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Aug 13 2008

Rare interview with Subashini



Malaysiakini published a telephone and face-to-face interview with R , the wife of the convert who also converted their eldest son and planned to convert the second son. She denies reports about her converting, saying that someone pretended to be her and called Malaysiakini via handphone and also sent email - both which belong to her!

Anyway, if she converts for the sake of the children, no one can stop it. Who wants to be separated from their kids? However, it will be a big insult for Islam for creating a situation that forces a mother to convert.

By the way, I’m curious that Saravanan still keeps his name which signifies Lord Muruga. Is it not heresy?

The rest of the interview below:

Following a widely-publicised and emotionally-charged legal battle which had stretched for two years, R has finally decided to break her silence albeit with a little mystery thrown into the concoction.

The Hindu wife of a Muslim convert spoke to Malaysiakini yesterday, her first interview with the media since going to court over her marriage and custody of her children.

For safety reasons, had kept a low profile despite her highly publicised case as issues pertaining to religion are considered controversial and sensitive in this country.

The courtroom drama started when her husband T Saravanan, a businessman, converted to Islam in May 2006 along with their eldest son, Dharvin Joshua, aged 5.

Saravanan, who assumed the name Muhammad Shafi Saravanan Abdullah, then launched proceedings in the Syariah Court for a divorce as well as custody of their second son, Sharvin, 3.

fought her case right up to the land’s highest court late last year.

Her case was however thrown out on technical grounds, despite having secured a minor victory in the landmark judgment.

Her meeting with Malaysiakini yesterday came amid mysterious phone calls and an email from a woman who had identified herself as ‘’.

But the ‘real’ denied making calls or sent out an email on the matter.

In a telephone conversation with Malaysiakini on Monday, the ‘other’ revealed that she had patched up with her husband and could now visit her eldest son on a regular basis.

She also stated that she intended to convert to Islam soon so that the family could be together once again, adding that she would instruct her lawyers to withdraw all of her court actions.

The telephone conversation was later followed by an email, furnishing more details.

In her email, the ‘other’ said she had been in contact with her husband five months ago and was “happy at the moment” that she could be with her two sons and her husband.

“Can anybody be in my shoes and describe how happy I am? Or at least tell me, can money or fame bring you happiness?

“I carried both my sons for nine months and how can I just let anyone take away my babies from me? They are the only priceless wealth that I have and will have forever.

“My prayers and support from everyone have showed me a result but it depends how some individuals accept this but as for me, I’m honest and clear with my decision.

“I have built back my palace and I wouldn’t want it to be demolished,” read the email.

However, when met at her lawyer K Shanmuga’s office in Kuala Lumpur yesterday, the ‘real’ denied that she had telephoned Malaysiakini or sent the email.

But there was another twist.

The ‘real’ confirmed that the phone number and email address used by the ‘other’ were indeed hers.

The phone number was a newly registered mobile number but she had stopped using the email account, which was registered under her second son’s name.

“This email was definitely not from me,” responded when shown a copy of the message.

Clad in a pink baju kurung (Malay traditional attire) and wearing a red pottu (Hindu marking) on her forehead, the 30-year-old company secretary was in the dark as to who would have impersonated her.

“I don’t have (Malaysiakini’s) number, I don’t know who to contact, I don’t have Malaysiakini’s email address.

“I don’t know who is using my name. I don’t know who (did it), I don’t want to point (fingers) at anyone,” she said.

At the brief meeting, - who declined to be photograped - also refused to speak on the record over the current status of her marriage and her children.

“Not at the moment,” she replied with a smile when asked about this.

Later, her lawyer Shanmuga (left) said he had not received any instruction from his client to withdraw the legal actions.

“The Shah Alam High Court is scheduled to hear (’s) application for leave to quash the of (eldest son) Dharvin on Aug 21,” said the lawyer.

“The Attorney-General’s Chambers is objecting to the application, stating that the applicant has to go to a syariah court,” he added.

The matter would be heard before judicial commissioner Mariana Yahya.

To another question, the lawyer said he had not received any instruction from to file a fresh application for divorce in the civil court after a similar application was ruled “premature and invalid” by the Federal Court in its landmark ruling last year.

At the time, the court rejected ’s divorce petition - which sought maintenance and custody of her children - on technical grounds over the date of her petition which was within three months of her husband’s date.

According to the law, the petition should be filed three months after the date but ’s application was filed about two weeks before the three-month period expired. The divorce petition was thus deemed null and void.

Nevertheless, she could file a fresh petition to seek the divorce.

