Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe by Email I made it a point to attend the gathering organised by HINDRAF (Hindu Rights Action Force) to hand over the 18-point memorandum produced from a forum held recently in KL. It was supposed to be at 10am today (Sunday August 12th) at the PM's residence in Putrajaya. Partly to see the support of the community and also to take some photos (view them at the end of the article.)
I reached the PM's residence at Precinct 10 at 9.20am only to find it very quite, just as it was supposed to be on a Sunday morning! Then it crossed my mind that the organisers possibly got confused with PM's residence and office. So, I rushed off to Dataran Putra. Reached it in 10 minutes time. There were a handful of people, probaby numbering around 50 only. They were gathered at the shady area between the mosque and PM's office. The organisers were using a hailer to get people to register themselves. There was a chartered bus dropping of some of the participants.
The weather was not hot due to the hazy conditions. As the clock ticked, the crowd began to swell. The dataran is a popular tourist destination, thus there were about 100 – 200 curious onlookers wondering what was going on. By 10.30am, the crowd could be easily about 500-600 people. The organisers began to hand out banners and posters to the crowd, and try to marshal them into position at the roundabout exit towards the PM's office. By this time, the police were alerted, and some of the crowd control officers began to line out outside the entrance to PM's office complex.
By 11am, the crowd has doubled to about 1200 people. There were rumours that the police had blocked the roads leading towards the dataran and some 10 bus are unable to reach the location.
The event proper started with a prayer, after which the organisers explained the purpose of the gathering today, which was to hand over the 18-point memorandum to PM. Unfortunately, as it was made known, the PM is away. This was followed by slogan chanting and singing of motivational songs. The media had a field day covering the event. I think few foreigners representing Al-Jazeera, and possibly BBC was there as well. Saw Nanban and MKini people too. There were also plainsclothes police mingling with the crowd, taking photos and video as well.
The organisers the explained that the crowd will march from the entrance of the PM's office and walk one round around the roundabout. Before beginning, the media was invited to take photos of the crowd with the PM's majestic office complex as the background.
The walk took about 30 minutes, by which the crowd has become about 1500 people. The roundabout were full of cars on both sides, which made the march slower. The crowd made their way around the roundabout and came full circle at the entrance to PM's office again. The crowd marched until they were about 15 metres from the gates, and separated by a row of police personnel. The crowd were then asked to sit on the pavement, while the organisers read out the details of the 18-point memorandum which included among others:
– tamil schools to be made full government-aided
– increase participation of senior government officials to 20% of the positions available
– allocate permits for taxi, lorries etc
– to allocate land for agriculture for indians
– to stop temple demolition
– to provide equal rights in all areas
– minimum wage of RM1000
– to provide proper housing for the poor.
– to help all poor families with racial barriers.
– to enact a minorities rights protection act.
– to initiate a royal commission on rights violation.
– to end special privileges.
– provide RM1million compensation for each dead person's family in the Kg Medan Massacre
I didn't not manage to catch all the points since the hailer was not powerful enough to reach the crowd. Copies of memorandum was being sold and quite a number bought them for RM5 each.
The organisers also highlighted that for the pass 50 years, no one had fought for the Indian communities’ rights. The politicians had failed the communities, thus it is up to the community to fight for itself. They also highlighted that for the last 200 years, Indians has toiled in rubber estate and railway tracks to develop the country, but in return only got displaced and rewarded with low-cost houses or longhouses, and pitiful amount of cash, compared with the FELDA schemes which receive millions in allocations. The talk on various discriminations went on for about 15 minutes.
While the talk was going on, the organisers were informed that the police will send an Indian policeman to receive the memorandum, but this was rejected by the organisers. They mentioned that they had already sent a letter to the PM informing about the gathering and since the PM had many assistants and political secretaries, he should have assigned one to be there. In the end, one of the secretaries, Hj Ahmad Yaakob came out accompanied by about 20 security officers and received the memorandum at about 12.30pm. Good thing he did, because it was getting cloudy and skies were turning dark. The organisers announced that they have asked for a meeting with the PM within a week before 31st August to discuss the memorandum. The crowd then dispersed as it started to rain.
Overall I think the police did not expect such a big crowd on a Sunday. It really made an impact as there were many media representative as well foreign and local tourists. The organisers could have provided maps or clarified about the venue so that a bigger crowd could have come. I think some were like me and went to PM's residence instead of the office. This kind of event should be organised regularly to build a stronger voice for the community. I was surprised with the crowd since my expectation was about 1000 people only, but the whole place was crowded. This will definitely make some of the political parties squirm in their seats.
The rakyat have realised that without making some noice or getting the media involved, nothing works. We have seen the protest in JB about increasing crime rates. We have seen people picketing on being cheated by property developers. We have seen many environmental issues being highlighted. So, I'm not surprised that we are going along the path of the developed countries who see public demonstation as a way of getting the governments' attention.
View the photos at Picasa
Update: More photos taken by organisers here and videos at YouTube and MKini too.
good article mr poobalan…pictures too look nice.
MP: Thanks! It was tiring to cover the event for nearly 3 hours. Now I can understand how all those reporters feel. luckily it was not hot!
Good initiative and good start.. hope we will get our justice ASAP. We need to continue this great effort… I will definitely support.
MP: Yes, kudos to the organisers and the participants. They have started the ball rolling and its up to the community to ensure its success.
Thank You Mr Poobalan, It is a great move, we have to start somewhere and we have started. WE have to keep doing this this until we get justice.
First of all we need to be united, which can be seen through the photos you posted.
Congratulation Indians, Go Go Go, we will definitely see some lights in the near future.
Remember : Enough is enough, we need a change for for altenative. Only then our existence will be felt.
EXECELLENT………MR.POOBALAN,
only the unity can change our situation in malaysia.
go ahead,i’m always support you…
MP: I’m not the one in need of support. The community needs you, Ramesan! Forget about going ahead. let’s go TOGETHER.
the media plays the role now…if they can highlight protest in JB about increasing crime rates, why never focus on this rally?? dun tell me is a gag order frm KSDN… the media like theStar have a hidden agenda…highlitghs chinese-based news only…Exp: HINDRAF have been protesting over temple demolition, Lawyr uthdaya kumar filed a suit against Msian gov but they only publish news about the chinese temple demolition at BM for a week till the TKM Abdul Rashd said he will look into the matter…
Syabas to organizer. It was very impressive that more than 1000 gathered. Also thank to you to let us know what happened at the spot. This is good information especially those in overseas.
It is just a begining and more need to come.
MP: Thanks for dropping by.
Great Job, I’m there to support this movement.
we all must stay united to feel our bightest future – Poruthethe Pothem
The Goverment must seriouly look for new consensus.
Valvom Valarvom.
Good Job. Im there to support all the way out.
Im proud that some one has the initiative to talk about it.
MP: I think more Malaysians should seize the moment and leap into the Internet to share their thoughts and also daily events. We can’t depend on the newspapers any more. The gathering at Putrajaya didn’t appear in the papers on Monday.
great job bro,although i’m not there,i could feel the heat.
U can make changes in indians life.Such gathering in future need to be done.
I’m sure the next gathering would be 5 time more than now.
i got no more hope with MIC or BN
Lets us fight for our rights.
