Archive for the ‘Religion’ category

Interview with Indira Gandhi

April 16th, 2010
|  Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe to poobalan.com by Email


Reproduced from Malaysian Insider article.

By Clara Chooi

Indira with her daughter Tevi (left) and son, Karan (right) at their home in Ipoh. — Pictures by Choo Choy May

KUALA LUMPUR, March 25 — Unlike most traditional Indian marriages, kindergarten teacher Indira Gandhi married K. Pathmanathan out of love.

Theirs was not the stuff of novels; it was just a run-off-the-mill high school romance that eventually resulted in an exchange of wedding vows.

What they did not know was that three children and 14 years later, their marriage would be torn apart by a highly-publicised inter-religious custody battle that, until today, remains unsolved.

In an exclusive interview with The Malaysian Insider in her home city of Ipoh recently, Indira vented her frustrations over the ambiguity of the country’s religious laws, and recalled the many trials and tribulations of the past year that had very nearly caused her to give up Hinduism just to keep custody of her children.

The drama, said Indira, actually began from the day after she and Pathmanathan became Mr and Mrs Pathmanathan. Once a doting boyfriend and first-love, Pathmanathan wasted no time in shedding his sheep’s clothing, she said.

“Shortly after we got married, he began to beat me. Over and over again. Most of the time over small, petty arguments,” she claimed. Her allegations cannot be independently verified and is not a subject of her legal case.

Indira, however, said she kept quiet about the beatings, not wanting to blow the problem out of proportion and praying daily that her high school sweetheart would soon return.

And so the couple moved on with their lives without much fanfare. In 1997, Indira gave birth to her first baby girl, Tevi Darsiny. A year later, a baby boy, Karan Dinish, joined the growing family.

The couple struggled through difficult years as financial problems eventually began to cause serious dents in their marriage.

“I took a job as a kindergarten teacher. My husband switched from job to job and we had to move around Malaysia quite a bit. I hardly got to see my family members, not even during Deepavali,” said Indira.

To top it off, she had to settle the household bills and take care of the children all by herself, as Pathmanathan was frequently on the road.

Indira claimed she had to put up with abuse and infidelity.

“Not only that… he began to have an affair with a Thai woman. I knew about it but what could I do?

“Even my children knew about this. Imagine what it felt like when my daughter came home one day and told me — `Amma, I saw daddy with another woman’,” said Indira.

Still, like many broken marriages, Indira and Pathmanathan stayed married for the good of the children.

It was in March last year that the real drama really exploded, she explained, barely a year after she had delivered her third child, Prasana Diksa, a chubby little baby girl who should have been the uniting factor in a disintegrating marriage.

“He came home that day, telling me he wanted to talk to me. When we got the chance, he told me `Why not we all become Muslims? Life would be easier, we would get better opportunities, money would come easier’. He said `Come to Kelantan with me, they will give us land’. I was shocked,” she said.

“I refused and so did my two older children. We fought and he got angry… he began to beat me. My daughter yelled at him, saying `Don’t you ever lay your hand on Amma’. He got angry with my daughter but he did not beat her. He is a very good father to them,” said Indira.

In the midst of the argument, she said, Pathmanathan grabbed 11-month-old Prasana and stormed off.

“The other two did not want to come with him so he just took Prasana,” she said.

Losing Prasana was just a harbinger of worse to come.

At the police station later, Indira was dealt with a stunning revelation — that Pathmanathan had already embraced Islam earlier in the month and had become “Mohd Ridzuan Abdullah”.

“I was shocked because he has always been the religious… he would even go with us to the temples on occasions,” she said.

It was the first mile of a long, bad road from that day onwards, said Indira.

Mohd Ridzuan had even converted all three children into Islam without the presence or knowledge of their mother, after taking the children’s birth certificates from the family home.

“He changed all their names and even informed their schools they were now Muslims,” she said.

It was then that Indira discovered the flaws in the country’s religious laws and just how sticky a custody battle could be when it involved a Muslim-convert and a non-Muslim.

With little choice in her hands, Indira was forced to take her struggle to the courts, and until today, her dilemma has not been solved.

She sought two things — that her children remain as Hindus and that she gets to keep custody of all three.

Since her husband absconded with Prasana, Indira has been living with her two older children in Ipoh.

To date, two conflicting custody orders have been granted to the couple — one to Mohd Ridzuan from the Syariah Court last April and one to Indira from the civil High Court on March 11 this year.

Which order should prevail, however, is still unknown as the country’s laws are silent on that matter.

Meanwhile, Indira’s application to seek leave for judicial review to quash the conversion of her three children to Islam has been set for April 3.

