Aug 17 2007
Samy hits back at HINDRAF on memorandum
finally, something that appeared on mainstream media (the NST) about the memorandum by HINDRAF. Just some hot air and no facts as usual 
Samy Vellu hits back at Hindu Rights Action Force
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PUTRAJAYA, FRI:
MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu today launched a stinging attack against a non-governmental organisation, the Hindu Rights Action Force (HINDRAF), which claimed that the Barisan Nasional (BN) government had done little to address the woes of the Malaysian Indian community over the last 50 years.
“I must state here that if there is anything that affects the Indian community, the MIC will be there to fight it out even when we are partners of the Barisan Nasional. To me, I have never remained idle and I don’t waste time,†Samy Vellu, who is also Works Minister, told Bernama today.
The MIC supremo was asked to comment on a 18-point memorandum by HINDRAF, which was handed to the Prime Minister’s office last Sunday by the organisation’s chairman P. Waytha Moorthy, secretary V.K Regu and its legal adviser P. Uthayakumar.
Apart from stating that the Indian community was marginalised by the BN government, in the memorandum, HINDRAF also wanted an end to special privileges given to Malays. The memorandum also took a dig at Umno asking the largest political party in the country to “stop playing politics” through the “mandore†(supervisor) system by dishing out aid to the Indian community on a piecemeal basis.
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WHATAVER LA, i will give a 200% support for HINDRAF………….
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Hindraf is doing a great job addressing the problems faced by indians and bringing in to attention to the government. Politicians who have got limited capabilities should just shut up and give way to NGO’s who are not bound to anyone.. Politicians can’t do much as they must agree to their boss to remain in their post. SO
DATUK S SHUT UPand let someone do your job.. No point you representing the government and putting a show. You would only cause a big shame and prevent us indians from developing. Do you want to get the tittle BAPA KEMUSNAHAN KAUM INDIA when you step down??[Reply]
i think mr.dato should step down ASAP..he even cannot look after his own family matters….so it is extremely a big laugh when he say he is there for indian…rubbish! HINDRAF is the best way.
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he should consider taking a break it obvious his job has brought much distress and problems ruining his own family. Let someone who will do the job occupy the seat instead.
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Badawi : Dato seri apa macam ini tahun mau dapat lu orang punya undiiiii ?
Samy Vellu : Aiyoo…. Badawi lu jangan takutla, saya sudah cakap sama lu itu hariiiiii… ini tahun itu AIMST boleh cakap saya punya nama, lu tengok 5 tahun lepas apa jadi? lu punya orang tembak mati sama satu perempuan india mengandong tapi dia orang indiaaaaa undi BN juga
lagi dulu 5 tahun saya punya anak main MAIKA punya duit tapi dia orang undi juga ,Badawi lu jangan takut saya gerenti sama lu ini tahun pun itu bodoh punya india mesti undi BN juga
Badawi : Bagus! Bagus! MIC bagus!
Najib : Samy vellu ini tahun kalau BN menang lu mau kasi apa?
Samy Vellu : Ini tahun saya kasi *************, apamacam mau ka?
Najib :Aiyaaa… itu lu punya *********la dia punya ********** sudah ********* sudah ********* banyaklaaaa
Samy vellu: OH itu macam ka, kalau itu macam aaah saya kasi saya punya ********* mau ka
Najib : Tak maula
Samy Vellu : Apapasal?
Najib: Nanti satu kali masuk itu tol mau bayar
Samy vellu : tak apala saya kasi lu ********* saya punya *********
Najib : Fuyoooooo … mesti bestla! saya hari-hari ********* ingat sama dia tau ka, jahat la lu Samy vellu baru kasi tau sama gua
Samy Vellu : OK iskarang BN menang lu mau kasi apa sama saya ?
Najib : Saya kasi sama lu itu Todi india mari punya ok
Najib,Badawi,Samy Vellu: CHEEEERRRRRSSSSS!
MP: Censored due to inappropriate language
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Aiyo…no end to the his chronicles. Just a curiosity after reading his “stinging Attack”…Tax paying Indians who are contributing to nation building are still sending their children to miserable dilapitated schools, shophouse schools, etc, and these are “Kebangsaan” schools mind you. Maybe MIC should explain to the parents of these unfortunate children why is it that they being honest and hard working citizens of the country who voted for the current ruling party are getting the raw end of the deal. Also maybe MIC should explain to all indians of this country why are these schools having funding issues with the government (government that they elected) despite being “Kebangsaan” schools.
Now we have some people with b@#$s to address issues that have been plaguing our community for decades. Kindly refrain from disturbing them as they are practicing their rights as citizens of this country just as you. Not only are they practicing it but they are actually educating the indians here of their rights which they were ignorant of all this while, rights which MIC never taught the indians here. It would be very unwise to hog every indian issue in the country and maybe sometimes it would be wise to give other knowledgable and capable people a chance to contribute something to the community. We are a democracy and that means we should not be dictated.
The laws of the universe still exists…what goes around comes around. Look around and you will see.
cheers
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Well one thing 4 sure, thr is no proper leader, an indian leader especially 2 lead our community n voice out our problems n fighting for our rights. Well, its just too bad 4 us as indians 2 be born here n treated like an imigrant.Come on indians, prove that we are capable and come on guys, this is pur country n we are the citizens of this country. Well, only hindraf is exerting their fullest “force” n letting the other indians know bout wats happening here in msia. N stop being selfish n being a puppet of UMNO u MIC peeps, we only have u! If u cant help us then step down n let the one whos willing 2 fight 4 our community n sustain our presence here in this country…
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Dear all,
I have been hearing people of giving support and says we support this and that. But that’s not the real support. We should help out HINDRAF in creating awareness among our community on their rights as a Malaysian Citizen. In order to create the awareness, my friends and I have started to hand out copies of the Memorandum sent by Mr. Uthayakumar to the Prime Minister to the Indians out there in public. I hope those reading this comment would start doing that too including MP. Please do it. It could be our contribution to this good deed by HINDRAF.
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Yes Dalapathi, there are many more people that are unaware of the struggle by Hindraf and other individuals due to lack of news in media and also lack of access to internet. we can start by educating our family and friends. even so called university graduates or professionals sometime are living under coconut shell, oblivious to whatever happening around them, what more with those in villages or rural areas.
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yes !! u guys are right. finally, there are someone there are leading us to the right path. let hold hand together, to get our right not just for us but for our future generation. don’t let them (our kids n so on ) to be lost in all these gimmicks.thank mr uthayakumar .
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i support hindraf 1000%
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emm..we indians need our rights..we can’t be backward like how we r now..
the talent tat indians have is cannot be sho=wn out widely..
doesn’t mean tat if indians r less in a country,their idea and talent r not important..
so lets speak out n fight 4 our rights..
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Hindu valga, HINDRAF valga.
come on indian friends, wake up … support our indian community.. … ……. …….
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MP: edited to remove inappropriate language.
Come guys, Pray hard that the HINDRAF must get a good response… Malaysia politicians wil get big consequences over this… I dun kNw Dato samy vellu ********… makan duit… ****… HINDRAF rules……. Come on indians, lets fight for our rights and gone opportunities…… ask the malaysia gov…
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I gave my 1000% support for Hindraf. They should not merely consider for a speak with our self-proclaimed excellent Indian Supporter and best friend Dato Samy Vellu. Good say.. he cant event look after his family but determine on looking after the hindu community of malaysia.. yea right!
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DESTROYMIC…!DESTROYUMNO….!DESTROYBN….! SAFE THE INDIANS…! SAFE OUR TEMPLE….! LONG LIFE HINDRAF…![Reply]
Bravo HINDRAF…….
We are giving our full support for all your great movements……
Dear friends..pls support .Lets..FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS….
ELUNTHIRAE TAMILA….NAALAI ULEGAM SEIVOM..
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Well it seems like a lot of us share the same feelings and realise we do not have proper people to represent us in Malaysia. UMNO changed leadership,MCA changed leadership so why the hell can`t Dato kindly step a side and give MIC a new shot of life.
We are not against Barisan or the law as what is percieved by many.We want to be heard and we want to accepted as part of this country.Is that wrong to ask ??
If Barisan allows MIC to field candidates who haven`t done anything for the community then I`m definitely not going to vote for them .I wonder how many of u are going to ????
