretary V.K Regu and its legal adviser P. Uthayakumar.

Apart from stating that the Indian community was marginalised by the BN government, in the memorandum, HINDRAF also wanted an end to special privileges given to Malays. The memorandum also took a dig at Umno asking the largest political party in the country to “stop playing politics” through the “mandore” (supervisor) system by dishing out aid to the Indian community on a piecemeal basis.

Killer says:

Indian_Blood

1. Whether I am happy or sad does not depend on Indians’ unity but Indians’ attitude. Just being united is meaningless
unless it is for a good cause and to make positive change. I certainly don’t think Indians have suddenly become united now. If you don’t believe me, just wait for the next temple thiruvilla and see how many fights and choppings take place. This unity will not last as the underlaying factor is not motivated by an attitudal change but just an outpouring of emotion. What HINDRAF has given Indians is just a convenient outlet and scapegoat for their failures and frustrations.

2. 30% non-Malay shares given to Malays ? This is not really true and only applicable in certain specific segments. Let’s say for argument’s sake that this is true. This is certainly not just an Indian issue but also affects the Chinese and others too. What did the Chinese do ? Sit down or cry or take the street ? What they did was find a way around it or work harder. That’s why they are so succesful. Is this fair ? Well, while I support helping poor Malays but granting 30% of shares outright would not help people to learn the value of hardwork. I believe in teaching people to fish than catching the fish and serving it on a silver platter for them.

The point is this is a strategic issue that would not be solved by taking the street. We need to understand that such policies do not have to stop us from succeeding.

3. Straight A students cannot get a place in university ? Come on are you joking ? Please give me examples and don’t just make empty and unsubstianted claims.

4. Temple demolition : I agree the authorities need to be more sensitive in temple issues. But put yourself into their shoes. Look at the irresponsbile way our people are building temples. They just build temples when and where they wish.

I am angry when some Indian moron build temple under a bridge, on road side, near a drain, etc. This is a great disrespect to Hinduism. The Malays might not respect our temples as they are not Hindus. But the Hindus who build illegal temples and without following the religious procuedures have no excuse for insulting the religion. We have about only 9700 schools (all languages, both primary and secondary) in the country catering for more than 5 million students. Yet have more than 25,000 temples just for about 2 million Indians. Does this make sense ? This is exactly why we are behind the Chinese.

I am also furious at the irresponsible Indians who refused to relocate the temples after getting notices from authorities. Don’t you think these Hindus are committing sins by their inaction.

Every temple that was demolished was ILLEGAL. Every temple which was demolished was given numerous notices to move but our people refused to do so. A good example is the Kg Jawa case. What do you have to say about this ?

Can you or HINDRAF give proof that legal temples were destroyed ?

Posted on January 8th, 2008

Indian says:

MP: Edited. let’s not go to personal insults here.

dear Killer…

glad to see your prompt reply which shown that you’re really GREAT TALKER….

AGAIN.stop tell my religion is moron you stupid *****
you know actually you’re spit your face by condemming the HINDHU’s and indian..
i shld include the word HINDHU’s beacuse there is a punjabi temple also was build near to drain and down bridge..
i don’t understand why you so stupid until can reply all the comment without any proper finding and analysis my friend..
why i said so?
you said that our preivious dummy leader was done a lot to indian.example?
YOU MEAN MAIKA HOLDING SHARE?
QUOTA IN AIMS UNIVERSITY?
60% OF UNIVERSITY SEAT FOR HINDHU’S GIVEN IN 80’S WAS DECREASED TO 45% IN 90’S AND JUST 1% IN YEAR 2002 ?
sorry,,i’m not like you just said to complete reply only..
this is a fact based on the finding and ANLSYSIS by HINDRAF for the past 4 years..
BRO.
previous dummy leader provide better education by build our WORLD RECOGNIZED TAFE COLLEGE AND PROVIDING MAIKA LOAN…opsss. sorry.actually NON recognized college which can get admission without even single credit in SPM….

i can give YOU more data and explaination to show that HE is REALLY DUMMY..but yet you will reply said SAMY IS GREAT you are is follower..
So,
what is the point i’m wasting my productive time now to work on create an awareness to the PERSON LIKE YOU..
for you indian’s who support HINDRAF is stupid and moron..
ok..
since you are smart..

i’m glad to see here that majority indian’s are supporting HINDRAF yet you try to say that we are stupid you GENIUS killer..
5n..let to be a stupid like being a MUTTAL BY SUPPORTING DUMMIES.

YES..YOU ONLY CAN SEE LION IN ZOO.it mean you are a type person who really cannot think “OUT OF THE BOX”.i give some simple homework to get the meaning for above phrase and reply it.IF YOU SMART ONLY..

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Indian says:

Dear indian_blood

i need your assistance to reply yo kind fact on why HINDU’S always compare themselves with lion/tiger in the jungle ? and why not fox or cat..

thks.

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Indian says:

Dear killer..
i’m sorry again again to include your granparents into this session.. they are not at fault actually.

anyway…HINDRAF is right and we already gain support to fight for right’s from thousand’s of INDIAN’S expect those like you..
it mean we are in right track..yes its hard a bit but we are ready to break it..

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Killer says:

Dear Indian

When someone resorts to personal attacks it goes to show that the person has run out of ideas. I hope that’s not the case here. In any case I have a very thick skin and not someone easily intimidated by thuggish talks.

Anyway who told you that Indians’ univ quota was 60% in 80s ? HINDRAF ? And you people actually believe this ? It means Indians had 60% and the Chinese and Malays the balance 40%. Wake up lah, even you want to make up lies, please create more believable lies lah.