Indira contemplated embracing Islam, in order to be allowed to keep her children.

“I was happy when I was granted custody but yet a part of me also knew that the fight was far from over. I just wish that this never happened. I do not know why he has to do this. If he has found happiness in another religion, I do not care, go ahead with it, but leave the children out of it. I want my baby girl back…” she said.

Indira said that the last time she had caught a short glimpse of Prasana after a year-long separation was in January this year, when Mohd Ridzuan was ordered to bring the toddler to court to meet with High Court Justice Wan Afrah Wan Ibrahim.

Although she had been forewarned by her lawyers, the sight of her 21-month-old baby girl weighed down by a large tudung (Malay headscarf) had moved her to tears.

She voiced frustration at having missed out on so many firsts in Prasana’s growing years, like her first words, her first steps, and even her first birthday.

“I just missed so much… I missed so much. She was taken when she was just 11-months-old. I missed everything. She was such a pleasant child, very easy to care for and we all loved her. As a mother… and a kindergarten teacher, I see children everyday but I can’t see my own baby. Now, I do not know anything about her, how long her hair is, what she likes… I miss my child,” she said.

In fact, Indira said she had very nearly given up at one point and had even toyed with the idea of converting to Islam for the good of the family.

“It was my two older children who stopped me. My son said `If you want, you can go ahead. I do not want to be a Muslim’. He is a bold child… but my children were right… why should we convert?” she said.

She lashed out at the glitch in the country’s religious laws and condemned the government for not acting quickly on the matter.

To date, the government has given no indication on when it would amend the laws governing such religious conflicts.

Indira’s lawyer, M. Kulasegaran, recently said that he would bring the battle back to Parliament again soon, and blamed the legislative body for not moving fast to solve the deadlock.

In the meantime, Indira’s fight continues in the courts.

Today, the Ipoh High Court will hear Mohd Ridzuan’s application for a stay of the custody order granted by the civil High Court to Indira.

But the feisty 35-year-old said she was ready to do just about anything to win custody of her children, especially baby Prasana.

“There is no fight too difficult for me to handle, I will not give up, not surrender because my children’s futures are at stake here. I love them too much,” she said.

She said that she intended to fight this to the very end, even if it meant challenging the country’s 52-year-old system.

The system, Indira firmly added, may fail, but never the love of a mother for her children.

Inter Religious Understanding Committee coming soon

April 6th, 2010
|  Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe to poobalan.com by Email


Not sure how this committee is going to function. I’m still waiting  for some numbskulls who will be protesting on the basis of some supremacy nonsense to start their drama.

Its good that the minister says committee should not be having politicians, but the chairperson herself is an ex-MP, so it doesn’t really seem to be politically independent. Probably need to get a declaration from the committee members that they are not members of any political party as first criteria. However, this is Koh Tsu Koon’s justification (guess we have to take it at face value):

Koh elaborated that Ilani was the right person for the job.

“She is a hajah. She is the former MP for Kota Bahru but she has not been active politically for quite a while. Very significantly, she has been in good personal contact with all the major religious leaders in the country.

The Star reported as inter faith committee (article title) when in fact its not:

“We don’t want to call it an inter-faith panel, but a special committee to promote understanding and harmony among the various faiths.

“The idea of the committee is for the members to hold informal dialogues, not on only one issue, but also matters such as inter-marriages, religious conversions as well as custody of children.

“The committee will exchange their views and we will get feedback and get a better understanding on religious issues,” he told reporters at the Parliament lobby on Tuesday.

Malaysiakini reports:

An ‘Inter-religious Understanding Committee’ is being set up under the National Unity and Integration Department to promote harmony between the different religions in the country, Minister in Prime Minister’s Department Koh Tsu Koon told Parliament today.

“It is a committee to promote understanding and harmony, straightforward. Purely leaders of various religions sitting together with the relevant government departments. Let the religious leaders with all their spirituality sit down and have a dialogue.”

Koh (left) said the committee would be chaired by Ilani Isahak, the former MP for Kota Bahru, and would comprise senior representatives from the Islamic Development Department (Jakim), the Institute of Islamic Understanding (Ikim) as well as from the Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST).

Koh said the special committee was not a rigid structure and was just a framework to provide an interaction and interchange of ideas.

If we take two representatives from each group/religion, then it should be 2 from Jakim, 2 from Ikim, and two each from Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Taoism for a total of 14 members. If one each, then its 7 in total. Or if “imbalanced” representation is used, then expect the number of people from Jakim+Ikim to be more than the total of others.

How about lesser known faiths like Bahaism, the indigenous people’s faith, Jainism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism etc?