MY vote for u.
RAM….
MP: Thanks bro. I was there just to show some support and also cover the event since mainstream media don’t really highlight our problems. Btw, I’m not standing for anything…so no need to vote for me 🙂
Hi Poobalan,
This kind of move is a good start.But then, how much difference a crowd of few hundreds can make? I think, this kinda of move should not just start and end there. Every indian in this country must be united to voice out our dissatisfaction to our PM.
The government is there to help us not only others. They’re elected not to own this country!It is sickening to see many things in our country which is happening is based on race. Have they forgotten teh sacrifices our forefathers done? Have they forgotten that we are paying our tax and just enjoying that!!!!!argh….
hmm…i will continue later..more comments later!
Great job my dearest Indians…
It’s time to wake up..
let’s voice together..
we born in Malaysia.. we are Malaysian.. we should have equal right for everything in Malaysia…
Jeh Malaysian Indians..
That was fantastic to really see my people
are really potent after a very looong nap.
Express what we feel without fear for what we are asking is our own meal not another man’s meal.So why fear to say your piece our forefathers achived many things including building every country we went never have we destroyed any and never allowed another to destroy us.So ask for our
RIGHTS IN ALL ORDERS OF MALAYSIAN WALKS.
Great Mr. Poobalan….
Thanks for Mr. Utaya… Atleast we have someone fight for our rights.
Good coverage bro.
Hopefully, this would give some impact on our current administrative officials to re-furbish their way of administrating this country…
Kudos to our community!
hello sir. Great action plan by indians.
just to let you know i have posted ur article on my blog site at rujjcoomarh.blogspot.com
hope you dont mind.
nandri.
MP: no prob. as long as you link back to my site 🙂
Good work, if we wants our rights and voice to be respected, than we need to be united!!Unity is the key of success!!
Dear All,
It is a good start and keep up the good work though I was not able to be part of it.
regards,
krishna
Good job! Finally! Let them hear our voice and the strength of our indian community.
shanti
Its great start but i feel sorry to you guys….
Will this make any changes? How many times NGO approaches our
stupidPM? Will this country PM entertain your memo (Indian Memo)?Hmmm i think their already thrown it into rubbish bin…
Why i am saying this because for PM they only concern parti (MIC) and Malaya’s for their election.
So my suggestions, rather going to see PM with huge crowd why do we go to MIC president house and ask him to resign? As you know 50 years already passed, this bloody MIC president didn’t care about Indian, he only care abt his family
(if can get more wives)and his followers.We shall thrown this fellow first then move to PM using MIC, then PM has no choice but to fulfill our condition.
I personally not support the way you guys meet PM, waste of time. If you guys want gather big crowd for future MIC and Indians then we will be there.
Think carefully before move please don’t waste your time and energy for this kind of movements.
NGO already send alots of memo send. none of it was revised..
Maybe most of you guys against my idea, i am not sure on that, but my first choice send memo through MIC is more relevant then NGO. I am not support current MIC. What i am asking is changing the MIC guys and their ideas.
If we can gather for the Indians future in front PM house why don’t we change the MIC first.
So lets….
Change MIC, Malaysian Indians future will change…….
Thank you
MP: When the people decide that any organisation is not fit to represent them any more, then the people have the right to choose another organisation or press for changes in the organisation. If more people attend such gatherings and belittle the representing party, then there will be bound to be some changes. However, do note that according to the recent Merdeka Centre survey, majority of Indians support the current PM. So, it is possible that such events does not make any difference to the government. Rather than changing MIC, why don’t we join a party that does not stick to any racial groups like Gerakan, IPF, DAP, PKR etc. We then can argue for common good – access to education, fair distribution of economic pie, etc.
Its interesting to note that some concerned individuals had indeed influenced quite a big crowd and initiated them towards this action which I believe is a catalyst for more daring voices in the future.
The religion of Islam beautifully lays the foundation for peace and equality but certain quarters have marred the very name of Islam itself by practising divide and rule policies. Their dream of isolating the indians from the mainstream social arena in Malaysia is highly degrading and I guess its far more worst than ethnic cleansing. You may change a thousand political parties that represent the indians, yet as long our attitude towards achieving a dynamic position in the society is not looked up or cared upon, that long we will remain downtrodden. We cannot always blame the others for our condition, though partially the political situation may have contributed towards the present indian condition. We should make effort to change, improvise our lifestyles, get involve in more economical aspects and most of all become self-reliant. Being self reliant is better and sets us towards greater independence. But, of course in the beginning the government’s active involvement is needed.
You people have done a good job in bringing to surface the emotional and mental anguish buried long within each Malaysians of Indian origins. Lets hope the government give us fair share of cake to fill our bellies without having to go on suffering anymore.
Valzgha Valamudan.
MP: Yeah, lets “hope” the government give us fair share of cake. Perhaps breaking some coconuts at the temple may help towards this 🙂
Its good start, but how will be the follow up….We need to get all Indians in Malaysia to realize their rights and awareness should be lighted up! Why always our request not be to entertained? because they not not see maximum crowd. Just think, If we have 500000 or 1000000 people gathered and voice out our problem will this government quite! It is hard to gather 1000000 people in Putrajaya in one time, we are gathered more than that every year in Batu Cave. If we can a solution we should work together! Plan for such big even and gather people from all over Malaysia to let this government see how frustrated we are in Malaysia!
We should get Datuk Samy out of the bench! Whats happening here. The only political voice we have is Samy, and what is he doing? Reformation is the way now.
MP: errr…its Dato’ Seri, not Datuk.
Vim, i am supporting you 100%. Lets do that first……
Look at our indian teenagers (recent incident raping women involving 12 years old boy) Where is our culture moving towards…..
I feel embrace looking at indian in Malaysia…. we are becoming bad to worst… becoming beggars… i am saying beggars actually because everytime we blame goverment…. can i ask you guys, do we need to tell goverment that ” hey goverment we are Indian here looking for your helps”… do we need this kind of situation???? Goverment must release that Indian communities there and they are powerful and stronger communities(we was previously) and what happened now????
All this can be fulfill if everyone of us (indian) change our mindset….
MIC leaders and follower… can you guys lists down for me MIC vision 2020?
My vision 2020 towards Indian…. we must make 100% educated indian in this country…
We can achieve this goal (100% educated indian) in 13 years time rather then lists so many achievements towards 2020 which MIC did since it forms but unable to acheive even 25%. When they are holding same principles for 2020, i am sorry for indians which we have only 13 years to go…
Ask yourself can we acheive?
Please…. all indian improve your education levels.. i feel this is the only ways we can push ourself to higher level…
After looking this country future.. I myself start my education to higher level (PhD) and i am doing fine towards education, my jobs and social activities…. people from other races respect towards you when you holding good education and trust on you… which i am getting now… that the reasons why i want 100% educate indian in Malaysia.
Don’t you think that goverment will have confident on your if you have good education… YES…
Once we achieve this, the goverment will look for INDIANS…there will be no more INDIANS looking for goverment. You guys agree with me????
So all Indians come and support each others towards 100% educated indians.