I very much doubt we even had 10% of the places in the 80s. And that was because Samy used to go to each and very Uni and beg the VCs. Now thanks to our DAP and PKR friends’ insistance of meritocracy, we have been burned. Don’t blame MIC for this blame Opposition.

And to asnwer your silly question on why Indians always comparing themselves with tigers and lions. Actually I have no idea since Hinduism is actually is very much a non-violent and vegetarian religion. Perhaps it is the influence of “Captain” Vijayakanth….??

Posted on January 9th, 2008

sylvankumar says:

Dear Brothers and sisters,

Pls read statement form yellows chinese friend… i think we better change our mindset before changing our leader or the the goverment

Good advice ‘cos it is free… change our mind set… built temples but
> built better TAMIL schools first. If we save one year “PAAL KUDAM” money
> at all temples for THAIPUSAM it is enough to support all poor families
> children school fare for a year……. pls think….as for me…. I am
> not going to take PAAL KUDAM from next year thaipusam. ( I spent about
> RM 70.00 for paal kudam itselt every year,5 in a family and PAAL KUDAN
> charge RM 5.00 per person.(RM 25)(milk cost RM 50) It is better to
> donate the money to TAMIL schools.
> >
>
> > Pls change our mind set……….pass around..
> >
> > Subject: …- Chinese advise indian! its good
> >
> > Indian was not the only one being marginalize in Malaysia. The
> > Chinese,
> Kadazan, Iban, Malanau, Orang Asli and even The Malay themselves were
> being marginalize by UMNO/BN. I’m a Chinese yet what I going to said is
> not a racist stuff yet something which how we Chinese manage to survive.
> >
> > If you think that the government is helping us, you are dead wrong.
> > Why
> is our Chinese primary school is so big and some of them were even
> bigger then the Sekolah Kebangsaan? It was from our donation money. We
> work like mad to get those money. The government nor the MCA didn’t even
> give us a penny on it. We work like mad to built those school and make
> them bigger because we believe that good education will bring future to
> our children.
> > We even hire good teachers from China to teach our student where as
> > the
> school is paying them (donation money), NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
> >
> > When our children want to further their studies, do you think UM, UPM
> > or MARA will accept us? Hell not with their stupid quota!! So what do
> > we
> do? Again we work like mad, borrow money from bank and some even dare to
> borrow from Ah Long to send our children on board to further their
> studies. Some might asked why you want to waste those money sending your
> kids outstation? If you look at the recent world ranking about our local
> university, you will know why we Chinese send our children away. You
> think the Government is sincere in running those local university? Lol,
> the
> > ranking and the current unemployment rate show a good example of those
>
> > so
> call UMNO’s University.
> >
> > Back to basic, where do we find the money? Work from the bottom, don’t
> complaint much, be hardworking, and keep in your mind that the
> government and MCA DID NOT HELP US IN SETTING UP OUR CAREER. We have to
> learn them ourself, we are not born to be a business man. We are just
> like everyone,
> > we are NOT special. People keep complaining that we Chinese is damn
> > rich
> but do we steal from you? Do we force you to buy our products? Do we
> force you to make business with us? No cause we do it sincerely and we
> earn those money with our own hand.
>
> > So what is the moral of this story? 3 main point!
> >
> > EDUCATION is damn important! Even you have no money to eat, you MUST
> > make
> sure your children go to school!!
> Education is their future, you screw them up and your child future is
> gone!
> >
> > UNITY! Even you see we Chinese support different parties like MCA,
> Gerakan or DAP, we are united under 1 topic, EDUCATION! When ever UMNO
> try to disturb our Primary School, we will stand unite to fight for it
> even tough we are from different parties! This is why they fail to touch
> our school even they have try for so many years!
> >
> > And last one is ATTITUDE!! No money to eat? If you have money to
> > smoke, drink ‘Samsu’ or even for gambling, you still dare to said you
> don’t have money to eat?? Change your attitude first before you complain
> about your life. Salary too low? Go get other jobs. There are lots of
> jobs out there looking for people at school leaver like McDonalds, KFC,
> stores at shopping complex and many more. Too old for those kind of
> jobs? Then I really got nothing else to said since you don’t have to
> guts to chance your destiny.
> >
> > Life still MUST GO on even you have been marginalize. We Chinese have
> learn from it. We teach all our children that the government won’t help
> us, work = money and education = future (good career). No work = no
> money and no education = no future. A simple yet powerful thoughts that
> keep we Chinese moving in this country.
> >
> > Hope these tips will help.

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Indian says:

MP: edited.

Dear sylvankumar.

good job Bro,
yes,it’s true actually.we need to be unity now..
hope the existing govt to help is wrong and useless..but the suggestion you forward is just for interim solution.

correct if i’m wrong or too narrow that if we need a long term solution for above forwarded msg we need to ave a supportive,non favourism govt.

so,
are we stiil need to ave stick with this govt or give an apportunity for opposition to bring something new for us..
and

Dear Killer.
as i said earlier..

i don’t want to cont replying your msg again and again coz i’m so tired explaining to you(those who always practice one way communication).

anyway,you can keep go on with your stand on supporting dummies(GREAT LEADER’s) which admitted by every indian’s.

“Tepuk dada tanya selera”..
jangan nak “masuk bakul ambil sendiri”

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Indian_blood says:

MP: edited. Indian blood, you can set up a poll and gauge the response via the poll. i doubt that a blog is appropriate for this. in any event, a poll on internet will be at best, a loose indication only, since voters cannot be verified.

Dear Indian,

Indians usually compare themselves with tigers n lions bcos of the brave and daring character of these animals. Indians proved this on the 25th Nov. Although chinese are the 2nd largest community in this country, they still have no guts to do that. did i answer ur question Indian? and to u Killer, do u know y chinese never any steps to do something like what we did on the 25th nov? bcos to them Money is 2nd God. To us,Indians, dignity and our rights are much more important.