So, would Indira Gandhi get her baby back? Would her children still be Hindus? Would converts who repent able to return to their original religion? Would there be a legal mechanism to monitor conversions? My expectation is for such a committee to “help” solve these kind of problems by providing the right inputs to cabinet, and I don’t think it will be wrong to assume that right-thinking Malaysians would expect the same. Anything less, and its would be just another empty talk and waste of tax payers money.

Academy to train local priests

April 5th, 2010
|  Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe to poobalan.com by Email


15 years ‘toying” with idea. Great! One wonders what was the hurdles that created much toying time. Anyways, the first step of setting up the academy has been done. Next is to find students and start the training I guess. It pays quite well to be a priest, so school leavers may want to consider this as a career option as well.

An academy has been set up to train and accredit Hindu priests in the country in a move to reduce the number of foreign priests from India.

Human Resources Minister Datuk Dr S. Subramaniam said the Government had been toying with the idea of setting up such an academy for more than 15 years.

”At present, there are people practising locally as temple priests with various types of training which are very confusing.

”With the setting up of an academy, there will be a national body to recognise and accredit the priests,” he said after launching the academy at Jalan Pasar in RPT Jelapang Tambahan here yesterday.

He said at present, there were 350 priests from India serving at various local Hindu temples in the country.

“But there is a need for thousands of priests,” Dr Subramaniam said, admitting however that the local Hindu community might take some time to get used to the idea of having locally trained priests.

Dr Subramaniam said the Hindu Priests Association would be in charge of the syllabus which had been drawn up after consultation with leading institutions in India.

He said under the syllabus, it would take five years to become a full-fledged priest.

“There are five grading, allowing those at each level to perform different functions,” he said, adding that, for example, those who passed Grade One could perform the worship ritual pooja while those with Grade Five could consecrate new temples.

Telegu community celebrate New Year with prayers and celebration

March 23rd, 2010
|  Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe to poobalan.com by Email


It was a sight to behold as Telegu devotees led a procession carrying a palanquin with the statue of Lord Venkatachalapathi around the Batu Caves Venkata-chalapathi temple three times.

The procession was held similarly in 350 temples around the country to commemorate the Telegu New Year Ugadi that fell on March 16.
The Telugu community hails from Andhra Pradesh, a state in South India and Ugadi is one of their most important festivals.

It’s believed that one of the important Hindu deities, Lord Brahma started creation on this day.

“According to Hindu mythology, the sixty Telegu Namasa-mvastharas are repeated in a 60-year cycle and this year will be the Sri Vikruthi Naama,” Telegu Association of Malaysia vice president S. Venkatasan said.

On this day, the Telegu community starts their day at the break of dawn.

After their bath, they dress in new clothes and decorate their homes with mango leaves. This is followed by prayers and later the younger members of the family will seek their elders’ blessings.

“They will then partake the Ugadi Pachadi on an empty stomach. This is to ensure their lives are balanced throughout the year,” he added.Bright and peppy: The Chiruthalu dancers performing in front of the procession.

The dish has five different tastes namely sweet, salty, bitter, sour and spicy reflecting the different emotional experiences that human beings have to go through.

Lunch comprises vegetarian dishes including Garelu (vadai), Burelu (sweet dish made from rice flour stuffed with coconut, sugar, and dried fruits), Jawa (sweet rice), Pulihora (yellow rice) and Payasam (sweet dessert).

In the evening, it is a practice to visit the nearby temples and perform special prayers along with the procession.

During the prayers it is considered auspicious to chant the Panchanga Sravanam.

More than 1000 members were seen at the temple in Batu Caves and the Sri Ramar Alayam in Selayang.

The deities used for the procession at the various temples were decked with beautiful accessories and flower garlands.

The devotees spent hours in prayers and were later entertained by the Chiruthalu (stick dance or kollatam).

“We also served vegetarian food to the devotees at the temple,” said Venkatasan.

from The Star: Telegu community celebrate New Year with prayers and celebration

The Star Editor Gunasegaram in hot soup

February 25th, 2010
|  Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe to poobalan.com by Email


I like to read Mr Gunasegaram’s articles. I still remember the ones on analysis of statistics. However, I think this time he ventured into forbidden territory. He wrote about the recent caning of 3 Muslim women over pre-marital sex.  The article is below (taken from Bar Council website as Star has removed the article):

Persuasion, not compulsion

For me and for millions of Malaysians of all races and religions, Feb 9, 2010, was a sad, black day in the history of our country [yeah, maybe or maybe not]. On that day, three women were caned legally for the first time ever in this country. They, all Muslims, were caned for engaging in illicit sex, an offence under syariah law, it was announced.