Thank you
MP: Indeed you get respect only if you offer value or able to contribute. As you said, its is true if have education/skill. I think if you have lots of money, you also offer value. So, people make take you more seriously. Another problem with education is that once you are equipped with education like PhD or BSc etc, you may migrate to another country. So, who is going to help the rest here?
I am glad to see a brave move taken.
Please also include one more issue for the PM. The issue is with Indonesian/Filipina women who are moving around freely in this country and enticing married Indian men. So many families have been shaken up or broken up due to this menance. It is a serious social problem which needs to be addressed on an urgent basis.
I would suggest that the government round up all illegal foreigners and send them off on an urgent basis. Do not grant permission to bring in foreign women except to work as housemaids. These housemaids will have be in tight control of employers and the employers should be made responsible if their maids cause any social problems.
I know it for a fact that a lot of Indon women are now employed in factories and as they stay on their own, they are free to mix around and have boyfriends (usually married man who don’t mind some extra fun).
Foreign women are even employed as sexy caddies in golf clubs (can you beat that) – do they have the permit (I wonder)?
Where is the enforcement team to check on these social menance?
Thank you.
Nadesan
MP: Enforcement? what does that mean? never heard of it in malaysia before 🙂
I’m really happy to see such a move was taken. I’m all here to support you’ll. The only sad thing was i couldn’t attend it. Well, we have sent in the memorandum. Is there anyone following up on it? A lot of good work like this has been started but never been followed up. We have to follow up. Don’t stop with one. If we don’t get our wish to meet PM by 31st August. We shud have one more. This one shud be on the eve or the day after our so called Independence Day. Then only the government will understand our feelings.
I agree with what Malaysian Indian says that all indians must be educated. Just a reminder to him. Do you know what is the statistics of indians entering the public varsity? Very less. When i was studying in UTM, the number indians depleted from 1000+ to only about 300 students, with only 80 students enrolling per year. The reason given by the varsity was we offered for 200 students but only 80 turned up. 200 is nothing compared to the total number of students entering varsity was 3000+.
Government says meritocration system. But i don’t think so. Where do we lack? Don’t tell me that we have only that many students can qualify for the places in the varsity.
if there’s a flaw in our education system, we shouldn’t wait for MIC anymore. We should form a NGO unit to study the indian education system in Malaysia. We then provide the figures to the government and the media.
We are educated. We are the one should help the Indian community. The chinese don’t hope on MCA. They beleive in themselves. They help themselves. We should emulate them.
I’m ready to do it. But i need support and guidance from each and everyone of you here.
Sorry if it’s too long, but it’s what i have in my heart and have poured it out.
C’mon indians! We are Malaysians! Stand up and fight for our rights.
MP: I agree that follow up is important and hopefully the organisers will have a plan. However, I’m a bit skeptical since the organisers are considered as a NGO, the govt can easily ignore them or label them as troublemakers or pro-opposition, when in fact the NGO is patriotic. What is lacking in schools have been highlighted for ages. Some schools in rural areas have no fixed power supply or tap water 50 years after independence. Too much of islamization in schools which affect confidence of parents and public. Tamil schools not made fully-aided. And so many other problems.
Dear All,
It’s good to know that finally our Indian community has awaken! This land of Malaya used to be ruled by our great Indian Kings who invaded Malaya before. The first man who stepped foot in Malacca was an Indian himself, everybody knows, Parameshwara, but even the histroy books stop at his name alone! There has been discoveries of early Hindu settlement, temples etc in this country, so why then should we be treated as third or no-class citizens?! This is certainly a prove that either we existed first in this country or alonwith others around the same time!
Therefore, I believe that we have equal rights just as much as any other race in this country. Why, even the term ‘bumi-putra’ is a sanskrit word. It does look like there is no more future for Indians in Malaysia, hence many who are more elite, educated and financially capable are migrating to other countries such as New Zealand and Australia.
I think the handing of the memorandum is probably one of the best thing for Indians that has ever happened in history ever since we got independence. The authorities always blame the Indian for all the social ills and disorder which takes place in the country, but don’t they know that when Indians are treated so poorly, with no proper opportunities given for growth or progress, how else can they survive ?
MIC is totally useless, it’s just that a few in the circle who actually gets to taste the pie and the cream as well, but has it been distributed well?
This does not mean that the leaders should go to every Indian and give them the pie, but they can fight to get a better quota for local University seats for Indians, they can fight to get better facilities for Tamil schools, voice out against temple demolition etc!
Perhaps,someone should seek some help from Indian Governement, get the Indian prime minister to warn the government here about mistreating Indians in this country. India is always prepared to do this, at least to my knowledge they have done so in regards to any Indian issues outside of India!
I congratulate you, Poobalan and others who have taken up this cause. Malaysian government should not underestimate Indians, they should always look back at history, remember how Mahatma Gandhi and few of his great followers got the independence from the British, so we are not a WEAK LOT!
MP: Yes, the current and future generation should be taught of history from the beginning – ice ages till now, and not from certain point in time only.
Getting help from the Indian govt most likely won’t work because they are unlike the Chinese govt who are more vocal of the chinese people regardless of citizenship. Even the Indian foreign workers being treated badly in Malaysia is ignored unless appear in media.
Thanks for the wishes, but as i have mentioned, this struggle is not about few people who have taken up a “Cause”. It is something that everyone must do. Yourself included. We can spread the word around especially to those without internet access. talk to our friends and relatives about the discriminations that happen, and get them registered as voters!!!
Great MP!
Golden opportunity! lets put our hands togather to prove that ‘Tamilargalum vetri kaanuvom’
Nammalum maatrathai yettpadutha mudiyum!!!!!!!!!
BORN TO WIN!!
I received a mail says that indians population are lower than forein workers. It’s very sad news to hear…. and I’ve attached together.
Kaum India sudah jatuh ke tangga No.4;(bukan lagi No.3)
MP: Hi Vignes. I’ve edited your comment and removed the article you attached since it is already available here on my blog (with the english translation as well) 🙂
Dear Nadesan,
Thank you for highlighting this issues… But do you think this issues only in Indian families?????
If “YES”, than this is our community issues, if “NO”, than this is country issues….
Dear Nadesan i think we should concern more about INDIAN issues first before we move to country issues…..
“Very sorry if I hurts you or against your ideas” But i agree with you, this is another major issues in indian community too (why i am saying major issues–>read below).
Basically convert to Islam because of so call “LOVE” and getting “Extra Girls” is they attitute problem or maybe they families problem…
Let ask ourself “Why do this guys looking for other girls even though they already married or try to marry malay girls ( willing to throw they own religion because of girls)????
What is happening to your indian girls until the guys looking other race girls or extra?????
Why 90% indian guys involve in this issues only 10% indian girls? This is my personal research by reading local newpaper since 2002 to 2007(example: recently drunk guy thrown his wife from 10th floor. He already got 2 more wives.
Check out their age the guy 33 years old and his pass away wife 41 years old(so call “LOVE”)).
“HELLO MIC”, ” HELLO NGO” and “RESEARCHER” any answer for above issues????
If i ask MIC leaders,
its very hard for them to answer me because top leaders also in above issues ;-).How can they going to answer me…….
I am not blaming all ok… there are some which we know very well.