Dear Killer,
lets talk facts. in here , lets give a vote. just ask around how many of us support Hindraf n how many dont ( only for Indians ) If there are more MIC supporter or more people dont support Hindraf, i promise i will leave but if vice versa, can u promise to keep ur mouth shut n stop sending ur comments here? im willing to take this challenge. to rest of the people here. if u support Hindraf, just type i support hindraf. if not just type i dont support hindraf.

thanks

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Indian_blood says:

i support Hindraf

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Killer says:

Sylvankumar…

Excellent advice,bravo !

As for the Chinese person’s letter, it has good advices though some of the details are
incorrect.

HINDRAF supporters, definitely changing our govt and leaders will change our fortune…for WORSE ! To improve ourselves we need to change our mindset first. You can vote the Opposition but I can tell us that at the very best you can only hope to reduce BN’s 2/3 majority. Also remember that the Opposition’s main objective is meritocracy. Do you think Indians will stand a chance against Chinese in a level playing field ?

Indian Blood :

This statement is highly insulting to our Chinese brothers and sisters – it is a racist statement. Please do not accuse the Chinese of being cowards. The bravery of the Chinese had been many times demonstarted in the history not only in China but also in Malaysia (there are more Chinese recipients of SP and PGB bravery awards than Indians).

The Chinese have no time for stupid Kollywood dramas ala Vijayakanth’s movies. They are a lot smarter than us that’s why they are able to achieve success without resorting to stunts like this and NOT because they are cowards.

As for the support for HINDRAF you can do whatever you like, please go ahead. In any case I will continue to speak up and you have no right to stop me.

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Indian_blood says:

MP: edited.

Killer,

From the starting i see u only talk bout movies and the movie stars..look like the influence of it are more on u than others. i never insult anyone or hurt anyone more than what u doing, insulting ur own race.

anyway, me too have no time for MIC **** like u. take care. always be a loyal *** ok, bye

Posted on January 9th, 2008

sylvankumar says:

Dear Bro Indian,

Is true what you say? If we want to change thing it need begins with us

Yes, the young generation they one must change their mindset, our society shouldn’t not depend from individual or politician group

Correct me if it wrong…. Where all our money going I mean the temple money because it is our money

I am not against the GOD but logical talking it is our prays that reach to the GOD not our money for example how much that one person will spend in one year for the prays don’t forget some special prays which cost a lot of money.

If we can control the cash flow and bring a concept where temple need adopted Tamil school and help the school with financial for example 20 temple adopted one Tamil poor school of cos we make the changes .

Like the Perumal temple at Klang which call the South-east Asia Triputiee Kuil and if you see at opposite of the temple where Chinese school which 5 storey high with indoor swinging pool.

You see brother this what I mean … we want make sure that our money are better use to us back.

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Umanan says:

Some of you are completely flat in your support, either by insisting “A is great regardless”, or “B is worst regardless”..when in actual fact, statistics play a greater role and none could be spared from this, including Hindraf, govt., MIC etc..
Hindraf could possibly be wrong in some of their claims, then it’s the govt.’s obligation to make them more transparent for the ppl to understand better.
It’s not that MIC has done nothing, of course to certain extent we’ve to agree that without MIC, things wd have been more difficult…but that’s the same with UMNO/MCA… However, it’s incorrect to put this as an excuse for irregularities such as Maika shares handling etc.
We often hear “we r fighting for this/that” from MIC chief when some of those things shd have been clarified/gazetted long back..
It’s not wrong for ppl to question MIC and it’s chief on their credibility…same applies to the questions raised to Hindraf..
Key thing is that one shd not blindly support or in-against of any arguments just like that…it’s more like the “breaking the ranks” term used in Parliament for u to always go against your conscience.
Those againsting Hindraf completely, don’t u see a single point at all from them that makes sense?…and those who hate MIC/govt…dun’t you see any good thing at all in them..
I believe govt. has done reasonably great things for Malaysians as a whole, statistically they may be missing some here and there…but the situation could worsen after Badawi era…..one of the worries Hindraf has posted on Indians future..

BTW, i dun have the data..maybe one of you has that..it was reported few years back that one straightA Indian student failed to get medicine seat in local uni and he was completely stunned..until badawi intervened if not mistaken and he got in eventually….such situations shd not arise as there shd have been a right process to handle things correctly…not sure if this is the case one of u mentioned earlier in the blog.

I’m not sure how worse Indians’ situation into university can become with govt.’s or opposition’s Meritocracy system. As long as it’s a true meritocracy system, we’ll have to accept that..

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Najib Razak says:

Killer!!,
Interested in becoming a phantom voter for the coming elections?? Logon to http://daftarj.spr.gov.my/
Being a phantom voter have advantages, here’s the list :-
1. You can be younger, all phantom voters can vote at the age below 21
2. You can go to anywhere, anytime and vote a number of times with no restrictions
3. You are being “PAID” to vote
4. You will have priveledges and incentives after voting and if your division “WINS”
5. You will have a good time and good life for at least another 5 years before the following elections
6. You will qualify for “lucky draws” to tender for govt projects

but….

you still have to pay taxes kekekeke!!!

Bebas, Bersih & Keadilan….
Subject: Fw: Youngest eligible voters in Malaysia is here !!!!!!

http://daftarj.spr.gov.my/

Check these IC below and yourself,or your parents one;
if you want to know how BN and their component parties win.