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finally there r sum1..to fight for our rights…we should support them…n b wit them..we should fight 4 our future generation…i dun think so…MIC is playing their role in a proper way…as i noe…so far…most of MIC ppl r SELFISH…GREEDY…n not really care bout our community…if they play their role in right way…i’m sure we indian wont b like a slave in a own country…they exchange our rights 4 their needs…i’m not a anti MIC or wat…but frm wat i saw…they failed to do their duty…they failed in brought up our community….n they drunk wit money…power..selfishness….n wit a god’s grace…there someone who concern bout our indians rights…n willling to fight 4 us…salute….we indianz alwiz there to support HINDRAF…..valga indianz…valga HINDRAF….
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I am elated that finally our people are speaking out what they have been harbouring over 50 years.The chinese and the malays are also harbouring disatisfaction.No point surpressing people.There must be freedom of expression so that real isues are revealed and addressd.Ruling the country with emergency and ISA and official secret act will contribute to a time bomb in surpressed emotions.Sooner this is realised sooner the solution can be found.I agree that MIC stands for “My Indian Company”Shame on the present leaders who cling on to power thinking that they are the ultimate saviours.
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All indians, dont forget to come british embassy this 25th nov(sun). Hope all indians will support HINDRAF.
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Shame on you samy…pls.step down for goodness of indian community..I support 100% Hindraf.
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Barisan Goverment is ********* ….please for god sake
change it..the rakyat is suffering..selangor MB is another stupid fellow instead of helping his citizen..he is wasting time by demolishing temple’s..i think he is having less work in his office or he is orang kurang waras..
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indian wake up ask for our rights don’t let mic **** make us as hamba abdi
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Bloodmates,
On the helm of these atrocities, please relate your support to the only group representing us and making it visible at the international platform.
The recent Bersih protest has tarnished the nation’s stand on democracy and the world is watching on the next course of action by the goverment. Meaning to say, after the reckless conduct which had a broadway screening on the news (international), the Malaise-an goverment will spare the rods for the next protest, supposedly to show that the democracy prevails here.
Hence, this is the best timing, judging by years of nuisance cover-ups and conduct, to march the streets to extend our support the group.
Rather than taking the struggle to the streets on a calm occasion where you coud be sighted for unlawful assembly and have chemical sprayed-on, it is best to do it while the eyes are on the nation.
Go for it….if not now, when?
-kattaboman
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The other day when I attended the meeting in Banting, there were thousands of Indians. Some looked like gangsters, some too young , some too old, girls , mothers, rich and poor. But for the first time , I saw ONE LOVE, ONE SPIRIT, ONE DETERMINATION.
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Vanakam vaalgha valamuden!Whatever,I will always give 100% support to HINDRAF.I hope other’s also will do the same things.Vaalgha tamil. . . !
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Happy Deepavali…vaalgha tamilan….vaalgha hindraf..Strive for success..see U all on 25th.
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Check out this blog..very well written,he really has an idea on what he is talking about although it’s contradicting with what we as Indian’s will normally voice out.
http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007/08/samy-vellu-says-hindrafs-allegations.html
Nevertheless, we have enough Indian’s in this country to fight for our rights, but after reading this blog, i found out there is still not enough Indian’s with the same mentality in Malaysia.
It’s a shame that even after all this while we still have some Samyvellu supporter’s voicing out in blog’s.
Hindraf Valge!Indians Valge!Hindraf Valge!
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To tell you the truth, I had never been interested in the issue of INDIAN’s in M’sia until I knew there was a force called “HINDRAF”. Now almost everyday I talk about them and the issues our community are facing. I keep my self updated and also make sure all my friends & family are aware of it.
Why????
Because, if it’s not now then when are we going to fight for our vanishing right??? We have been marginalised up to the extend our rights is been threaten. Tomorrow is not a choice; it’s what we have done today to make our ppl aware about HINDRAF’s objective !!
Let’s not waste our time talking about someone who has spend thousands on his “hair make over” and stealing our life time savings…u know who I meant!! He is not even worth a penny and we all know that. There is a say ” Empty vessels makes more noise”. Let him say what he wants to say. He will say it and even more, but what he will never realise is that, we (INDIANS) aint gonna STOP until justice is prevailed.
I’ve never been this proud to be an INDIAN.
“Live like an INDIAN and die like one” !!!!!
Regards,
Royal INDIAN
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vaalgha tamil..lets 2gether strive for success….
en uriye inte indian makkal sotham.HINDRAF is a sun(suriyan)lets all the indians feel the heat of our success.put ur step in for our future.pray to god our suriyan(HINDRAF)must shine forever.I PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN.JAI HIND.
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Dear fellow Malaysians,
If HINDRAF can garner enough support from the Malaysian Indians captains of industry and see to it that the estate dwellers are given opportunities to improve their lot and escape slavery from there, chances are that the poverty levels will be reduced from amongst the Indians living here in Malaysia.
I speak Tamil but have yet to learn how to read or write the beautiful language.
Tamil needs to be spoken as it should be and I see the majority of Malaysian Indians speak ‘cinema Tamil’ which is at times crude and crass to the ear.
Tamil culture and Tamil literature needs to be given a revival here in Malaysia itself and more classes be provided by bodies such as HINDRAF and the Malaysian Hindu Sangam to inculcate a resurgence in the appreciation of Tamil to all Malaysians.
HINDRAF needs to also look into the root causes as to why the Malaysian Indians are facing unnecessary problems like the demolition of illegally built temples.
HINDRAF must not wait for the MIC or PPP to do things for the Malaysian Indian population.
When HINDRAF starts carrying out productive and positive programs to upgrade the lives of the Malaysian Indians through whatever means, slowly but surely the nation will start to take notice and HINDRAF might even have a political base to take over from the rhetoric spewing MIC.
Actions speak louder than words.
Ignore the castigations of Samy Vellu and go achieve these short term goals to improve the Malaysian Indians lot.
Once you achieve a certain level of accomplishments, slowly but surely your aspirations to help improve the lives of your fellow Malaysian Indians will be a shining beacon of excellence that will give credence to your lot than just make inroads here online.
This is my personal viewpoints and meant to inspire the leaders of HINDRAF to get their priorities right.
Start small and end up big instead of going the demonstrations and protests way. Serves no purpose but to paint yourselves as anti-peace and troublemakers which I surely hope HINDRAF is not!
Get to the root of Indians lack of progress which goes back to the basic Indian households.
Most waste away their days and nights watching Tamil movies and emulate the bad instead of the good that is portrayed in such movies.
Listen to how the Malaysian Indian youth speak and act. Does it not remind you of Tamil movie scripts?
We need to see progress amongst the Indians of Malaysia. HINDRAF can help them out if the leaders of HINDRAF practice what they speak of..which is to improve the lives of the Malaysian Indians.
My best wishes to all my fellow Malaysians here.
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vaalge tamil valarge tamil makkal….
inthe pooratham ellaa malaysia vaal indiayargaluku
oru vidi velliyage irukathum…
muthalle naame eduke vendiya theermanangal
malaysiyaavil irukire naame
ilanthu kondirukire urimaigalai paathukaake vendum
ilanthu poone urimaikaake pooradevendum
pooraduvathu enbathu ellarum paakaramaathiri
ilaai maraimugamaage,thanthiramaage, vivegamaage,
arivoodu,thooranooku sinthanaiyoodu,evaraiyum paathikaathavaaru naame pooradevendum…
ithatku chaandru chinese makkalai parungal
may kalavarthuku pin avange eduthe theermanam
enna??
inthe malaysiavoode economiyai avange kaiyeele
irukanumunu…eduthe theermanam
ippo athu nadakuthuthaane ….
anthe maathiri naamum seyal pathaal nichayam
20 varudthitkul inthe naathi naamum
original bumi puterathaan….
ithu ellam saathiyam aagumaa endru sonnal naame
edukevendiya kaariyangal
1)makkal idaiye ethaiyum arinthukollum pakuvam vara
vendum.
2)namakithe irukire veen perumai, pagathu,poramai,
thatperumai elathaiyum niruthanum
3)jaathi veri, mathaveri,niraveri,inaveri poondraa
alukugalai thudaitheriyanum
4)mooda nambikai,ariyaamai, thaalvu manapaanmai
suthamaa iruke koodathu
5)irai nambikai, pagutharivu, ethaiyum theera sinthithal,nithanam poondrvatriku mukiyam koduke vendum.