Good example “Sujatha”…. Wat happen to her..shame right…
Who should we blame now Indian leaders, indian community or goverment?
Will be continue……
Thank you
MP: Rather than labelling it as Indian issue, we must label it as a national issue. We must first think of ourselves as rightful putrans of the soil, equal as any other mortals in the country. After all, no one has divine right to be considered privileged. Look at MCA. They always try not to mention race but always as a national issue so that it is dealt differently. The issue of adultery, polygamous marriages is beyond race/religion.
Dear Friends,
I think what uncle Samy said abt temple is true ( check today’s the star 20/8/07). One problem with our communities…why do they like to built temple as they like (which i against 100% and I can show you guys the places that illegal temple built)…If we want built temple,buy the land, get approval and built the temple… this is why i am saying if you going through MIC is more faster compare NGO’s….
Any comments MP????
Thank you
MP: the temples would be in few categories based on time/land type/size. Time – those that existed since before independence, thus don’t have any legal documents. Land type – either private land or public land (squatting). Size – from small hut/zinc roof type to large RM5 million gopuram type. even a anthill or tree can become temple for hindus. this is something that the others fail to understand. i remember after temple demolition issues in 2006, DBKL and perak govt set up a committee to discuss temple issues with reps from MIC / MHS etc. this is something that should be a precedent in all states.
also look at the high-handedness of the official who demolish and insult the religions by throwing statues into drains or breaking them in front of devotees. and these people call themselves tolerant 🙂
personally, i agree that are too many temples, so in the future, the community should be educated and asked not to simply set up shrines everywhere. as for the existing ones, a study on their location and status should be done. if possible relocate them or merge them if compatible. but practically speaking, our schools also in terrible state and not much done, so i doubt these people really can solve temple problems.
to get approval for temple is very difficult, i think. i remember reading that took 28 years for a church to get approval in selangor (pj or shah alam, i can’t remember). for them, just rent shoplots and forget about approvals. i think in the future, the hindu temples will also be located in houses or shoplots like some of the ashramam or guru-based centres.
another option is for local authorities and local govt and housing ministry to make it compulsory for land/space allocated for major religious buildings in housing projects that are more than certain size (like more than 1000 houses etc) and have pre-approved permits. they can consult the MCCBHST (consultative councils of all major religions in malaysia except islam). after all our rukunegara says “kepercayaan kepada tuhan” (believe in god), so what better way than to walk the talk?
but the burning question is: anyone really interested to solve the problem or its all just eyewash? 🙂
NGO’s gathering at Putrajaya makes Samy Vellu worries …….
“KUALA LUMPUR: MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu turned reporter today when he was seen taking down notes as MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Kah Ting delivered his welcoming address at the 54th MCA annual general assembly.
As Ong raised several issues concerning the Malaysian Chinese community, including asking the government to open up more opportunities for the Chinese community, Samy Vellu jotted down notes.
Samy Vellu’s note-taking did not go unnoticed by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who is also Barisan Nasional chairman.
Abdullah said: “I have never seen Samy Vellu taking down notes (on Ong’s speech) so furiously. How many pages have you written?” said Abdullah, drawing laughter from the audience.
Samy Vellu acknowledged Abdullah by waving his notepad from the floor.”
Look at the statement given by Samy Vellu about INDIAN in THE STAR newspaper…
Hello NGO’s will you memo will be entertain by PM, after our beloved MIC president comments about Indians in Malaysia…
Do you guys still needs this kind of leadership person…. We should gather at PutraJaya for Smay’s resignation…..
MP what is your comments about this after 3 hours long queues in hot sun at PutraJaya…
Of course Samy’s already worries and start taking nodes at MCA assemble….
Hmmm Why he taking down notes????? He going to fight for Indians and Hindus right…
Let wait and see…..
Friends any comments…….
Thank you
MP: Firstly, it was quite cloudy on that day 🙂 I think the very thought that a group of people (indians) had actually managed to gather and peacefully protest would have caused fear/worry in many levels of the party. We have not reached the levels like the chinese community who managed to get 350K signatures to protest against crime in JB and made MCA look like dead chicken 🙂 If organisers start to focus on wider issues related to indians and other races – like removing racial barriers, open education system, fair share of economic pie, freedom of religion etc, i’m sure more people will join in. they have to be careful not to be labelled “pro-opposition” or “religious extremists”. they have to tie indian issues to other similar neglected cases – even among the malays and orang aslis. refer to today’s star metro section…where a kampung orang asli about 4KM from zoo negara don’t have electricity! the last 3 MPs for gombak never did anything, claimed by the people there.
As it is, the community cannot expect overnight changes, but must persistently continue harping and talking on the issues. so what if the MIC is condemning? they represent not more than 28% of the indians i think (500k membership?) the point is whether the community finds MIC still relevant or we can do it on our own, by regrouping and strategising better.
about taking down notes…well its about time! hopefully the next mic assembly will be better in terms of quality.
This is our time, MIC want to meet NGO’s to talk about Indian issues……
It took 50 years for us to do something finally. I really hope there will be changes in the indian community for we are far left behind compared to others, of course which is not due to lack of our capabilities but due to the invisible barriers imposed on us in various aspects. I’m not expecting a massive change, but even tiny changes will make a great difference in our lives.
MP: Well said. i like the “invisible barrier” that you highlighted. Looks like the barrier is getting more visible day by day.
About hindu temple again….
Taman Abadi Indah (behind Desa waterpark)…I moved here last year around August…. my apartment facing football field (nice view)….
At the corner of the field there was small chinese temple where they (chinese) always do their prayer before any contructions (most of us knew abt it)…but here i saw hindu’s god in frames format… its quite old…once a while i saw someone light the lamp…..
Recently (ard 3 month) someone start build the ground… they brought
semencement and bricks and start build the platform for the small temple, after few weeks the small temple (ard 1 feet) become 5 ft temple… this indian guys start prayers and today(25/8/07) they are doing big pooja in this temple…. sincerely i was very very angry about this… we are badly fighting for legalisal all the illegal temple and worried abt demolising of our existing temple this few guys start more temple and making our afford more criticals.I was shocked when i look at this guys, most of them are indian from india and support by few locals….
This is football field not the place to do prayers or build temple…we must understand the basic ideas abt gods and place to build the temples… the are no such things that we can create any temple anyway we like ok…. if you guy saying that we can build hindu temple anyway or any places under the tree… sorry to say most of they will be demolished….we are not staying in jungle we are in cities which we should allocate proper places to do our prayers…
plsss we must get respect our own religion don’t simple build our temple any place as you like ( football field,middle the road, road side,corner of road etc) what are we try to prove here, i don’t understand….
Go and read hinduism… sincerely how many of us know basic hinduism…..
MP what should we do about this temple….today they start with pooja… one day they will take kavadi’s and i will not be surprise if they start bring goats and chickens for prayers…. and i saw after the prayers this guys start drinking beers…
MP do you want to leave this matter just like tht or make a necessary actions??
Shall we make a complaint to remove this temple or we should start this new temple????
If you interest, you can come to my place just behind Abadi Indah Polis station…
If you need my help… i will be there for you.. just send an email to me… i will guide you….