IC: 991214740101
IC: 910815750017
IC: 981231081137

funny???????????????????????
how can this happened?
PLEASE SEE THE TRICK ON HOW BARISAN NASIONAL WIN IN EVERY
ELECTIONS!!!!
Try it, its so funny!! Malaysia must have some of the youngest
eligible voters ever!! Can the election commission explain?? All the
promises of clean and fair election, who will ever believe.
I told you BN is not going to just sit there and lose their piece of
cake… You see the Hishamudin even dare to ask Gerakan to get out from
BN
at this point in time, there must have something which they think they
will
sure win. Let’s forward this as many people as possible at least to open
people’s eye to let them know how good our B.N. (Barang Naik) (BN)
government is ….!

Hey what the hell is this? the IC number provided here are the
people who were born after 1991 in which their ages are 8 year old, 16
year
old and 9 year old, how is this happening?

I checked on the website and their names are registered as eligible
voters. Whats is happening? I am totally confused….

Even the election commission is a fraud, then what the hell..

CLICK HERE & Check here

http://daftarj.spr.gov.my/

Check these IC below and yourself,or your parents one;
if you want to know how BN and their component parties win.

IC: 991214740101
IC: 910815750017
IC: 981231081137

Enter these I.Cs & you will be SHOCKED to find that these young kids
are registered as VOTERS !

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Umanan says:

Najib Razak, what a finding, thanks for enlightening ppl with this info…
Yes, it’s shocking but not surprising..as ppl wd have anticipated such things to happen….
So, not sure who’s supposed to be responsible for this irregularity?…dun be surprised if some claim it’s the work of opposition and SPR/it’s chief are not accountable for this..

Good data point even though it’s not related to Indians directly..

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Killer says:

Dear YAB Datuk Seri Najib

What do expect me to do ? My name ,unfortunately, is not Abdullah Badawi.

In any case, this forum is not meant to discuss national political issues but Indian related matters. I am sure that you will find many other forums/blogs to discuss such “shocking” discovery.

Any way, I have no idea why these people are registered as voters. Funnily one of these voters was a Haji and that should provide a clue to you right ? Obviously looking at their old IC number given in the SPR’s web site, these people are not kids but older adults. I have no idea why they have such IC numbers but I am sure if these people are phantom voters, the Opposition would have seized this issue and organized yet another massive rally.

My guess is that there is an innocent explanantion for this. I will ask around with people who know such things. And I will share my finding.

However having been involved in a several elections as a (non-political)observor I can offer you the below information. Many people do not know this fact and they are being misled by the Opposition regarding the so called “phantom voters”.

In every election there are reps from both sides sitting in the voting centers. If there is a voter, he /she has to produce the IC which checked against the voters’ registeration before he/she allowed to vote. The reps easily can catch “fake” or “phantom” voters by monitoring the voters and the final result. The only thing the Opps so far managed to raise a stink about is the postal vote, which I agree can be manipulated, through our dear Opps yet to produce any evidence despite having access to these voting slips.

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

MOD: edited.

Killer
WHy you support MIC so much ???You have nothing better to do?

Posted on January 9th, 2008

Umanan says:

crazy nuke, it shd be understood by now that some cannot break the rank similar to members of Parliament regardless…if u remember that Sothinathan episode..

Posted on January 10th, 2008

Killer says:

Umanan

I like your balanced and sensible approach and respect you for that. I would agree with most of your points too. Just wish that more people would be as sensible and logical as you are.

Let me clarify some of those questions you had raised regarding the medical student. There are many seminars held by many praise-worthy groups such as the SMC and others for those students applying for universities after their exams. I would strongly suggest Indian students attend this seminar before they apply.

Applying for a university is not a straightforward matter and you need to strategize it well. You must understand the competition and criteria for each of the courses and your own result before you select the right course. There is no point you apply for medicine when you only have 5Bs for example. This is what I call as plain stupid. Even during my time getting a place to pursue medicine was minimum of 4As and 1B for Indians and I think it was 5As for the Chinese. Another thing with Malaysian public universities is that the priority is given for those from lower income and urban areas. So students with the same result but with poorer background tend outdo the ones from rich, urban families.

I don’t remember any Indians getting 5As fail to land a place in Uni but I do know some Chinese didn’t. But you need to read such news items carefully as there is so much disinformation floating around. Usually what happens is some joker with 3 or 4As with 1 or 2Cs will apply and when get rejected will make a big issue out of it. Normally those people will be offered another course, it is not that they were totally fail to land a place. I can tell you with 100% certainty is that no Indians with 5As will fail to get a medical seat unless there are some serious underlying issues.

You see the dilemma we face is that we are not ready for meritocracy despite our claims to the contrary. If the Uni places are based on merits, we will have even lesser Indians. For us we still need the quota system but we need to work behind the scene like MIC otherwise the Chinese will get upset if they come to know. For all that BS that Lim Kit Siang says about helping Indians, he will be the first to jump and protest if we Indians are to be allocated special quota.

Posted on January 10th, 2008

Killer says:

Folks

I m not a member of any political party and I especially uncomfortable being a part of race-based party. Unfortunately all political parties are race-based.

I am more interested in helping the poor and disadvanted people doesn’t matter which race they are from. But most of my social work has been for Indians. I have been doing this for many many years and I know what is the reality of the socio-economic situation of the Indians and other races.

I know exactly who had been contributing positively and who had been just talking.

I am not a MIC supporter nor a member but by killing MIC the Indian community has nothing to gain but a lot to lose. It doesn’t matter who is helping the community, we should support and applaud them. But this negative habit of undermining MIC and Samy Vellu will only affect Indians.

Perhaps someone can tell me who has contributed more than MIC/SV to the Indian community ? People keep harping about MIC’s failures and their so-called betrayal but no one seems to be talking specifics.