6)namidaiye sagothra thuvam valarke palagi kolle vendum
7)mathe inathai uyarvaage nanudaiye inathai thalvaage
ninaikum manapanmaiyai vithuvide vendum…
8)ulaganadapugaluku mukiyam kodukevendum
9)satha cinema , koothu ,kumaalam poondrevathiku
athigam mukiyam thuvam kodupathai kuraithu kolle vendum…
10)Namudaye palaiye valkai muraiyai ethu nallathu
ethu thevai illathathu endru nalla sinthithu seyal
pade vendum….
11)Tamil naathu kalacharam , arasiyal nirvage murai,
cinemathanam pondravathai naame pinpatruvathai
niruthi kolle vendum yaana malaysia liftstyle and
india liftstyle oppithu paathal naame avangaloode
10 years muniku irukiroom.
12)tamil palikoodam namudaiye india samuthayathitku
aani veer athai thanir ootri uram poothu valarke
venduyathu indiayargalaane namudaiye kadamai..
13)namudaiye inam perukathai athigarike muyachikanum
kuripaa ilam vayathile aan pen thirumanam seithu
kole vendum…athatku thirumane semipu endra
thithatai naame uruvaki kolle vendum as like
tabung haji maathiri
14)namuku endru oru stongaa vangi (bank) amaithu kolle
vendum
15)arivulle , anaithaiyum aravanaikum, pothunalamudaiye , thoore nooku sinthanaiyulle,
veen perumaiyai virumbaathe,inthe malaysia india
samuthaiyathai maikum nalle maipanaage “thalaivarai”
makkal adaiyaalam kandu thalaivaraake vendum..
aage ithu ellam nadaimuraiku vanthaal
nichayam 10 varudathitkul namudai
malaysia samuthaayam oru siranthe samuthayamaage
maaramudiyum
malaysia tamilanaage irukum naan
inthe samuthayam uyarthe naan thayaar…
ithai vaasikum anbu sagothar ,sagothariyea neengal
thayara?????
“pooruku sellum veeran verum aayuthathai mathu
nambinaal poothathu vivegam , irai arul , thannambikai,endre aayuthathaiyum edruthu sendraalthaan pooril velle mudiyum.”
“theeramaage sinthiyunga” veeramaage seyal padungal”
kadavul namudaiye samuthaayathai aasir valanguvaar.
VALGE TAMIL VALARGE TAMIL SAMUTHAAYAM…
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Talaivargaluku kadavul kodukum
ARULUM & SAABAMUM
NAATHU THALAIVARAAGE IRUPAVARGAL
KADAVUL THARUM UNATHAMAANE KODAI
ATHAI KADAVUL PIRATHINITHIYAAGE
IRUNTHU MAKKALUKU SEVAI SEIYUM
NALLE ULIYANAAGE IRUKANUM
Jesus Say: “unggalil thalaivanaage
iruke virumbuvan muthalil makkaluku nalle
paniyaalanaage iruke vendum” endraar.
THALAIVANAAGE IRUPAVARKU
IRUKE VENDIYA THAGUTHI
AVARURAIYE SAMUTHAYAM THAMUDAIYE PILLAIGAL
ENDRE UYARTHE ENNAM VENDUM
THANALAM KARUTHAATHE TIYAGIYAGE IRUKANUM
ITHAI MARATHE THALAIVANUDAIYE VALVU ENNE AAGUM??
ithoo kadavul tharum saabangal
1)Kadavulin sinathitku aalavar
2)thee nagaramaane “naragathil” thaluvaar
3)avanudaiye pugal thadam theriyaamal inthe manulagil
maraithu poogum
4)avanudaiye saabe keadu avanudaiye pillaigal avanudaiye vaarisugal athavathu 7 thaimurai vanthu vilum…
5)avanudaiya iruthi maranam mige kodumaiyaage irukum
saandru (IRAG PRESIDENT :SADAM HUSEIN , NAZi:HITLOR
iruthi saavu)
6)ella thalaimuraiyeelum makkalaal igalthu pesum pechiku aalavar
SELVAM SERKUM NOKATHITKAAGE THALIVARAGE VIRUMBUBAVAN
KADAVUL MATHIYEEL VERUKE PATHAVANAAGE AALAGUVAAN
AAGE THAIVARAAGE IRUKUM KAALATHILE SENJA THAVATHAI MARANTHU INIYAAVATHI SAMUTHAAYAM MUNERUVATHUKU
PADUPADE MUYACHIKE VENDUM
MANAM MAARINAAL UNAKU PARALOOGAM
MANAM IRUGINAAL UNAKU SAABAM
ETHU VENDUM UMAKU??
NIRNAIYAM SEIVATHU
UNUDAIYE MUDIVU
VALGE TAMIL
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We are fighting for our rights. Thats what we want. We need all the indians out there to support HINDRAF.We shouldnt show any gangsterism on 25th Nov’07 but we should seek our rights in peace n harmony way. I will support HINDRAF 10000000%…..
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I will support HINDRAF 100% AND Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu but Indianz should not be toooooooo calm
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In short message, here it goes……..
One indian voice is equivalent to shut the mounth of 1000 ****. Let the goverment enjoy and encourage the **** to invest in KTM (kuda, toto, magnum)sitting down in mamak coffe shop spending time instead of booming country economic growth.
Jai hind………..
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Vale ninaital valelam. Valiya illai bumi lei.
Endru konjum tattuva padaleiyin vasanam unggallukku nyavegam kattigiren.
Manasu vachha ethaiyum unggal lage sathika mudiyum.
Yen manapura venduggal unggal yellorukum.
Munneri vanggel. Unggalage mudiyum!
Valge Malaysiya Indiya Tamil Makkal.
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MP: I think it was traded for more deputy minister posts. remember reading it somewhere.
Dear fellow indians,
If my history is good, i thk we have two indian ministers at the begining, but how come now we have one and only Datuk S ( looks like he will never step down unless his son velpari take over)
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Oops!! Missed out this…
HINDRAF valgha ! HINDRAF valgha !
Thumbs up to HINDRAF lawyers …
You guys have done a gr8 job …
May god protect you’ll alwayz !!!
I hope all indian will unite for the sake of our next generation … PLEASE!!!!
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MP: i think the folks are thinking logically. why join something that has not shown results befitting it? better one support something that seem to give hope, right?
I view HINDRAF as a complementing function. without them, MIC will still be a slow, lumbering, relaxed entity going on autodrive. but now, it is forced into hyperdrive (or damage control) and use HINDRAF as an excuse to get more from the govt.
Hey, maybe Hindraf was set up by MIC themselves! It would be a master stroke. create an enemy and then ask for reinforcement to win back the community.
i agree they should be proactive and start processed to register temples.
Think more logically folks…HINDRAF is just using the Indian community’s feeling for political purposes. If you want to help Indians, please join with all Indian organizations like MIC, MHS, YSS and others and show an united front to the others.
If they really want to help Indians, they should do some CONCRETE and not carry out some silly stunts like some Tamil movies.
To be frank I don’t trust these fellows. If they want temples not to be demolished then be PRO-ACTIVE and not just be some heroes and create a scene when the bulldozers come to demolish the illegal temples.
The population of Indians is small (7%) so we must remain united. Don’t carry out stunts like the trillion dollar suits and other serial like dramas that will do nothing to help us.
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I support HINDRAF FULLY !!!!!
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hindraf seems to the way out and up for malaysian indians…..may god bless the chiefs of hindraf with strength and resilience to uphold the indian community and make a future for all of us
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Dear mahaguru58,
i agree with your comments about hindraf’s role. probably HINDRAF have their own plans. start with temple and progress to other issues. one thing for sure, they are the hottest topic in the indian community as of today.
the street demo/memo handing over thing won’t last for long.
i think the indian man on the street support hindraf more for the inefficiencies and failure of MIC as compared to fighting for rights. they may look at Hindraf as an alternative (viable one). As long as it is not “hangat - hangat tahi ayam”, the community may support them.
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MP: I think you have been watching too many movies! Any path that leads to violence will only end up as failure, either in short or long term.
HINDRAF have been wake up the anniyan in my mind!!! wait and c what is the anniyan r going to do…..its not a joke ….i am serious on this matter…10 anniyan’s r get brutal training for war!!! ….if they break the indian temple’s there r going to answer the anniyan’s..if not
!!!!!GARUDA PURNANAM!!!!!!