In the same judgment, secured a minor victory as the Federal Court ruled that the syariah courts cannot dissolve a civil marriage.

The highest court ruled, in a 2-1 decision, that Saravanan could seek remedies in the syariah courts but cannot compel to do the same because she was a non-Muslim.

However, the court did not make clear the issue concerning the custody of the children as it also ruled that both the husband and wife could initiate custody proceedings in their respective jurisdictions.

Other articles related to and problem can be searched in this blog.

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Aug 11 2008

Update of forum attack by thugs (3)



Samy Vellu gave his response on the forum fiasco. He agrees that the forum should be held indoors and in private:

“There should be a more sensible approach to settle the issue and it should not be debated in public.”Such issues should be discussed behind closed doors where Muslims and non-Muslims can raise their grievances. The public forum on Saturday did not benefit any party and angered certain groups.”

He also mentioned that the subject of was discussed at the last BN supreme council meeting while he was a minister (that’s at least 6 months ago). Prime Minister gave assurance to find a solution that will not hurt both parties. Election time, so anything goes.

Thus, Samy Vellu earns the distinction for being the first (and only?) non-Muslim leader who disagrees with the public forum being organised. Well done.

Utusan meanwhile carried calls for ISA (from certain party members) to be imposed on the forum organisers. The reports sounded one-sided since only one group people gave their views.

More amazing is the revelation by Ahmad Zahid that a civil-syariah joint committee being established under Prime Minister’s Department. He said that discussions have been made with Minister Zaid Ibrahim. The committee will focus on divorce, child custody, wealth allocation, etc. Now, the discussion for such cases is to be done out of court between the civil lawyer and syariah lawyer. The discussion CANNOT be revealed in public to avoid misunderstanding and public debate.

Read part 1 and 2.

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Aug 09 2008

Police side with forum protestors



I think it can’t get anymore clearer than this. Everywhere else, its the protesters who are bashed up, arrested, chased after and shot with tear gas/water cannon. I thought the same rule applies for all. But we have seen that people like Khairy get special treatment.

Today, the police asked the forum to end early instead of getting rid of the protestors. Now, I’m not telling the police to treat the protesters like how they treated the HINDRAF rally attendees. Let people , but in an orderly manner. If anyone turns phyiscal, arrest them. But it is very embarassing to read that police asked the forum to end early! Worse still, only yesterday this guys made a joke that they will “not hesitate to take action if anyone gathered at or near the Bar Council because of its forum on to Islam”.

Dang Wangi OCPD Asst Comm Zulkarnain Abdul Rahman said police would be on full alert and advised people not to hold gatherings there. He said this was meant for those who were against the forum and those who supported it. But look what happened today. These people can afford to put bored-looking policemen to relax at roadblocks but can’t control a measly crowd of 300.

Both Malaysiakini and Star have the story.

Among the 300 protestors are members of Muslim welfare organsation Perkida and Islamic party PAS, who shouted, “Hancur Bar Council” (Crush Bar Council), “Hidup Islam” (Long Live Islam) and “Batal forum” (Cancel the forum). They carried placards saying “Jangan cabar Islam” (Don’t challenge Islam) and “Bar Council, Don’t play with fire”.

Among the leaders seen in the crowd are PAS Youth chief Salahuddin Ayub. The protesters, many of whom came just before the forum began, later decided to sit down in front of the Bar Council building and vowed that they would not budge until the event had been cancelled. Some threatened to storm the building to physically stop the forum.

Due to the advice from police, the program ended at 10am, about one hour after it started.

A leader of the protesters - PKR Kulim-Bandar Baharu parliamentarian Zulkifli Noordin - declared the abrupt end of the forum as a victory
for them. By 10.40am, most of the protesters have dispersed.

Most embarassing is PKR and PAS are in it. What is DAP’s stand on this? And do you realise that MIC, MCA, Gerakan and PPP cowards don’t even dare to open their mouths. COWARDS. COWARDS. COWARDS. Definition for political parties in Malaysia. All these people know that they can’t say a thing or they will be roasted. They will come up with the usual “we will talk about this in our own way” crap. But 51 years also no solution, what more can you talk about? You can’t be that stupid or have low IQ, can you? There’s no political will to solve this inter-religious contentions. That’s the problem.

Now imagine if we, the makkal, against the criminal, seditious teacher in Teluk Panglima Garang. You think the police will be so kind? They’ll chase the people away, not close down the school. I dread to think of the day when church sermons or temple prayers are asked to be stopped because some people at the noise, smell, or traffic jam.

No wonder more and more Malaysians are considering migrating. Recently two of my friends expressed their intentions.

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