Would anyone or HINDRAF supporters here care to debate with me on this matter ? Anyone who can offer proof on how Samy Vellu sold off Indians’ right to UMNO ? Any takers ? Anyone with guts to take on me ?

Posted on January 10th, 2008

Indian_Blood says:

MP: edited.

Crazy Nuke,

this killer fella is brought up with MIC milk. thats y he is supporting them so much. leave him la fren. ****edited****

Posted on January 10th, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

Killer,

Take on you for what. You talking that you did so much for indians. MIS did do something but … example if the gov give RM 5, samy will take 3 and the people under will take RM1 and give RM 1 to the people. Is this what you said MIC have done…oh yeah MIC have do lot of things like setting up funds for Indians, setting up unit trust for indians. Why can’t MIC do like other races does…setting up their own fund to help their people…coz all the money will be eaten b y Samy son Velpari ah? Iif people ask abt it.. they will kill them and close the case..because samy is the only Full minister in the cabinet for indians. Bbull shit killer…you are talking bullshit…

Posted on January 10th, 2008

Umanan says:

Hi, agreed that with pure meritocracy, Chinese will be the winners as that’s what the STPM’s reality is, but dun quite think Indians wd lose more compared to the current situation we’re in. It’ll be more of Chinese replacing the Bumis…as for the Indians they will feel more confident getting into Form6 that great results will get them place. That confidence is not there today bcoz entry criteria is a bit grey and parents dun quite encourage Form6.

MIC is the only party available that could help Indians in various sectors, so they’d surely be in the lead regardless as there’s possibly no comparing element available. Whether what they’ve done so far is sufficient/justified is another different chapter.. Could someone else other than the current MIC chief have done better…probably yes&no but not debatable bcoz that someone is NA or will not be made available that soon….
However, our MIC chief is not very very bad afterall…he holds on to the pressure and yet gets his views passed/discussed and succeeded to certain extent..We’ve to remember too that’s it’s one person against many in the cabinet…so it’ll be good as long as critical/non-individual items such as temples/education is amicably resolved…
Indians in general hv to be self-sufficient, except for the hard core poor where MICs help cld be critical.

Posted on January 11th, 2008

Killer says:

Umanan

It is purely academic if there will be more Indians will be accepted into the public uni if the system is purely meritocracy. You could be right, but in my opinion we will lose out more. The reason is simple. You see most of the best bumis are sent overseas and that’s why we don’t see Malays in the Form 6 or public unis. If this were to stop (sending the brightest bumis overseas), then we will be bigger losers as we need to compete with the best of bumis for local public uni places.

It is NOT true that good Indians student can’t gain admission into local unis.I am very sure that most Indian students will get a public uni place (unlike the Chinese). The only problem is getting the course they wanted. You don’t have to believe me on this but talk to those Indian organisations involved in educations such as SMC to understand the real situation.

Indians certainly need help from the govt but we need to be realistic on the country’s socioeconomic and political situation. We also need to understand that any effort to challenge the NEP and the Malay special rights will never get anywhere. What we need is some specific help from the govt. We are proud and capable people and can stand on our own, unlike the bumis who need subsidies and various kind of help to support them.

What we need is simple really.

1. The community to be united. This means the more successful members or the society help the poorer segment. This is where we lag severely and this is how the Chinese have succeeded while we failed.

2. Focus on education. Channel our efforts and money into education. Make education our No 1 priority.

3. Reduce the pre-occupation with cinema and temples : I am a Hindu and my knowledge of the religion is certainly better than 90 % of the Malaysian Hindus. But I don’t get carried away in my efforts to be a pious person. It really surprises me how much effort and money that our community puts into the religion and temples. Most of our practices today are in fact against the teaching of Hinduism and centers on cultural than religion. I also have to say this…Tamil movies are RUBBISH and they are the poison that killing our youths. Don’t believe me ? Please talk to any teachers.

4. Special assistance from govt :
– Increase in intake of govt servants (Chinese quota give to Indians as they are not interested)
– All Tamil schools fully aided
– Special Fund for Loans to Indian businessmen
– Class F contracts to Indian businessman (8%) – this is tough, but we can try
– Increased Uni places to Indians (min 8%)

Posted on January 13th, 2008

Killer says:

Crazy Nuke

I am ignoring your ramblings…

Posted on January 13th, 2008

Indian_Blood says:

MP:edited.

A bird’s nature to chirp,
A snake’s nature to hiss,
A dog’s nature to bark,
Killer’s nature to bark,too

To me, killer is drinking their milk. poisoned milk. Poisoned by MIC. reform from human to a ***. Killer become barker.

Posted on January 13th, 2008

jebat2007 says:

Dear Killer just ignore Crazy Nuke, he just like any others typical Hindraf supporters. Baseless accussation, not specific and lack of evidence. I’ve been participating in debate with so called Hindraf supporters here, they just build their arguments based on Hindraf baseless claims.

What you have done, similar to what many Malays, Chinese are already doing.

Cheers

Posted on January 14th, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

MP: edited.

Jebat2007 and Killer,

You guys are just afraid to talk and slam the Hindraf supporters with such comments. You guys are trying to say that temple can be demolish and Indians can be put a side for Gov job!!!! is a good thing!!! My friend have attended a Gov interview which the Malay’s are 99 % for tourisim no idea what pos…and the question that they ask are 100 % on malay based which there was no Chinese or Indian culture question!!! Is this what you called democracy? No this is what you call social separation!

Jebat2007 do you know history of Melayu? Do you know where are you from ? If you don’t please don’t try to act smart by telling i am typical!!Please get lost!!

Killer just keep ignore me but i will always tell what i feel about what you going to talk to the other blogger!!!

Posted on January 14th, 2008

Indian says:

MP: edited.