THIS IS BIG WARNING FOR WHO R BREAKING THE TEMPLE
its not a joke
its serious……10 KALIYUGA KADAVAL ARE TAKEING AVATHARAM for…SURASAMHARAM……..pls for this messagge to all indian and mainly for HINDRAF MEMBER!!!! DONT WORRY DASAVATAHRAM IS GOING TO SAVE MALAYSIAN INDIAN
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Me and my family support Hindraf 100%.
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Me and my family over 50 of us fully support HINDRAF…..Our vote is for HINDRAF….Vazhga INDIANS……
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hopefully n pray to god tat hindraf will achieve their target n bring a good fortune to indians in malaysia…..no point 2 blame people v do as v can for our community….jai hind
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Go ahead HINDRAF……udal mannuku……uyir engal
tamiliku…WE are here for u always…to all the indians pls know that this is our rights..n lets hold our hand together…VALGA HINDRAF….WE ARE INDIAN..WE BORN AS INDIAN…WE LIVING AS INDIAN..N WE DIE AS INDIAN……THE GREAT HINDRAF, MAY GOD BLESS U……
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i support Hindraf fully.. we go for it as we deserve the equal rights in MALAYSIA…
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Wake up!!!!!!
Today they are demolishing temples
tomorrow they will demolish our graveyard
then your house
don’t wait until that to happend,
please, this is our time to fight for rights.
DON’T MISS IT OR YOU WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER CHANCE
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Well done Hindraf. For past 50 years we stuggle in many way. Our community leader just a boneka for Barisan Nasional Goverment which lead by UMNO. We Indians are not a migrant or third class people here. We born here. This is our country. This is our motherland. We are also BUMIPUTRA. So we must always keep quit? Let’s fight together with HINDRAF. Se u at K.L on 25 nov 2007.
Valga Tamil Makkal…
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I support Hindraf 200%….
Hindraf Valge!!!
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I’m not Hindu by religion but I am Indian all the same. It is indeed disheartening to see the works of MIC in developing the Indian community in Malaysia. They have not been proactively looking into our issues and developing corrective action plans in any way. When an Indian in Malaysia is having a problem, they have no where to go. Whereas the Chinese have MCA and the Malays have everything else.
Samy Vellu should step down and allow the younger, braver, smarter generation to lead the Indians. Samy is so afraid of voicing out the facts of our living standards cos he is so obviously afraid of losing his position. But what is there to his position when there is nothing that he has done for us to be proud of?!
We have nothing to claim in Malaysia as benefits of being an Indian as there is too much corruption within MIC and we are paying the price for it.
THANK GOD FOR HINDRAF!
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The problem with our local indians is, all of us have the famous “Short-Term-Memory” issue. Our schools are gets closed, not getting any seats at any local university, were forgotten in NEP, temples are demolished etc.. Whatever happens most of us ended up voting for them again. Maybe a week before the election, somebody must remind our people on what happen during the last 5 years.
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Why are we missing the REAL point here ? The issue is not demolishing temples but illegal temples.
It is not like we don’t have temples to pray, in fact we have more than enough temples to pray.There are more Hindu temples than mosques in the country.
Let’s solve the real issues and don’t encourage illegal and anti-social behaviour. This is not India but Malaysia. And even in India temples are being torn down daily for breaking law.
Wake up Indians….
If you really want to contribute, then stop Hindus from building more illegal temples.We DON”T need more temples but better schools and education.
MP : HINDRAF giving hope ? Hope for what ? That Indian community is a criminal and lawless society ? Have you seen the SMS and emails ? Been to their ceramah ? By resorting to confrontation and violence HINDRAF is going to destroy all that we had been working on before. They have no leverage and can get nothing done. It will only harden the position of the govt in regard to the illegal temples.
Do you really think they are trying to resolve the problems ? They are after your vote and not into solving problems. Tell me a single thing they have achieved other than talking and carrying out useless Bolloywood type stunts ? If they are sincere in solving problems then why are they refusing to accept new sites for the illegal temples ?
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I 101% support HINDRAF. We Indian must united and togather fight 4 our rights.
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Valga Hindraf!
My friends and I from up north fully support this struggle. The time has come for us to wake up from this 50-year slumber.
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To MP and killer. U do have a point. The question is why aren’t Chinese temples or other structures demolished. The point is when you go to the bank for a loan, you get denied because u are not a Bumiputera. (Try Maybank). When you take a loan from Bank Rakyat (you pay more interest). Bumi house buyers get a discount even when they are super rich. Just some examples for you and your like-minded friends to note. What kind of government matginalises the minority. There is so much discrimination and prejudice against people of the Indian ethnic origin. These are facts, not something I learnt from Hindraf or any others. All we want is equal rights as citizens of this country, respect so that our children may live in dignity.
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vanakkam. anaittu indiyargalukkaga neengal (HINDRAF) edutta intha muyarchikku engalathu panggu endrum irukkum.
We are with u, to fight for our rights.
valga tamilinam valga tamil moli.
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Those who support, please come this weekend!
Its either now or never.
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MP: Edited to remove violent comments.
hindraf valga,samy olliga.
it is time to stop all the karma,samy vellu is the malaysian indian karma and he is the real ****. we the indians must get to getter and fight for indians rights, samy vellu is blood sucker.we must ***** him soon.his time as been come,to **** this blood sucker.
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Dear Alla,
As a Chinese Malaysian, I have ofen wondered aabout the antics of Samy Velu. The mere mention of his name provokes disgust. He has clung on to power for so long that most non-Indians are of the opinion, that every one is disgusted with his leadership.
The fact that HINDRAF was formed reently and submitted a memorandum to the PM petrified Samy.Withe eleection looming so near, it is clear that Samy’ unthinkable - that there is am alternative to MIC amd Samy’s brand of leadership. A alternative voice fora the Indian communitdy frightens Samy.
Why does’nt he address the issues raised in dddthe memoarandumd. Most nond-Indians are of the view that the Banting and the Semunih forum smacks of the vile deeds of this disgustindg politician.
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come the next elections…we’ll teach the natan buggers a good lesson !!
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Valga Hindraf. Valga Tamil. Please inform all our Indian’s about the 25Th Nov gathers at British emb. bcause alot of indians are still not aware about this. I will inform my friends and relatives. Hope you all do the same. tq.
C U AT BRITISH EMBC.
VALGA TAMIL..VALARGA INDIAN..
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I support Hindraf 100%.. Valga Hindraf .. valga Indian…
Thank you HINDRAF to be there for the Indians.. May god bless you and all the Hindraf members.
I will pray to GOD that hindraf will achieve their GOLD and bring brighter future to indians in malaysia
Valga HINDRAF….
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I support 100%… u r rite.. we have been strugling to live in this country.. n i think the foreign workers especially those Indonesian workers has more rights than us.. a Malaysian just for name with out no rights… MIC is not doing anything… we must do something …
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we should fight for our right’s by studing hard
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My first comment:
We must collect RM100,000 (RM1 per head) on 25/11/2007 peacefull rally…..and donate that money to Samy…. cause he is very poor to reunite his family, that’s why he mumble a lot in today’s star paper, which I felt very sad about, and hope at last he live happy ever after. Tamilannakku thanmaanunthaan mukkiyam….. Panatha paarthaa vaai polakke…. naanga onnum ponam illa… (SAMY ille)
My second comment:
After we win…. 1st Action Samy you step down u old man… we have enough tolerated ur stupid action since 50 years…… so at last we IDIANS personally feel our independence without u…… GET LOST!!!!
VAAZHGA TAMIL…… ALINJIII POH MIC
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MIC = Malaysian Indians are Colonized
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As of this year the immigrant population has exceeded the population Indians.
We are now considered 4th class citizens after the indons and banglas…indons and banglas are considered superior because they are muslims…
the british government has abandoned its baby and left it to become a slave to the ruling party UMNO.
UMNO dishes out the left overs falling from their filled tables for us to pick up..as scraps to which we must say thank you..
If the Queen has a conscience she must act.
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MP: edited due to comments on SV’s family.
As a hindu we should support HINDRAF do not bother MIC they can’t do anything for the community they are playing KATTABOMMAN role in this country. Samy vellu doesn’t know how to manage his own family then how we can expect him to lead the indian community…? look at his ****************. We’re really struggling in this country please do not vote BN anymore lets work together for our rights, they could demolish the temples but they can’t demolish Hinduism Long life HINDRAF we’re in the right direction with the blessing of god.