It is shocking that such sentences are being meted out for such offences. While religious laws may allow for such sentences, it is possible for judges to mete out lower sentences, especially when such “offences” are of a very personal nature and harm no one else. [that’s for the judge to decide, did the ladies appeal?]

When there are loopholes [loopholes??? this may be considered offending] in religious laws which allow such punishment out of all proportion to the “crime” committed, and which go against the sensibilities of most Malaysians, then it is incumbent upon the Government of the day to use the legislature to do the needful. Otherwise it abdicates its responsibility.

Illicit sex means sex out of wedlock and if we are all not hypocrites, we will admit that it happens all the time, among both Muslims and non-Muslims. To prescribe caning for such an offence is something that most Malaysians [but not Muslims] are likely to consider just too much.

It also opens the door for caning for more minor offences in the eyes of religious officials, such as drinking alcohol. In fact one Muslim woman, who has refused to appeal her case, is currently awaiting a caning sentence to be carried out after she was found guilty of drinking alcohol.

That case attracted international attention and made it to the front page of two international financial dailies – The Wall Street Journal and The Financial Times – on the same day last year. The current case, announced on Wednesday, is already beginning to attract world attention.

With three women already having been caned for illicit sex, the way has been paved for more caning of women in the future. That will not endear Malaysia to Malaysians, let alone foreigners who are inevitably going to equate us with the Taliban. And who can blame them? [who cares?]

And are we going to go further down the slippery road and cane women for dressing immodestly too, as has been done in some countries? [maybe..but that may very well include members of royalties, who’s-whos and fashionistas who frequently appear in Tattlers, movies, stage and TV shows.]

There are already indications that Malays, especially women, are migrating and leaving their homeland, not because they don’t have opportunities here but because as Muslims, their personal freedom is restricted – and there is danger that it will be curtailed even more.

Yes, it has been said the three women did not suffer any cuts or bruises following the caning but that is scant consolation to those who have to undergo such humiliating punishment on top of the intrusion into their personal affairs.

As if the caning was not bad enough, alarmingly they spent months in prison. One of them is still serving her jail sentence and will be released only in June.

All three were found guilty of committing illicit sex by the Federal Territory Syariah High Court, which issued the caning order between December last year and last month. Perplexingly, they were not made public at that point of time. The public had no idea of the caning before it was done.

Also, it was not clear if the women had exercised their full rights under syariah law by appealing the court’s decision.

These are behaviours which should not be treated as if they were criminal offences; but they have been. The offenders have not only been caned but also jailed, which is rather harsh punishment for something which did not harm anyone else and was done in privacy and behind closed doors.

This is clear indication that there are laws in our statute books – both syariah as well as civil – which are outdated and need to be revised[these are the offending words I guess] in keeping with the times and the recognition that individuals have personal rights.

Personal behaviour between consenting adults that do no physical harm to them and to others should not be legislated. This is in keeping with the development of personal rights throughout the world, and anything that takes away these rights is a step backwards. [more offending words]

Religion is open to interpretation, man interprets it and man can – and does – make mistakes.

Even if religious rules are flouted, we should have a system which does not mete out punishment for offences, and focus instead on rehabilitation and counselling. That will be in keeping with the universal tenet that there is no compulsion when it comes to religion.

Custodial and punitive sentences by religious courts should be limited via statutes because personal behaviour of adults is often involved and there is no hurt or harm to any others arising from such behaviour.

Religion is about persuasion not compulsion, about faith not certainty, and that is the way we should keep it. Otherwise, bigotry is going to get in the way and we won’t be following the tenets of religion but of those who choose to interpret it the way they want to.

We have all seen what happens when religion – no matter what religion – is carried to extremes and hijacked by bigots. We don’t want public flogging, we don’t want arms chopped off, we don’t want people to be stoned to death, and we don’t want people to be burned at the stake.

We have already moved way past that. Let’s not allow a small number of religious bigots to take us back into the dark ages. And for that, we all need to stand up and speak up when our individual rights are trampled upon.

Managing editor P. Gunasegaram is appalled by the number of sins committed in the name of God. [which God is he referring to? He didn’t use Allah 🙂].

While he may have had good intention on protecting Malaysia’s name in the global stage, he shouldn’t have commented on other people’s religion as he’s not qualified. Even their religion has many sects and ulamaks with differing views at times. So, better let them handle their own issues. We should just mind our own business.

The Star, obviously issued an apology, but some quarters are not satisfied. Just like we are baying for Nasir’s blood, some of the them also doing the same against The Star/Gunasegaram.

Next, I wonder what to make of those two undercover journalist who insulted Christian ceremony. It seems AG office said “No Further Action” on the investigation outcome. I hope case of Gunasegaram is not selective persecution. More on that later.