Dear Indian_blood

thanks for your answer earlier.. Indians usually compare themselves with tigers n lions bcos of the brave and daring character of these animals. yes ..it is the ans.. Thanks..

Again,

to you bro and other true indians…

do not reply your comment to this (edited) KILLER where he only think that he great always..

Yes,

he is stupid b’coz every time his reply contained a granfather story without and concrete proove.

I’M REALLY SUPPORT HINDRAF…

pls vote…

Posted on January 20th, 2008

Metal says:

MP: edited.

jebat2007

i agreed to crazy nuke.if you don’t know the history of malay or any other race,pls get lost..

1st of all,pls refer the actuall history of jebat before you talking too much..

as i told that (edited) killer to do some revision on the history rather reply like dumb.

dear Indian_blood and many more tru indians,

do not reply to this (edited) as they are great talker.

no matter what..They cannot stop us from supporting hindraf and any other equal rights demonst until we success.

support this if i’m right..

Posted on January 20th, 2008

AK47 says:

MP: edited.

hey killer and Abang JEBAT 2007.. korang ni cakap mcm **** lah… dont talk big about your community lah.. korang teguh sebab dapat semua hak utama lah apa yg kita dapat selama 50 tahun merdeka.. lu cakap lah.. kalau boleh list down them.. jangan sekadar keluarkan kata kata sahaja..

for killer.. i think you have no BALLS to say as a GUY cos i dont think you dont have the guts lah.. even i saw woman and gals came for the BIG GAthering on the 25NOV but i think you must be still sleepin (edited). WAKe up lah man.. we are be treated like SHIT and you still can smile about it uh..

For those INDIAN who out there support HINDRAF hands up to plp.. we are the brave one who can make some changes for the next generation.. any one who care, dare and brave is welcome to join us..

Special message for those (edited) you can keep ur mouth shut atleast do that lah and watch us.. dont go talk bad..or gossip we are doing this for our own good Y cant you see that…

MAY GOD BLESS EVER INDIAN ON EARTH (AUM)

roger and ouT..

Posted on January 20th, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

Dudezzz i guess Killer and Jebat2007 have stop visiting this blog as they have no more ammo to fire us back!!! Hidup Hindraf… i was suprise to see POnggal was being mention and put in the front page of papers… it’s a political thing to make indians feel better… don’t fall for it.. they just making us more stupit by giving public hliday for KL which they should been do it 50 years ago………..crazy BN….

Posted on January 21st, 2008

pablo says:

MP: Its something like “Pay it Forward” or can be “get-rich” scheme. Well, I would love to be millionaire, but why not donate it to a better purpose – education, health, housing, environment etc?

2 million indians…each indian donate to poobalan rm1..he is millionaire by next month…and then followed by umana…by doing this one year u can cretae 12 indian millionaires..this is good idea or no?

Posted on January 22nd, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

After 25 years of MIC lead indians and failed to fight to declare thaipusam holiday for KL finally done by HINDRAF!!!! And we have bunch of losers like Jebat and Killer talking bad about HINDRAF!!! How come suddenly Ponggal become a big event in malaysia and Holiday declared for KL on Thaipusam!!!! This is political and pure BN way to pancing undi!!!! Pity MIC and UMNO!!!!

Posted on January 22nd, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

correction it should be 28 years lead by MIC(tenga SamyVELLLOWWWWW) and can’ get a holiday for KL on thaipusam hapen overnight!!!! So Gov can do anything to make the changes!!!this show the Makkal Sakti!!!!

Posted on January 22nd, 2008

INDIAN says:

DEAR ALL INDIAN’s

true,

like what our blood crazynuke said is true,since we still have a loser like jebat and killer,this BN gov will keep on bull shitting us,

wake all except killer and jebat which they won’t..

“valge makkal sakthi”

Posted on January 22nd, 2008

Killer says:

Crazy Nuke,

What’s your point ? You don’t want the additional holidays ? When the govt don’t do, you say Indians are margainalised, and when do something you say it is “pancing undi”….bro..make up your mind.

BTW, I don’t remember HINDRAF making any demands about Thaipusam holidays. If if they did, it is the MIC who got it right ?

Ponggal and Thaipusam has always been a big deal in Malaysia for Indians, for reasons that escapes me. But that doesn’t mean that they are unimportant, there are a lot of my friends who take these 2 days very seriously.

Otherwise we won’t have holidays for Thaipusam in some of the states right ?

Posted on January 22nd, 2008

INDIAN says:

MP: edited coz i didnt like the sound of it.

as wat crazy nuke…

gov took 25yrs to consider abt this public holiday.. the funny part is they will consider for MALACCA next year..

“nak pancing undi lah tu”.

dear HINDHU’s,

pls dont be loser like this (edited) killer and trust this empty promises,not only declaring public holiday’s but many more..

Get ready for the next upcoming gathering soon to show our unity again for our next generation..

dai killer (edited),

get updates on the next gathering also for you to hide (edited)

VALGE HINDHU

valge hindhu samayam..

Posted on January 24th, 2008

Crazy Nuke says:

MP: edited.

Killer,

Aren’t you suppose to ignore my ramblings??? as what you have said earlier??? Why you comment to what i have said? So sorry as i don’t wish to talk to (edited) you. Take care and please get lost (edited)!!!

Posted on January 24th, 2008

Killer says:

Crazy Nuke and Indian,

Sorry to disappoint you folks but I am not going anywhere.

Please show your “macho”ness in proving me wrong, instead of issuing pitiful threats.

Neither your words nor threats will make frighten me, that I promise you.

Have a good day.

Posted on January 24th, 2008

Killer says:

Dear AK47

Interesting choice of name…perhaps you had been rather influenced by all these Tamil movies….??