Waiting for your comments……
MP: sorry for the late reply. i’m figuring out how to answer your questions.
firstly, the problem is due to the foreigners – and i’m seeing similar situations where the foreign indians are slowly taking over – just like the workers from indonesia, bangladesh, pakistan etc. they are able to adjust and learn the ways of the street fast. but we the locals are still struggling with basic things like roof over our heads and meals on our tables.
if you are able to talk to them while they are sober, perhaps you can get some idea on why they built up the temple. the options they have is to demolish it, since i don’t think you can get an alternative site anywhere else. perhaps they wanted a temple that caters to they group of fellow foreigners and pray in their own style.
how about alternative temples for them to go to? any temples near their place?
even if you tell them about threat of abolishment, will it sink into them or would they bother? i think it a matter of time only before they end up messing the area and causing disturbance to others. and then DBKL will drop by and demolish the temple.
indeed, what can we do?
– talk to the devotees to downgrade it to its original size?
– complain to DBKL?
– let nature take its cause?
Thanks for your reply…
hmmmm… I agreed with your comments 100%…
i don’t think so they will listen to us..
If we argue with them, it looks like we(indians) fighting each other because of temple… something shameful for us right!!!
MP….. hope nature take its cause….
Thank you
The Chinese, Kadazan-Dusun, Iban, and minority aborigine Aslian, should also follow the Indian community for a peaceful move, a good example. Good move.
MP: I think the Indians have learnt a few things from the original bumiputras in this case. Some of the aborigines have done such protests when their customary lands were taken away or converted. In fact, as recent as yesterday (15/9/2007), there was a demonstration cum protest at Dataran Merdeka, which was not highlighted prominently (refer The Star, Page 6, third photo at the top of the page). Even the chinese protested in numbers during the occurrence of snatch thief cases in Johor Bahru. If I’m not mistaken, more than 200,000 signatures were collected!
Im very happy that there is number of indians are fighting for our community rigths and our community starts wakeup
I 100% support on Mr “Malaysian Indians” ,Our Indian community need education then only others views towards Indians will change, and number of crime commit by indian also will drop, so far i cant find any action taken MIC on this issues
The first move itself had left a big desire in the hearts of every Indian.We have to continue our demonstration but before that we have to re-unite our community since we are now facing a lot of problems as gangterism and vandalism.In spite of that we have to re-unite all those people who are not so bothered with anything happen to the community since they might think that they are in a comfortable zone with enough education and economy background.
I have to talk about this since I have met a lot of Indians in this category whom are willing to inject the money for the society but afraid to come forward.
We have to stop Indians fighting Indians.
We have to do alot and don’t aspect any drastic changes but we cannot wait anymore.
something should be done immediately,otherwise our community will be missing soon or later.
These protests should be held as a weekly event, just like the “reformasi” during 1997 onwards. Our grievances must be heard, our rights as citizens should be preserved. It is a shame that only in this country a citizen is fighting for their rights. Illegals(Indons) are enjoying a citizens privilege. The only way to show our displeasure is via vote. Don’t vote for BN! They have been in power since independence. See what the opposition got to offer.
50 years post independence we are still fighting the same issues – how shameful. We failed miserable to asimilate into this country as Malaysians. Once Malays were poor, not so clever and highly depended on non-Malays to run the country. They feared they cannot rule the country alone post independence.
Now what happened? A Malays is the top scorer in SPM and subsequently best student in UK (UK gov. also can’t be biased right?). They take over every business from Banking to manufacturing. Wake up “Indians” – we are not relevant anymore. They don’t need us today to run and reach greatest heights for Malaysia. Are we just becoming a nuisance? How many Indian students are joining robotic competition or science quiz?? How many Malays do? Do we really have the quality? Will even the Indians from India able to sit and score in STPM Mathematics? Look at medical graduates pathetic quality from those 3rd world countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Time for us to wake. Special priviledge to Malays is only one part of it. They have uplifted the quality and attitute of their youth to a different level. There is a fire in them to compete. And most important, they are willing to SCARIFICE!!!!!!
Our future lies here. Not everyone can migrate – the poor, old and diseased will continue to live here (no country wants them). Being minority, we have to sacrifice. We will be and practice Hinduism – no one can take away that right from us. The rest, if we have to wear songkok to work in a place – lets do it. Stand by Bahasa Malaysia as our language, show to all that we are indeed a true part of this country.
1957 social contract – “language and schools rights for the minority groups in exchange of economic rights for Malays”. You think it’s still relevant?? There are 40 million Tamils in Tamil Nadu to make Tamil a great language, why we take the headache? Why need announcement in Tamil in KLIA – because after 50 years of independence, we cannot speak our national language? How long we want to group our children together among themselves only in Tamil Schools? You want your children to grow up in a divided nation as you are living?? We want our children to share and have the same fear, vengence and suspicion that we have towards the Chinese and Malays? Why not let them grow together at the age when they don’t know what is race? Why not let them play together long before we separate them? At least 50 years from now, we will see a united country from its deep roots unlike today. Will it be our dream? Is protecting our mother tongue is more important than the nation itself?
Today the Malays still call us to study together with them. They don’t block our children to study in National schools. But beware, we are slowly becoming irrelevant. We failed to assimilate. Sooner than later I believe, they will stop thinking about us. We will cease to exist in our own country. They may not want you in their “school”. The newly migrated Filipinos’, Pakistanis’, Indonesians’,Thais’,Bangladeshis’ and also “north” Indians’ would have assimilated and become very integral part of this Malaysia and we who built the basic foundation of this beautiful country will become irrelevant , still sitting in one corner talking about the greatness of our mother tongue.
they Malays and non-Malays are equaly responsible for disunity in us. Accept the fact.
Kumar74:
I’m interested in some of your comments, and my reply are below:
if i’m not mistaken, the Malaysian identity is not one of assimilation, whereby one sacrifice some parts/characteristics in order to be accepted. Ours is of mutual understanding, where the government stresses that the individual culture, tradition etc. is to be maintained.
Regardless of race, anyone can be clever. Its good that a Malay is a best student in UK. One should not be denied of recognition. The issue of taking over the industries is to give opportunities to them so that they can improve. But the point is, at whose expense and for how long?
Same goes for contest participation. As long its based on merit, fair play and justice, no one sane will mind if the participant is of a particular race.
As for Indians from india or other foreigners taking our exam, it depends on who you choose – the best, the average or the worst. I suspect the best from india or other countries don’t list Malaysia as their first choice for job. More likely US or UK.
I agree that they have improved by leaps and bounds, to the point that they feel superior to others. Some worked hard to get to their position, while for some others, it fell into their laps. If this trend continues, we will find the other races left behind – due to dwindling population and opportunities.
Sure, there’s always sacrifices to be made. But what is the limit? Where is the point that we cease to be ourselves and turn into someone else?
The social contract also included citizenship in exchange for special privileges.
Actually, i think there’s 65 million tamils in TN. I think the reason there were claims to have Tamil announcements in KLIA were to give equal recognition to the majority Tamil local Indian community and to cater for visitors from TN.