Inbame soolga ellorum vaalga…..
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MP: Edited due to comment’s on SV’s family.
Samy vellu:saya mahu itu Hindraf kasi saya sikit duit kalau dia orang menang itu kes…saya pun india juga
MIc branch members:Dato kita orang semua pun mahu la duit…..
Samy vellu:u orang saya sudah kasi makan itu Maika punya duit tak ada cukup ka?
MIc branch members:Dato kita orang pun mahu boleh pergi ka 25haribulan november?
Samy vellu:tak boleh!tak boleh!kita orang makan tulang sisa baki barisan nasional…mesti support pak lah…
Mic branch members:Dato jangan ini macam la….
Samy vellu:apa macam u mahu…..?ok saya kasi u orang tengok free itu ************ video…anda-anda mari 25 haribulan dekat pwtc Mic meeting…saya mari bikin open ceromany…
Mic branch members:fuyoo.thank you dato.ini sudah 20 kali kita orang tengok itu video..banyak best valga dato! valga dato…
Samy vellu:ok! ok!..saya punya ********….*********..kasi tahu sama saya…itu hari saya punya anak ************ punya pun saya sudah cover itu kes…
Mic branch members:aiyooo!dato banyak pandai
Samy vellu:itu pasal saya duduk sama kerusi 50 tahun
Note:MIC.baisan nasional,or mca..have rule the country for 50 years……v say that malaysia have
merdeka for 50 years from british…but now v r ruled by this so call penjajah….lets all get together and merdeka our self from this dirty politicians……..
Support Hindraf….100%…..and support hinddu 1000%……….life as hinddu..die as hinddu
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MP : Edited for profanity. KNV, try to be more polite next time.
I support 100% HINDRAF. Samy Velu the time come for U to **** Off from Malaysia. U had make Indian People suffering. Pls ask your self U KNOW THE actual story PLS..PLS…PLS…PLS…GET LOST FROM MALAYSIA
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MP: “discriminate’s HINDRAF(ESPEACIALLY KILLER N MP)” - Me?
LETS STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS ! dont ever bother bout those who discriminate’s HINDRAF(ESPEACIALLY KILLER N MP)..they(HINDRAF) are on a right move,we all know that…so INDIAN’S ! LET’S UNITE.
MIC ! BALIK KAMPUNG TANAM JAGUNG LER………….U R GONNA GET SCREWED ON THIS COMING ELECTION…HAHAHAHA
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MP: Not sure how you think I’m sent by pro samy. maybe you have to reread my blog :). btw, Hindraf did say that they want to get attention of international bodies as a sort of pressure to the govt and open the eyes of the world to the indian community’s plight. that’s why their letters are sent to many international and foreign address. maybe you misunderstood my meaning of “attention” or i did not write well enough. my apologies. what hindraf is doing, is something that makes MIC scared. the hindraf guys are smart. they strategise on all fronts - international, grassroot, and the internet. i respect them for that.
I really hate giving comments on issues that are of extreme subjective, but i think our current problem is objective and very clear. There are no reasons for others to go around the irrelevant justification, to stop some good things from happening…. Maybe killer and mp are the people sent by the pro samy to redirect the community that is becoming aware of their current status…
Hindraf is really doing some thing…. its better that sitting in an air conditioned room…with luxurious look… and with people to guard their bodies (which is paid by us via taxes and all other rubbish reasons to cut the very low salary after hard blood dripping and heart crushing work)…. so that nothing harmful could penetrate their flesh and snatch their souls away… why do u need so many body guards when you meet your own people if you really have the genuine intention of helping the… doing good for the people?
When we work for someone… we work for them and get paid… but these people, i guess they forget that they are working for us. They get paid without our permission… cause i don’t remember voluntarily giving them my money… they got this automatic cutting method… cause they know we wont pay! Why? Cause they din do their work…
And if we don’t work properly, the boss gets someone to type the letter and make sure we are out of his premises… and give the job to someone more compatible… i guess thats wat we are doing now… we don’t need such an incompatible employee.. who is representing us… and we have to retire on certain time for new people to come with fresh ideas irrespective of how creative we were.. so i guess its the perfect time for the great samy’s reign to be put to an end… someone with fresh thinking should enter the frame…
come on guys… i don’t want you to work for me nor do i want you to represent me.. fighting in the all those layers of dewan… just step down.. you are the perfect example for what we call thick skin.
Bollywood stunts work on you… why? You were the one with make ups- a fake hair for your bald head…stiched… first sign of good acting and permanently sealed faults… there is no acces to you filty work….
There is a saying that goes like this…
Diapers and politicians need to be changed frequently, for the same reason.
I believe there a plenty of organisations out there, seemingly fighting for Indian rights… but nothing seem to have improved… thing got from good to bad, bad to worse, and worse to extremely worse… before things get extremely ugly, sometime different seem to begin to happen..
Everyone prefers some action than mere lame promises….
And if they were to form a new party … they have my vote.. no doubt in that..
About tamil movie sentiments and stunts… i think they took the good ones… something has to begin from somewhere… than just sitting back and saying Mr A is wrong and Mr B could have done better… i don’t think i can die for the community, but i can appreciate some good work and give my full support for them… by thinking logically and rationally…
And about too many illegal hindu temples… i think there is a lot of thing that one have to think and consider before talking about it… And registering them.. why didn’t the existing organisations register them earlier… why do they have to show that they exist, when someone else show up and say,†i can do it for you†Where have these existing org been all these days? So, which is politics… fighting for right’s is not a competition of who should do it or who shouldn’t … its a matter of whether you are doing it or not…
And mr killer..
We have been put in a situation where we were have been anti social all these day by various rules and laws.. that shuts us up… “don’t ask question.. just do what is told to do…â€
I guess we have just started to socialise.. that’s why we know too many things… and we are questioning them… cause we learnt that we have the right to ask why, how, for what, for whom etc…
About building better schools and education… i guess u missed the funding issue and how poor the Tamil schools are with extreme inappropriate facilities… and the university intake discrimination… i guess those things will be an issue every time the PMR, SPM and STPM result comes out…hope u check that out the next time!
Once again mr mp,
I don’t think hindraf is giving hope or trying to get the attention of the world…. i strongly believe that they are doing wat was in the mind of most Indian in this country…i could exclude u… but they are our voice and definitely they will have our support and love as their strength…
About their achievement…. i guess they manage to get the attention of the Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth II… that is pretty impressive… not something easy.
At the end of this site, the is the list of people who seem to get the attention:
http://www.policewatchmalaysia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1195120362&archive=&start_from=&ucat=9&
Royal’s dont come down to listen personally from public, unless they consider it of very high importance and serious… cause they have much more important obligations… esp when it is on Sunday…than simply being impressed by Bollwood stunts… i hope its logic..
Hindraf had just started… i guess they will do more for the community…
And people…
Things have started to happen … and you cant turn back halfway… this is a one way road…
Hindraf had started it for us, now we support them till the end…
Whether you support or not, all of us will face the same consequences if they failed… The government and public do not look at things like this : Muthu supported, so we put him in trouble and Maniam did not support, so lets take him with us and give him a better live….
They are going to see it as a whole community… There are only 2 probabilities to this thing; all of get our rights and live happily, or all of us go down with more trouble…
It looks like, whatever thats gonna happen… all Indians in this country would experience the same impact… so, practically thinking… we better do some it together, and face it together….
I hope u pray hard they succeed…
At least, if you don’t gain financially, you still get the world to know how your parents and grandparents had to struggles in this country for the past 50 years… and your grandchildren could plan something better…
Support the well being and rights of Indians in this country…
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MP: i agree that malay houses were demolished as well. the surau was given time to clear. while temple demolition was an act of provocation, WITHOUT notice. that’s the difference.