Anyway, let me give you a history lesson about the AK47. It is called as AK47 as it was introduced in 1947 ! So it is a very old design and in fact most countries have stopped using it. The fact that this is a weapon of choice for terrorists might interest you….You know the American Special Forces used to call it as the “spray and pray” gun…that should give an indication on its accuracy…..

Anyway coming back to your points, well, turning up for that 25th Nov rally would not indicate guts but stupidity. Son’t talk about changing the fate of the community but ask yourself if YOU can change YOUR FATE first. The reason why Indians are backward is because their attitude. If everyone can change their attitude, then the community can progress automatically.

Don’t question my guts or commitment to the community, for what I have done in year the past year would probably more than what most Malaysians Indians done in their whole life. I am sorry I can’t tell you the details, for obvious reasons. So I got have nothing to answer to your, my community or the God himself.

Don’t think you have done something great to the community by taking the street, in fact you have done a great disservice. Nothing will change even if the govt going to give bumiputra status if you don’t change your attitude.

Posted on January 24th, 2008

INDIAN says:

MP: edited.

killer,

you are the person who GREAT TALKER.

i feel that no point i’m replying your comment because, AGAIN you try to show that you are the only great among others..

maybe you done a best for the indian but yet you not tell..
Yes,
ppl who done something good shld not teel the details,

but what the hell you know beside HINDRAF take us to the street protest…

i don’t want to tell a story before the 25nov because i believe that no point explaining to the person like you(who great in talk only).

Remenber,

you can influence anybody here by prooving what this protest is wrong by getting even a vote.. then i admit you ave a fact and we are wrong.

(edited)

HIDUP HINDRAF

Posted on January 25th, 2008

sara says:

HI Brothers and Sistser,

Yes true, Samy is a virus. If we let him in the community the virus (samy) will destroy TAMIL people. Then all us need to stand goverment corridor as a burger!!!…..SO never let him talk about out HINDRAF COMMUNITY. we are the best. He must settle his own family problems. I think he cannot settle of his own problems also…don’t know how he going to solve our problems…..????

Posted on January 25th, 2008

sara says:

If a dog bark to te sun, the dog will die soon. SO if samy bark to HINDRAF he will die soon…..but dog is thankful animal, samy is like pig in shit…

Posted on January 25th, 2008

Kamban says:

Achivement list of Hindraf’s Nov25 rally
1. Malaysian Indians get united in mass under HINDRAF umbrella.
2. PM want to setup the Hotline to handle problems faced by the ethnic Indians on NOV 30 2007
3. very first special meeting between Indian non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi .All the NGO’s of Indians are given chance to raise the Indians comunity problem to PM on 14 DEC 2007
4. Kulim ( 1 of the estate’s school ) received proper water supply (News published in ‘Makkal Osai’ newspaper).
5. Recently all the Indian police officer got after their’s long waiting promotion on Dec 2007 especially in Penang state
6. S’gor MB had meeting with temple committe to sort out temples’ registeration and stopped demolishing temples.
7. Education minister start ‘turun padang’ especially for Tamil schools
8. Very miracle (no or 0 crime among Indians nowadays and big losses for government coz can’t charge them $ whr it is an extra income for Gomen (no statistics collected at this point of time)
9. More and more prayers and spiritual events going on nationwide
10. For the first time S’gor realized that ~40k Indians dont have birth cert and a special committe would be setup to handle this. (STAR 21stJan)
11. Public holiday declared for Federal on Thaipusam though was requested for decades
12. MIC said will give opportunity for many more youngsters to stand for coming election
13.For the first time a PM officiates Ponggal vizha.
….more to come…

All happened within 2months . Wht SemiValue doing for 29years?!!!

Posted on January 27th, 2008

Najib Razak says:

I agree wif Hindraf on the plight of Hindus and Indians in Malaysia. Forget bout Jebat and Killer, they are cronies of UMNO. Although i am also a bumiputra n a born malaysian wif malay blood, but i disagree wif the cronies from UMNO that other races should be marginalized. We Malaysians are falling behind each day to other nations in Asia in terms of this NEP and also NEP do not really benefit malays or bumiputra but to UMNO cronies. I can tell you that most malays to not get any govt projects from UMNO except or unless you become a dog to the UMNO leaders. Most malays remain poor that’s why there’s protest by even bumiputras on the street for e.g. Bersih which protest up to 40,000 people mostly malays. As you see, not only non-bumis are marginalized by BN/UMNO but also the poor malays are marginalized that’s why there’s protest everywhere by malays and bumiputras – only yesterday there’s bout 10,000 malays in KLCC under PROTES protesting of inflation and barang naik – BN = Barang Naik. I was there and the bloody polis under UMNO detained 56 people where 50 over people is malays. So I can say our enemy is actually the corrupted govt not the rakyat. So Jebat/Killer please acknowledge that you are not the only pro-UMNO that is supporting the govt. To support the govt means to support corruption. Let’s remove the current govt wif our votes on the next election and get a new govt. It is time to change the whole govt coz our nation called Malaysia is falling behind even to some african countries in terms of economic development. And I as a graduate malay with a Doctorate can’t see how our current govt is going to help the poor and also the nation….if our govt cannot even solve our flood problems for so many years – how can they concentrate on those stupid corridors development, even the current MSC corridor and Putrajaya corridor and cyberjaya corridor is a waste…if Killer/Jebat were to drive around Cyberjaya and Putrajaya you may notice how quiet and slow this place is…almost like a dead town/city. Do Killer/Jebat really think BN/UMNO can develop more corridors when the existing corridors are abandon??? Even DayaBumi is very empty and a lot of vacant space available and not to mentioned KLCC which is 60% empty. So what the heck if we have northern corridor, Eastern corridor or southern corridor like Iskandar Development region is really over stated when our govt cannot even solve our flood problems….So Jebat/Killer do you still want to vote for Barisan National??? If our govt is really sincere about helping the rakyat, they should start wif donating some food to the poor indians and also poor chinese. I have never seen Badawi or even Mahathir donate anything to the non-bumis. It is really crazy man…..even the foreigners from otherr countries donates food to the poor malaysians but not our govt. If Killer/Jebat still have some humanity and common sense, please do not support our govt anymore…..do you contribute taxes and EPF to barisan national huh Jebat/killer??? Have you ever ask where did you EPF and Taxes goto??? I dun think so lar Jebat/Killer, you just contribute like slave as other Malaysians are doing rite?? Do you really know why Malaysia is behind Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea and Singapore in terms of economic development or why Malaysia is falling behind India and China in terms of Economic Development and Technology??? Maybe Jebat/Killer would like to debate why our country is falling behind other asean countries instead of wasting time your time debating Hindraf – I think Hindraf/Bersih/Protes/Keadilan exist because of corruption by our govt. Look why Jebat/Killer never ever mentioned bout Allatuya the Mongolian murder or Lingam the corrupted lawyer or some of Jebat/Killer hard earned tax/EPF money going to our Angkasawan 10 days space holiday?? Perhaps Killer/Jebat would like to debate on Angkasawan the Space Tourist???