Tamil schools are only for 6 years and the content of the subjects all follow national curriculum. For many years the concept worked well. People lived in harmony because few hours in school for six years doesn’t mean that the people will be divided. Those days racial polarization were more apparent- Indians in estates, Chinese in towns etc. And yet, people did not have problem communicating nor eating out together. Now, we live in the same taman, but the division is felt more. This is vernacular schools fault? I doubt it. I think the non-Malay citizens are very loyal to the nation, only unhappy with certain policies.
Sacrificing mother tongue will improve the nation? Lets look at Indonesia-very secular; all follow Bahasa Indonesia; they can have general names that does not denote race/religion. Yet, during economic downturn, the chinese were attacked. On the other hand, having multilingual citizen is a very big plus point in global economic scene.
Education is fast becoming a business. Any plans or ideas to limit or ignore certain groups for entering schools will only hurt economically and politically. I don’t foresee the situation that you mentioned happening in any time soon.
Citizenship is not an issue now. Social contract is about economic rights for language and schoolsa issue. Why look at poor country like Indonesia? Why not US or UK – got the great Tamil schools there?? Why not you guys who migrate there ask for this rights? The 6 years of the young tender age is enough to segregate people (that is the most important age). We can sit together and have a cup of coffee then because we never look at ourself as one then. This is a new generation who grow up not knowing India or China. We need real unity.
Any how you have your opinion same as migrants 100 years back. There are a lot of us who don’t believe in your ideas too. I wish to be known as Malaysian rather than Indian. I hope other “Indians” don’t drag people like me into your type of mentality.
There are a big group of new generation Malaysians like me with who are really united among races (and it’s due to my training in national school and subsequently fully residential school). I believe the group like me will keep growing. I have no time for your type of narrow racial tone and to “protect” mother tongue. I am successful (very successful) in my life and would like to share this with fellow Malaysians and only true Malaysians. It’s unfortunate that frequently I am grouped together with other racially inclined persons.
If you want to cater for visitor for small number of people from poor and backward Tamil Nadu – carry on. Don’t associate us. We need to cater for the world.
Different school system is the problem – you accept it or not. If you continue to live in illusionary world and bring this nation to bottom – carry on. America was built by their education system.
Sorry if my comments hurt you. I have better things to do in life and this country I do sense a great oppurturnity and and improve my self. I am leaving to Oxford next month for Ph.D in molecular Oncology with JPA scholarship. Wish when I am back I don’t meet this type of chaunist Indians or Chinese. Hope so they don’t identify me as “Indian” because I am not born in India.
Good luck.
Hi again Kumar74,
I’m indeed happy to hear your comments. Below are mine.
Citizenship is not an issue now. Social contract is about economic rights for language and schoolsa issue.
– yes, but the contract was packaged with the citizenship, economic rights, royalty, national language, official religion etc. how can we talk about one without the whole picture? unless of course, for example we say abolish the contract, but our citizenship remains. By the way, are you saying that if we give up vernacular schools and language, we will have equal economic rights? hmmm.
Why look at poor country like Indonesia? Why not US or UK – got the great Tamil schools there?? Why not you guys who migrate there ask for this rights?
– yeah, why not. maybe because tho countries are already established. They have a secular constitution which does not prefer any religion. But in our country, all our forefathers (of all races) created the country just 50 years back. In the constitution and acts it is guaranteed that vernacular schools are maintained. For me that seems to be different as compared to countries like US or those in EU. I can quote Australia, whereby if I were to migrate today, I have to assimilate and adopt the Australian culture. There’s no two ways about it. Over here, we talked about multi-racialism only to impress tourist, but in real sense, there’s repression. I can liken us migrating to US/UK etc and demanding rights to the Indonesians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshi who migrate here now and start demanding for their mother tongue schools. It doesn’t seem the same.
The 6 years of the young tender age is enough to segregate people (that is the most important age).
– I read somewhere that the most important ages are between 2 and 5 actually :). As I mentioned earlier, only the language is vernacular but the content is very much “malaysianised”. Students study about Ali and Abu, local history, science in local context etc. There are many events organized between schools that allow for mingling. We can mix easily with others since our environment is very much multi-racial, be it setinggan area, low-cost flats, or middle class neighbourhood.
We can sit together and have a cup of coffee then because we never look at ourself as one then.
– got to disagree here. post independence, most of the rakyat felt this was their country. They knew the struggle of independence, fight against communism, confrontation with indonesia etc, which got them together. They had a sense of identity since they lived through it all. I think history books document this well enough.
This is a new generation who grow up not knowing India or China. We need real unity.
– Agreed. We don’t think of India or China as our motherland. This is our country. No one wants this country to be another China or India. All everyone asks for is a fair playing field. Problem is, sometime we feel unwanted in our own country.
Any how you have your opinion same as migrants 100 years back.
– not sure about what they thought about. Maybe a better living condition and income and more attachment to motherland.
There are a lot of us who don’t believe in your ideas too.
– Great. I hope they come out in the open and highlight it, by setting up blogs for example or writing to the papers. All I see around me is only dissatisfaction. In fact, the only people who seem to have such ideals are the politicians. Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for a united country but with fair play, justice, freedom and equality in it. At the moment, it seems lop-sided.
I wish to be known as Malaysian rather than Indian. I hope other “Indians†don’t drag people like me into your type of mentality.
– Agreed. In fact, my merdeka wish was removal of all segregating terms like gender, race, religion in all application forms, surveys etc. However, have you tried “malaysian” when they asked for race detail?
There are a big group of new generation Malaysians like me with who are really united among races (and it’s due to my training in national school and subsequently fully residential school).
– good to hear that. there are also many who are united even though they did not go to national school or residential schools. in fact the normal secondary school or local football field is more than enough.
I believe the group like me will keep growing. I have no time for your type of narrow racial tone and to “protect†mother tongue. I am successful (very successful) in my life and would like to share this with fellow Malaysians and only true Malaysians. It’s unfortunate that frequently I am grouped together with other racially inclined persons.
– again, good for you. hope you enjoy more success and make our country proud. I mean Malaysia.
If you want to cater for visitor for small number of people from poor and backward Tamil Nadu – carry on. Don’t associate us. We need to cater for the world.
– not sure where you got that idea from.
Different school system is the problem – you accept it or not. If you continue to live in illusionary world and bring this nation to bottom – carry on. America was built by their education system.
– well, i don’t accept it. you have your opinion, and I have mine.
Sorry if my comments hurt you.
– no problem. we learn by discussing these things.
I have better things to do in life and this country I do sense a great oppurturnity and and improve my self. I am leaving to Oxford next month for Ph.D in molecular Oncology with JPA scholarship.
– congratulations. i wish you all the best. i hope you do return back unlike some who find that the grass is greener there.
Wish when I am back I don’t meet this type of chaunist Indians or Chinese. Hope so they don’t identify me as “Indian†because I am not born in India.
– small correction there. you are “indian” because of your parents and their forefathers. Its in your genes, and I’m afraid you can’t change it. It does not matter where you were born. nationality and race is different, no?
i feel regardless of type of school, a person can be a good, loyal and productive citizen. As long as the schools are provided equal footing and importance, they will produce good students. you believe differently. so be it.
MP: edited. you seem to know a lot for a 16-year old.