NEP is one of the main reason. due to NEP, imbalanced distribution happened. not all chinese are rich (i quote MCA chief). yet, they have strong economic power and and are able to sustain that for the last 30-40 years. for the rest of the poorer section, there’s no proper help or only selective assistance based on color.
are you referring to tengku kelana, jln dato hamzah, etc. just few roads in klang, a district with population of nearly 90K? how about the rest of klang? or try shah alam.
everytime talk about indian success, only AK is mentioned. i think his success makes the data skewed. there are also few others like tony, kasi, etc.
i think those supporting hindraf have realised other avenues have failed. MHS are now only trying to stop temple demolishments by negotiations. their press releases are not even given a second look by anyone. does Chamber of Commerce fight for tamil schools and social development or more chances to be given in projects? how seriously are they taken? there’s many more EWRF, bell club, JIBA, Tamil foundation etc. if any of the organisations can come forward and publish their achievements/contributions, then it is possible to evaluate.
actually, as a malaysian indian, some of hindraf’s allegations are quite baseless…they claimed that the authorities demolished the hindu temple and indian squatter houses and left the malay houses alone, which is not true…go to mkini and you can see videos of the poor malay souls who saw their homes crumble in front of their eyes. Moreover, a surau was demolished too. The 1 million compensation for every Indian is over ambitious, and I do not like the idea of Hindraf making it into a racial issue by asking the PM to abolish the NEP. Of course, the NEP has its flaws, but it is true that the Indians are backward due to the NEP, why are there still Malays in similar plight? Instead of being progressive like the Chinese (they are non-Bumis too) Indians and Malays have to find a way out of this. The economic pie is shared among the races, where the non-Bumis enjoy a lion’s share of the cake. If the NEP is truly a deterrent, drive along Klang and see Indian businesses and beautiful bungalows flourishing. If the NEP was the sole reason for the Indians’ lacklustre image, there would be no Ananda Krishnan, one of Msia’s richest men. Think about it - the Indians need to move on from self pity and organizations like Hindraf should EDUCATE these people so that they can achieve success. There are numerous Indian organizations like the Hindu Sangam and Indian Chamber of Commerce. So before you say we do not have anything, at least explore all avenues first before taking drastic measures. God bless!
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Vaalga HINDRAF…Do our part right now with HINDRAF
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Yen Iniye Indian Makkale…….open your eyes,release all your emotional feelings and be brave to stand strong and unite as an M’sian Indian. Be proud there are still some people who care and concerns our existance in this country. Look back what the nattans has done to our Indian communities…where do we stand today…….? Do other races acknowledge our existance in this country…? Let’s teach them the lesson………lets show to people who we are……challenge our stausquo……lets stand together to achieve our end in mind…….our goal….our rights….
My recognition to the HINDRAF initiatives who brave enough to do something out of box thinking by Going to British Comm in England to fight for the plights of our indian makkal in M’sia. HINDRAF Team!Remember…..proceed and come with joyous victorious! victory is belongs to U! Whatever it is….my full support will always be there….
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gram:
It is true that a certain segment of the Muslim community suffers the same fate as the Indians. I have personally seen the Malay squatter area in Tmn. Paramount, PJ being demolished sometime in 1996/1997. But what I feel the fight here is not just about the demolishing of temples/houses. It is about the discrimination we have been put through.
Like Anzkhayeekha said, we have the smallest portion of the cake when it comes to passing marks in major exams, entrance into universities, government subsidised loans, etc. WHY?
Just so you know, I am not making this up to garner pity for the Indian community. I have an aunt who is a teacher and she marks SPM papers. Teachers have been give strict instructions to segregate the answer sheets according to the religion of the student. Doesn’t it make you wonder why? An example: for Add Math in SPM, passing mark for a Muslim is only 10%, for the non-Muslims is 25%. How many Muslims you know who failed Agama Islam in SPM? They don’t. As per my Muslim friends, the paper is actually very easy. They get an A1 and during times when aggregates mattered, it was easier to obtain a Grade 1!
I did Form 6 for a bit and there was a Chinese classmate of mine with 10A’s. His request for a government loan was rejected. He eventually applied for a seat in a private college and guess what? The college gave him a 100% scholarship.
So where is the fairness and equality here? The student quota for a local university has been dominated by the Muslims and once again, the Indians have the lowest share.
Speaking of Ananda Krishna, he is one of the greater Indians in Malaysia who has achieved a lot. But surely there would have been some inclusion of Muslims in his bids to put his businesses out in the open. Who are we to tell? Another friend of mine has just decided to open a small business but he cannot apply for the government subsidized funds for SME’s unless he has a Muslim “shareholderâ€.
Now, if you would like to compare the difference between the Chinese and the Indians, I have my thoughts on it too.
Have you looked up on the history of Chinese and Indian migration to Malaya? Please refer to:
1. http://www.indianmalaysian.com/new_millennium.htm and
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Malay_nationalism
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Indian - Large scale migration, Occupational divisions & Geographic distribution
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ill-treatment_of_Indians_in_Malaysia
Now, having read all that, you could question how is it that the Chinese have achieved what they have and not the Indians. Well, have you seen the how active MCA is when a complaint about a certain issue is brought to their attention? Just for a second, imagine if you had to go to MIC. That would be life’s biggest joke right?
Here you are going on about the Hindu Sangam and Indian Chamber of Commerce. So what have they done for you? Do we need to go running to them before they realize that we are being treated as the “Underclass� Don’t they already know or are they blind? So what if HINDRAF takes this up themselves? Would you spend thousands from your pocket to help the community? I highly doubt it. MIC would not do it either. So we are left dry with no where to turn to. Hmmm… any other avenues open for us to seek some amount of fairness instead of dwelling in “self pity�
Oh, let us not forget, Ms. Revathi Masoosai @ Siti Fatimah. Have you read the articles on her struggle? Guess who have been championing her rights? The CHINESE! Where is your Hindu Sangam, Indian Chamber of Commerce, and bla bla bla?
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Why Indians still not as progressive as the Chinese can be seen from the comments posted here.
Hitler declared, “We think with our blood” and we all know what happened to him and his Third Reich….
There is too much emotion and very little thinking involved in our Indian society.
No need to speculate or accuse me being a MIC person (fyi I am not even a member). I am an Indian who made it from the poor estate to a management position in a MNC without any political connection or help.
Don’t talk about 50 years of suffering. Think back 50 years ago…most of us were still in estates and living in abject poverty. And look around now, most of us are in a decent situation economically (may be not rich but quite comfortable nevertheless). If you show me one Indian who lives below poverty line and I will show you that the fault is his/her by being lazy. I can’t understand why a Bangla or Indon who is an immigrant can own house and bangalows but we Indians keep harping about a lack of opportunities.
You think MIC never help ? Hello think again. Without MIC we will be still in rubber/palm oil estates. How many Indian can get into a public U on pure merit ? No way we can beat the Chinese on academic results and if not for Samy, we will still be tapping rubber as his constant fight helped us gain U places with special Indian quota.
You think Samy sold out ? Think again. There is no Indian in Malaysian history who is as dedicated and determined as him and rendered more service to the community. Indians have benefitted so much because of his stature as senior minister. How many Malay ministers can stand with him in terms of seniority ? Only PM,DPM and another one or two.
You think HINDRAF can help ? Do you know the leaders’ history ? You think the Malaysian govt will ever negotiate with HINDRAF ? They will NOT. All this stupid demo is going to harden the govt position. If things go out of control, forget about ever getting any help from the govt. We are already being viewed as a criminal community and these actions will only re-inforce it.
You talk about freedom of religion ? You mean you don’t have it ? Please tell me where in Malaysia Hindus don’t have a temple. In fact we have far too many temples in Malaysia. The temple demolition is a legal issue as the ones demolished are ILLEGAL, each and everyone of them. Don’t get misled by HINDRAF, there NO legal temples have been torn down.
Malaysia is the only country outside India to have so many temples and Tamil school and a vibrant Indian culture. And we are far better off than the Indians in India.
My appeal is DON’T destroy the things that our forefathers and Samy Vellu build thru sweat and blood in the last 50 years by some idiotic action that led by HINDRAF.
And this suit against the British govt has 0% chance of success.All the talk about Reid Commision are lies, you can find out if you do some simple research yourself.
There are problems facing us and I don’t think we are in a situation where we are unable to talk further. I believe the present govt is a lot more open and willing to listen to our grouses. Don’t do something silly and bite the hand that feeds.
If something bad happens, the generation of Indians to come will blame HINDRAF and us for that. The future of Indian community is our hands, don’t destroy it your anger.
Think, think and think.
Remember, we are only 7%, and there is no way we can succeed with violence. Look at the Sri Lankan Tamils, you want to be like them ? That’s what will happen to us if we choose to fight. Anyway to be fair to the Sri Lankan Tamils, they were oppressed unlike us who is enjoying much economic health and social/religious freedom. But the point is if you choose to use force against a much larger majority, you can’t win.Even if you don’t lose, you will destroy the generation.