Posted on January 28th, 2008

HumanRace says:

Hi ,
Killer needs some lesson about history. He seems like one smart alec telling others stupid. He seems reflecting his stupidity. He seems knowing about AK47 , as if it is like a rocket science to understand. With the internet , you can find and learn anything. What is so special about knowing AK47. One character like to scorn others. For any civilization to grow, protest and demonstration is vital , as it works like a gauge for check and balance. Protest and demonstration takes place everywhere and everytime. Russia had their time when the czars were overthrown, melaka had her part , singapore , england , and many other countries. It is the sign of maturity.. of the people. It is a sign of development ; development of administration system . Look at USA, who once had their civil war.. I dont think anyone liked the war.. They are no longer parrots…only dumbs ,,, stay quite.. for all
I strongly support what HINDRAF did. They walked peacefully (opposed to what the Government claim) and get their message across successfully to government and also the world.

Posted on January 29th, 2008

Killer says:

Corrected version…

HumanRace

Thanks for your kind words….

Perhaps you need a history lesson too based on your writing.

Protest and demostration is not vital for progress, do not make such sweeping statements without a shred of evidence or facts. Sometimes they do bring progress and sometimes they bring disasaters too. It is not a prerequisite for progress nor always a reflection of maturity.

I might have falled asleep during my history lesson but perhaps you could be kind enough to tell me about the demonstrations that brought progress in Melaka and Singapore.

As for the American Civil War, please get your facts right (you might want to use internet for that). Please find out the real cause of that war and refrain from making wrong statements.

It is your right to support HINDRAF and I can’t stop you neither do I want to (for morons tend to stick with their own kind). But i disagree that they were peaceful. They were violent and rowdy, not only in terms of action but also language. Please buy one of those VCDs sold by HINDRAF and watch these traitors behave.

Anyway good luck to you and HINDRAF, I can guarantee that they will fail. After the next General Election there will be no HNDRAF or their heroes.

Good day to you…

Posted on January 30th, 2008

Kamban says:

Killer ,
put aside Hindraf . Questions , how would you (a peace angel) would define the act of authority demolishing the temples last year ? Importantly , as you criticize Hindraf and Indians , did you by any mean criticized the authorities for that ?
Again put aside Hindraf , would you (a daring Leader) face Gomen leaders to demand why such marginalization in your on peace way ?

I’ve seen few comments across blogs , Indian punch another Indian (verbally) but when comes to Gomen/forces/authority they will end up hiding under table .

Having “ball”pen isn’t enough . Men need to have “balls” too .

Posted on January 30th, 2008

Killer says:

Dear Kamban

It is getting rather tiringsome explaining the issue again and again. Anyway I do it one more time.

It is clear that you are one of those people who had been brainwashed by HINDRAF people on this issue. The truth fact is that no legal temples have been demolished, only the illegal ones. I certainly do not condone demolishing temples but we need to put ourselves in the authorities shoes too. While they should have been more sensitive in handling such matters, the bigger fault lies with us.

As I had said we Hindus might lack many things in Malaysia but certainly not temples. We have around 530 Tamil schools but have more than 25,000 temples. This makes a mockery of the community.

For example in the case of the Malacca temple, due to some internal conflicts one of the temple committe member broke away and opened another temple nearby. And then he expanded it and created some much issue and the mini-temple was located right next to the houses of Muslims and Chinese. Not only the temple had no licence but the temple keeper also provoked other races too with all kind of unhealthy practices that nothing to do with Hinduism. This is what finally led to the temple’s demolishment. In fact neither MIC nor MHS had any objections as the temple had no justification to exist.

Now to the Padang Jawa temple that led to all kind of problems. Both the temple and surau was asked to be moved for last 3 years. The developer gave land and money to both. The developed even obtained a court order to evict the squatters, temple and surau.

Surau was relocated but the Indians refused to move. The money (several tens of thousand) somehow mysteriously went missing. The new temple committed asked for more money and when the developer refused, the committee started to cause problems. So you tell me, what choice the developer / authorities have ? They had been trying for 3 years and even have High Court’s order. Do you think the temple committee’s action is fair ? Don’t you think the temple committee and the HINDRAF people who refused move are the actual culprit and the one really responsible for the temple demolishment ?

This is the same case for every temple demolishment case…it is our people that had been giving problem.

Posted on January 31st, 2008