Well..im not so good in english anyway…if got mistakes in high speed typing..SORRY
Im a boy which study in SMK..and 16..Hindu!
and recently i saw many “downgrades” in malaysia towards the indians…
as u can see….only 5~10% of indian can enter the goverment college…what tiz for?
they trying to low down the population of graduates of indians in malaysia…
and they do so because they want ***** to achieve more than indians….
HAve u seen any tamil principle in SMK…?
Or in SK?
sure no la…think again y?
not only tat….some teachers in primary and secondary schools nowdays…Dont wat to teach tamil students and even dont care bout their…
if tamil student got disiplin case….Fuhhh..dont need to say la….sure that tamil boy or tamil girls will be kicked out from the school…
eventough the malay boy smach the tamil boy head…sure the damm malay principle kick the poor tamil boys…
i state this statement coz..im a teenager and just turned 16 tis year(2007)
i experianced alot of scene in my school…
and i even cant hit back any malay boys if i hav been slaped because of entered the bathroom and tat time they are smoking…cant 4 get it…haizz
as u see…if any indians go to bank rakyat and ask for loan…hahah..no chance lar…
only 1% of them get it…
if malays…if missing any form aso can get…
eventough they hav been blacklisted…
GOV just giv the FELDA land to most malay’s only…
hmm….but indians are the Economical supporters 4 the malaysia..
indian support the latex industry when the latex got high price in tat time…
where tat time malays go…***********?
the only thing that support indian is only the foundation and the temple…
That why the GOV want to destroy the temple’s…
Nowdays the temple support the poor indians..
Did u see any chinsese suffer from the “act” of gov?
No..because they just want to do bussiness only..
and we work under chinese…
Who have the social disaster in malaysia now?
sure malays lar….GANJA!
eventough ganja “diharamkan”..they still eat it…hehe
u noe why “tiger,carlsberg and dunhill..ble..bla”
still allowed in malaysia?
because of chinese…
this because if malaysia boikot the beverages…sure the chinese fight and indians cant do anything…
and of coz some of malays backstab their religion by hav the dunhill and tiger…
5% diskaun for bumiputera?
What the hell is tis?
so that mean we came from other country lar?
Damm bullshit.!
we must fight ****** so that we need to have that 5% too…
remember…indian,chinese,malays….all of them combine together to ask the freedom..
now? malays want to conquer us….
they think that tiz is malay country….
and where our leader…?
hiding under MRR2?
***!
hahahah!!
100% i sure that indians wait for this moment..!
we need to fight ******..
not malays only have that “mati jihad”
we also have…we need to achive something before we die..
remember we need to let our generation stay in malaysia in peace…and balaced situation…
eventough im just 16…i dun hav rights to advise my elders….
Plese fight for INDIANS.>!
Im 16 and i cant do nyting against GOV..(sad)
Our leaders cant do anythiing because they are controlled by GOV…100% sure
So..who gonna do it?
of course rich and high statue businnessman….thiz because they have been contribute in SAHAM malaysia…if they rollbacked their saham….sure ekonomi jatuh…then malays die lo….no salary for goverment workes..
and poor’s can make a riot against gov…tiz actually the best way…
Sincerely…have u seen alot of chinese inside the
goverment bank?
sure not…they now..they dont want to explode their self…
they only put their money in PublicBank,CIMB,HongLeong and others..eventough the rate of interest in low than the GOV…
MP: if i’m not mistaken, CIMB is not chinese owned.
so let all of us look up and inmagine our future as a indians…im a teenager and now i already think about my grandsons and my child in future..
so plese think about it or we need to stay at indonesia or taiwan as a foreigners and need to take visa every month…
and all you have to prevent tiz all is :
Come to BRITISH EMBASSY near Ampang on 25th November 2007…
We need more than 1 milion(1,000,000)..so that the
Britsh will take action on Gov…who knows if British make malaysia no more and add malaysia to one of his countyy?
and sure we all can get high education and sure high money$$…
MP: I seriously doubt that any malaysian wants their country to be taken over by another country. I disagree with this.
So indians plese participate and let we proof to british that we are really suffering…plese
and we need a lot of secondary students like me…the british really look for students…
so all students plese come and join that assemble..
MP: How you the british are looking for students?
And…hope to see all of u in that assemble…BYe indians…
From : Mr.Indian
Mr Indian,
you are still young – cool down please. Let us the elders settle the political problem. You just study – don’t talk about discrimination. Get CGPA 4.0 in STPM and go in to what ever course you want to or get 9 1A’s in SPM and get a JPA scholarship. You sound smart, if you get this results and don’t get scholarship mail me at v_j_kant@hotmail.com – I will make sure you get a place. We go to streets if there is injustice for you.
For time being you just study and don’t enter into this racial based emotions. The people who are fighting up there may not be that sincere also – you will understand this over time.
At your age I was emotional too. The things that happen in your school should be highlighted if it is true. Please approach MCA bureau of complaint (with your parents) – we cannot let this things to carry on. Racial bullying should be viewed very seriously.
It would be much more beneficial for you to study then joining street demonstration. No point asking for a public university with CGPA of 3.2. Emulate the Chinese. Work like them.
This court case and street demonstration is just a waste of time. Taking away Bumiputra status does not mean we will be benefit much. Singapore too has the Bumiputra status in their constitution for Malays – it’s the implementation that matters. Singapore Indians are worst then us in their socio-economic status. Individual achievement is the way for our community to progress. I am going to Oxford (my field is studies), so try to emulate me. See business, emulate Tony Fernandes. This demonstration will only hit back on us.
What if a comission is formed by British goverment to investigate and found that Indian socio-economic state is better than most Malays(Kelantanese, Terengganu), the Kadazans, Dusuns, Ibans, Melanaus, Bidayuhs and orang asli? Will you agree to sacrifice more so that this people will benefit?? What if a Malay put a case in British court seeking damages for bringing Indians to Malaysia because this Indians are in gangsterism and creating social problem.
There are a lot for you to learn at this tender age and don’t be influenced by certain quater’s. Some are fighting without objective’s. The only way to overcome this discrimination is by ultimate unity among Malaysians. We should work towards it – may be in another 100years time our grandchildren can live in a racially unbiased country. It is a though job and the only way to achieve that is up bringing. If you value a Malay for his intelligence despite you being discriminated once and give what is due for him, he MAY do the same when he comes accross an Indian origin.
OR if you want Jihad in this young age, I can’t help you. Don’t create trouble for other peace loving Indians in this country please.
** ps – next we may see Panjabi, Telegu or Malayalee gathering to re-open their Telegu, Malayalee or Panjabi school. What a beautiful country it will be then – wow.
kumar74
Our Hindu community is very strong,kind and helpfull.
But our weakness is gangsterlisgm.
We can clearly seen that during the ‘thiruvila’ definately there is a gang fight with the parang or helmet . So most of the prayer afraid to attend the thiruvila b’cos during this fighting this youngster did not know what actually they are doing.
Why should be like this ? Did they think that by being a gangster only they will be known as a man.Why should they show their braveful in the temple in front of our God ? Did they evet think how the other races think of our culture > We are not only shame but insulting our religion.