And my last advice is, for those people who think we have gotten worse in the last 50 years, please apply for PR in Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh or India. and good luck.
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MP : I suppose you got nothing better to say. whatever…
Aiyaaa machans ,,, why all this rallying lah ,, lets just go get mabuk and settle this .
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MP: edited due to profanity.
i’m not here to support anyone. but i think politics are same everywhere. what will happen if d.a.p took over? the same bloody things chinese will do to us, if p.a.s… no need to say lah. will be more worst. if indian take over! will it be like in india.
so what i’m trying to say is, just pray to god ( if there is one ).
and stop being fooled by oppsition party cause that ******* will do the same thing when they got the power.and one more thing. if indian are the majority in malaysia and malays become the minority, u think we will be fair to them. if yes , i say bull shit.
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Hello you all
banyak banyak bising kat website \ tapi have you all registered as voters yet?
No use bising kat sini, only way is bising kat poll station lagi bagus
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EXCUSE MR SAMY,
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BRITISH EMBASSY FOR $$$,
WE ARE GOING FOR OUR RIGHTS, MIND IT !!!
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im give my 100% support to hindraft,all comunity in this country should be give the equal rites,it has been 50 years of merdeka now,all races should be known as malaysian,not melayu,india,and cina anymore,we do not belong to india or china,dis is our tanah air,descrimination among races should be stopped
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hindraf should protest against our mic leaders first,our leaders r useless,we dont need such useless leaders,he’s(samy)good for nothing,wats da point being a leader for donkey years but never achive anything rather than bringing the indian comunity down,the indian comunity deserve a better leader,hindraf should really question the mic leader first before the goverment it self,there aint unity among da leaders,we should get our base cleaned first,im not being harsh but i think our datuk should seriously take up BM TUTION.
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I think we’re not asking special privileges as what the malays are earning today and we are not asking equal rights we want democracy….it’s not possible to beat BN in up coming election of course no way but we could reduce the 2/3 majority and show the goverment that we are aware of the injustice againts minorities. Please don’t hope MIC as well they can’t protect us they are dummies in Pak la’s cabinet do you remember what happened to YB Sothinathan ( Teluk Kemang MP )you’ll be sacked if you voice out. The worst part, the previous UMNO AGM was held during Deepavali period why…we are far away in term of population so they don’t bother MIC. Today every indians talking about “HINDRAF” and they realized the situation for me this is a very big victory for HINDRAF… nothing is impossible go ahead…long life HINDRAF….Inbame soolga ellorum vaalga……
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Dear Sir ( HINDRAF )WELL DONE…
Hundraf really done greet job. First Of all Datuk S Pls step down then only all Indian get live this Malaysia with peach and harmony.He one eating people money ( Maika Holding ) NOT THAT ONLY STILL GOT LOT OF PEOPLE MONEY HE AND KUNJU-KUNJU EATING.Not he only all the MIC head *********..After Dato KV5 open mouth all the Mic head doing lit bit to Tamil school. For that also Datuk Botok and kunju-kunju Headed now HUNDARF. Pls every INDIAN must Pray for Hundafr be success. Then defiantly Datuk S will be resign from MIC.. If he never step down may be he the one don’t abt the shame he the one *********. All MIC head pls remind and pls stop talking abt HUNDRAF. Let them doing working. Don’t distep them….SYABAS HUNDURAF ALL THE TRUE INDIAN SUPPORT FOR SUPPORT FOR THEM…
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Dear Lovely indian
Pls don’t vote for UMNO.
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MP: edited. Pls be a bit polite.
Dear Killer
What u talking like ******. WHAT MIC AND OTHERS INDIAN PARTY DOING FOR INDIAN. ONLY GIVE WHO EVER HAVE MONEY. ONLY GIVE WHO EVER HAVE RELETIVE WITH HEAD OF MIC.. I THINKING U ALSO GET SOMETHING FROM MIC IS’T..BUT FOR ME AND OTHERS SUPPOTER HUNDRAF NEVER GET ANYTHING.NOT ALL THE INDIAN GET EVERYTHING FROM GOV AND MIC.. DON’T TALK ABT UR SELF ONLY HERE.. THINKING ABT PEOPLE IN MALAYSIA WHO EVER NEVER GET ANYTHING.WHO EVER SUFFRING IN THIS MALAYSIA.. CAN PLS SHUT UP JOH….
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we need to unite,network and develope our indian economy.it’s time expose the discriminative and oppresive gov’t policies.the muslim govt have involved their religion into every govt policies.that is why non muslims are being oppressed.even the muslims of different politic parties are also having difficulties with the present gov’t.non muslims cannot follow muslim laws and regulation.it is against the malaysian constitution.muslims cannot force others to follow their religion.we need our own bank and funding.no more spending in other race business where possible.indian business people, do your duty for the tamil school children.create a body or association for tamil school to maintain and improve the schools. no more registering in malay islamic schools.register our children in tamil schools and navigate the direction of our tamil schools.we take responsiblity for our own tamil schools. malays can never support other religion, race or language.we need our own finance companies,cooperatives and especially our cooperative pawn shops.with cooperative pawn shops we will be the owner of the pawn shop and enjoy the profits.don’t let the tamils here end up like sri lanka!
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well done HINDRAF for ur action taken so far and v will always support u in anyway. well mr killer, from wat u have voice out, its clear that u r selfish indian citizen and u prefer to be slaves and treated like a dog forever when u say that :” WE SHOULD NOT BITE THE HAND THAT FEED US: that might be ur own concept, but not our indian peoples.Who r they to feed us? v r malaysia citizen too, well about ur statement that all action taken by hindraf is not true, i think u should buy 22/11/07 newspaper n read it.eventhough the gathering is said not permitted, its says that all these action been taken.I m really happy n glad finally somebody have bring out what had been in our society mind for decades.n for those indian who feel like they have enough in life n wealthy, n think this issue will shaken their life, just keep quiet n watch.
good luck hindraf n may god bless u all always n protect u cause there ARE not much people like u guys.
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We are group of team here support 300% on HINDRAF effort to represent overall indians in malaysia . They are right leader for us . Good job HINDRAF
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I’ve been reading postings from almost everyone here. Needless to say that most of them are now brave enough to voice out their opinions compared to few year back!
After hearing your share of views, It is only fair if you guyz get the chance to know what is happening in the Local-Uni’z!
Some of you are claiming that Local-Uni entrants are based on merit… Please enlighten me how can students (Other races [*U should be able to guess which]) are not able to communicate using English? Maybe this was a distinct case! Nevertheless, compare the loan,scholarships,postings in various association and clubs which are merely race oriented?
Even a loan@scholarship fund, named after a minister who is MOST mentioned here which was intended for helping out indians are not being distributed at ALL! reasons given? (There is no policies aligned to follow to enable the administration to allocate that loan@scholarship for Indian students). (Remarks : I let you to decide whthr this is called discrimination or not)
Most of the things that are happening in Universities are being covered up using the AUKU (Akta Universiti dan Kolej Universiti). Only we in the uni’z know the kind of discrimination that we are facing here. (But still.. there are also students who are left out (Blurred) of whats happening around them - as how one of you guys mentioned on earlier replies).
Please guys, my request is only one, enough of all this political $hits. If sumthing is intended for the future sake of fellow indians, it should be implemented in full force. Support HINDRAF, atleast we MIGHT have an itsy bitsy chance to get a brighter future. If we are to keep quite as we have ALWAYS been, our future is definitely getting gloomier!
For all those out there, don’t be selfish thinking only about yourselves.. try to look at the bigger picture.. think abt the future of your family,… your sons and daughters…
As it is that obvious that there is only two possible outcome of the 25th Nov 2007 gathering;
1. To Get A Better Future
2. To Get A ‘Aapu’ Future
we will have to decide!
If the outcome is No. 1, everyone will be happy, but if if is No. 2, let us face together knowing that all others in Malaysia and the world knows the power of Indians in Malaysia and that we indians will fight for our rights, no matter how thin the chances of winning any sort of war we are going to indulge in!
Peace to Indians in Malaysia.
Regards,
070330
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dato samy….u sudah tua.pegi tido je ler.u sudah sampai hajat utk pegi..paham!!!jahanam kau…u r blady killers 4 young youth leaders lar matcha.dun tink tz time u can escape…u cnt da matcha samy velo dei!wht..u tangeran natanz ballz ait…jz mark tz.no body will help,even god will tink twice 2 help u ***********!