Pls. use our braveness in the right place in the right time and not in temple . Today youngster is tomorow leader . Why must we fight among us in the same religion – b’cos of the diff. gang ? Why not we fight for the right in the peaceful situation for our religion rather then wasting our energy for something useless.We have alot of valued tradisional + culture .
Pls. do not spoil it with gangsterlisgm.
Why not we combained our energy to help our HINDRAF.
MP: Im right ?
Anyway…thanks for “bring me out” form the world or politics…anyway,i didnt satisfy with the “racial bully” in schools nowdays…
Eventough i go and report…sure they wont take any action and furthermore they will try to spoil the reporters education in spm or STPM!
It hav been happen before!
As u now…every Indian teenager grow from a school….only two choice for them too choose their life after UPSR…
1.Peralihan(Remove)
2.(Form 1)
If the indian fellow from SJK(T) got “pass” mark only can enter the 2 choice…
If fail..even in MATHs(1A 3b 1E)….sure dat guy pushed into remove clz…
FOr what is tiz supposed to be?
Grr…
In 15 indian..they only choose 1 to be the best..other all..(gone)
And After SPM…most of the indians go to work and
search for the college(for the smart student)
and if for (uneducated student)….sure they go for kuli jobs and join other gang group to get “dunhill,and Carlsberg” for free….
and from there…a group of gengsters will prduced..
And wat should MIC do….build a “kounselor” who lead the student to a good path…
And i didnt love JIHAD…because there a lot of thing who i need to achive in my life..
And i got someone that love me and i love her..
So..i didnt prefer “riot” in our COUNTRY..
And if i need help..sure i contact u Kumar74
And before that i wanna ask u..got messenger?
c-ya and bye….hidup malaysia.malaysia boleh*
Mr.Indian!
I am not an Indian but I’m also NOT a racist.
The Hindraf Gathering was not given a permit by the authorities. No good reason/excuse given except keep insisting that it’s something RACIAL!
Have they really read the memorandum or just being plain psychic? Now you’re going to use ISA? And Indian Teachers will be sacked..this is extortion and threatening!!
It is an unarmed citizen peaceful gathering and the authorities have all equipped with all the “weapons”. Hindraf needed only less than an hour to present the memorandum – whether or not the British Government would argue or wouldn’t entertain – that’s a different story.
As a Malay and Malaysian, I do not share the ideas that the foreign tourist will run away from visiting us or the businessman/woman around are saying that their businesses have been affected, I’m beginning to think that some quarters are still defending colonialisme without they realizing it….
I’m not against the British or the Government but let’s talk common sense here…
Mr Poobalan,
Thanks for your comments. The Hindraf gatthering have happened. It’s good that someone noticed us.
As much as you are talking about level playing fields, I too agree with taking away this racially discriminatory policies. They intepret Malay special priviledge as rights (Hak) in our constitution. I was a national best student in 1991 SPM and not given anhy scholarship. I hated the Malay race then. I took a long way for the wounds to heal (for some it never heal). It was until recently when Badawi came into power that this scholarships were open to others.
Mahathir is solely responsible for this. 21 years of extreme discrimination. I too want to make a book out of it if I have a chance – the people should remember what was done to others in this country. Some Malays don’t even realize what they did to us.
I want this priviledge to end because it’s a social stigma for ever. But thinking that without this priviledges to Malays – Indians will become rich or government will do everything to help us is ridiculous. They may get even worse – like how they treat Indians in Myanmar.
There is only one reservation for me in the Hindraf fight – Tamil schools. Being a son of a tamil school teacher myself and I do have a lot of disagreement with my father. Having different race sitting beside you for 6 years and forced to know the person is different from getting together in field or coffee shop. Some things have to start early and the tested way. Everyone have to sacrifice Malay right, Language etc.
The fact that each group standing with their own agenda is very sad. UMNO meeting is one chaunist ones – i agree. If they don’t want non-muslems in this country, they should make it clear. Tell us to get out of this country and give us time – may be 10 years (at least we can apply for refugee status). Its neither here nor there. This is a Malay country and the united culture should be based on that – something we have to accept.
thank you
MP: do you wonder why the throw “rocks, metals and etc”? i suggest you visit jeffooi’s site and also other blogs/websites. try these first:
http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/11/hindraf_rally_ethnic_minority_1.php
http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/11/hindraf_rally_ethnic_minority.php
http://www.aljazeera.net/english
Luckily the authorities equipped with some “weapons”. Peaceful , u said? They threw rocks , metals and etc to the authorities. Read today’s newspaper. Pity those bleeding policemen(including a chinese policeman!). They were injured because of this “peaceful” gathering. This “hindraf” thingy is totally absurd , I must say.If the govt abolished the status of bumi-putra , I cant imagine wat will happen to Malaysia. Things will get complicated , chaos an turmoil everywhere , worse than Myanmar. Hence , the bumi(the majority) will then do the same thing (demonstration etc) which will turn this beloved country upside-down. Of course the bumi will not be satisfied when their status has been removed!.Then definitely the chinese will ask for their “so-called” rights ,too if the indian got their “18-point” . Riots everywhere , and 1969’s tragedy may reoccur! Do you wnt bloodshed in our country??!
Just look at Ananda Krishna. He’s a billionaire. And an Indian!!! So y can’t any other Indian follow his foot steps? Minimum wage of Rm1k is ridiculous. Stop gambling and drinking la!!
Even though we r non-bumi , we r not totally exiled by the govt. We shud at least be a little grateful , even though we receive trivial aid from the govt. At least we still got Tamil n Chinese school. Y not sending your children to SK? I was sent to SK rather than SKJC 20yrs ago. But Im still a chinese who practices chinese tradition !
My dad always said dat eventhough our rights r limited compared to the bumis , we shud not be in despair. This is a challenge. Just like malay in S’pore. They face a lot of “challenges” bcoz they r the minority. They took the “challenges” , a lot of them became successful in the process. But still , they didnt do demonstration n etc to get their rights as the bumi!. My dad has a malay fren in S’pore who has million dolars-worth of share in GSK !!
I think the indian shud not do something like this. Western-reporters(Reuters , especially!) would be delightful when sumthing like this happened (well of course , they’ll add some ajinamoto to their stories , then BBC n CNN add some perencah adabi to their news.. Voila!! “Racial tension occured in Malaysia , worst since 1969” blablabla an so on)
The indian shud use MIC as their channel of disagreement towards govt policies. Not hindraf! Kick Samy Vellu if necessary lol.
Please , my indian frens!! Btw Mr Indian , dont be a liar ok! When I was in 2ndary school , nothing like dat happened!! (“i experianced alot of scene in my school… and i even cant hit back any malay boys if i hav been slaped because of entered the bathroom and tat time they are smoking…cant 4 get it…haizz”) Liar!! This is an example of ajinamoto-added stories.. Maybe he’s a CIA lol. They’re everywhere in malaysia , trying to conjure chaotic environment in this peaceful multi-racial country. Malay teachers usually pukul malay students more than indian or chinese so dat they can educate “anak bangsa sendiri” more. I eavesdropped the conversation of my teachers when I was sending some reports to the “bilik displin”(I was the head-prefect of the school!)
Please , my indian frens!! Use proper channel , ok 🙂 And dont listen to Mr Indian’s 99%-adabi-asam jawa-added stories!!!