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V SHUD NT SUPPORT MIC.MIC IS SUX..SAME GOES 2 BN THOU.TZ TIME VOTE BELONGS 2 HINDRAF!MR.MURTHI U R DOIN D BEZ 4 INDIANS.BT SUM INDIANZ STILL TYPICAL MINDSET.SO..DUN CR BOUT IT.V WILL BE DR 4 OUR INDIANS.MALAYS R SUCH PORTION MATTERS 4 US..V HV STRENGHT 2 DESTROY EM.PAK LA…U SUDAH KESUNTUKAN MASA.SAMY VELLO….U R CHEATER.TZ TIME U WILL NOE.THANX BUDDIES.TC.CHEERZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Dear lovely Makkallzzz ….
Pls don’t use word only we are support..pls attn on 25/11 british embassy jln ampang k.l at 9.am..
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Dear Readers,
This is a copy of a comment which i have posted on
http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007/08/samy-vellu-says-hindrafs-allegations.html
Please do read it and justify the content of the comment whether what i have said is right or wrong ?
And for those guys like “MP”, rajkumar and “Killer” May Peace be with you. God bless you guys.
And specially for Uncle Sam. I think you really need to give an explaination for all the mess which is going on regarding issues related to the indian community and best of luck for your Sungai Siput MP seat for the next GE.God bless you and your family too.
May peace be with you Brother Mahaguru,
I’m just curious with your explaination here regarding your commment on
“Maybe you have yet to hear of Ananda Krishnan,one of the filthy rich Malaysian billionaires, who owns and runs ASTRO, MAXIS, MEASAT,etc?
Eversendai Corporation, a Malaysian Indian owned Construction giant who built the Burj al Arab in Dubai and are among the largest Malaysian builders and construction companies out there in the Middle East?”
I totally agree with you that there are many malaysia indians who have made millions or maybe billions of dollars fortune. But my question is
did this malaysian indians made their fortune here in their own motherland or they had to go out of the country to build their empire. Tan Sri Ananda Krishna, Datuk A.K. Nathan (Eversendai Corporation), Datuk Vijay Eswaran (Managing Director of QI LTD, based in HK) are all successful malaysian indian businessman who made their fortune out of their own motherland.
All this businessman i have stated above , i can be even more specific to Tan Sri Ananda Krishnan and Datuk Vijay Eswaran who has played a bigger role in the international corporate world have brought the fortune they have made from abroad to develop and enrich their own motherland.
Both this corporate figures have founded their very own Foundation which helps malaysian regardless of race or religion in terms of study loans, scholarships etc.
Can you explain to me why all this corporate figures who are captains of big corporation have to go out of Malaysia to actually start their business and make their fortune at the first place ? And then once they have made their fortune they come back and do something for their own motherland.
You advocated that indians have been given a lots of opportunity who have not grasped the opportunity to improve themselves and after failing to make the best of their youth and blew the various opportunities that came their way ? If so why is that many educated indian professionals leaving malaysia and going abroad to build their career ?
If there is opportunity for the youths to study at local higher learning institution why is that just less then 10% place given at the first place ?
Come on la boss.The core of all problem is obvious marginalisation and the indians are not being given their rights. There are still many talents who i won’t be suprise can even create nuclear weapons or even next generation fuel out there which is working day and night so hard and they have never seen the light of opportunity. do we have the rights to show our talents and opportunity in our own motherland ? If there is how many of them has showed their talents here in our own beloved motherland. I’m sure you can count them.
Firstly, we need our rights as the citizen, then only we can help educate our community and help them develop.Even if we help our own community right now ? Do you think the government will be sitting quietly there and say let the fellow indians help their community
to develop themselves and prosper.You may say i’m narrow minded by saying so, but that is the true fact not only you or any other malaysian can deny.
Lets look at Singapore. Singapore’s majority population is Chinese. There are indians and malays living there. Are they being ripped of their rights or being marginalised. Opportunity is given to every citizen. Its up to them to choose and do what is best for them. Does it work the same way here in Malaysia ?
Lets again talk about corporate ethics, both indians and the chinese who work day and night to build their business empire. Why is there such law in malaysia that says there should be a bumiputera partner in multinational or public listed corporation although he or she might not sweat to make the company expand ?
Will you be calling me racist because i highlighted that it is a must to have a bumiputera partner to do business in malaysia ?
You may say that all the above mention argument is not related to the topic being discussed here.
But everyone of us need to understand just one thing here, only when a citizen have his or her rights and not being marginalised. Then he or she can lead a better life and the generation to come will have a much safe and better environment to live and grow.
It is easy for anyone to say lets not point fingers at others, but the circumstances is the cause for us to point the fingers is the true fact.
Whether HINDRAF might have other agenda for what it is doing should not be made an issue now,the truth everyone needs to understand is they are advocating for the rights of the people who has been ripped of their rights and being marginalised.
Terima Kasihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……
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well i really wanna attend the assembly but really unhappy with our police force … They’re capable of doing anything !!!!
Any advice ….
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Gandi (a lawyer) started Ahimsa way to win indipendence for India. Today Hindraf ( 5 lawyer) can make wonders. Let us follow the same Ahimsa way to win. Together we always CAN.
Hindraf should stay as NGO for our community wellbeing. We don’t need any stupid political / family party to represent us (Indians). HINDRAF is enough. Vaalga Manita Neeyam.
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Actually being a malay and bumiputra, i would like to say a few words here. We malays did not discriminate the indians or chinese. It is the ROMAN empire call UMNO that is robbing all rakyat their hard earn money via taxes and our EPF. So pls differentiate between orang melayu and orang UMNO.Also there’s a difference between UMNOputra and Bumiputra. We do pity and feel shameful that our UMNO govt have disrespect for temples, i have this funny feeling that demolishing temples so that they UMNO robbers can reclaim the land and sell it to property developers….same goes for pig culling, all this is done at the interest of the roman gods within UMNO not the peaceful ordinary malays that have no interest in plundering the rakyat money wif mega projects.
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We used to have two indian ministers from MIC in the cabinet, after “sammy†took over MIC we have only one. The painful thing about this is that it was “sammy” who wanted one indian minister so that all indians will look at him as god.
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i think there’s no reason to get emotional, no?
MP, yes the way they have gone about the demolition was wrong, they should have been more sensitive, but if you read what i have written properly, i said Hindraf’s allegations were that they did not destroy the Malay homes AT ALL, which was obviously untrue. Oh and I was referring to Little India.
And to all my other dear readers who commented,
I was not asking the likes of the Indian Chamber to come to US, rather, go to THEM. Yes, it is true that in SPM they have biased grading systems, but hey, that’s not going to change through this rally. Im an Indian myself and I have personally experienced this during my SPM examinations.
And my mother, who is an Indian too, (we’re not mamaks or anything pure hindus) managed to get Malay shareholders but she has a controlling stake in a company which she built from scratch. So what I’m saying is, there’s an intelligent (and legal) way around things but most Indians complain. If my mother can do it, and supply medical equipment to Government hospitals nationwide, why cant the others? (Actually im proud to say there are others too, hats off to them).
Additionally, this is where the Indian Chamber and the likes come in. She WENT there HERSELF, did not wait for them to come. I am not an avid supporter or anything, but she did manage to muster up some kind of networking and information which were imperative for her business. See, there’s things everywhere if you would just look for it.
Again, I do not support the NEP personally, of course, I would rather see and have an affirmative action policy which favors all the races and it should be based on economic standing rather than skin color. I nvr condone the NEP also because it only favors an elite, politically connected group.
To be honest, i do not want/have to read the Chinese’s history. Bearing the risk of being ignorant, I would like to see how they are still getting around things this present day. A lot of them, were poor too right? (Actually you cannot really take statements from the MCA literally, because they’re under UMNO). But yes, they are still progressing.
All im sayin is we’re smart enough to get around things. And, all I’m suggesting is if that Hindraf really wants to make a bold statement, they should get some of their facts right in order for others to take them seriously. Of course, I would like to see them EDUCATE (i stress this again) the Indian community on their rights and opportunities. However, i admire them on one side because they are trying to make a difference, and thats something big too.
Lastly, of course the chambers and other associations wont come to you! you have to go to them if you have a situation!
If you are in a predicament, God does not come to you, you try to reach God through prayer, no?
Just like how God is not in your heart, but you are in the heart of God, no?
See this is not a personal attack against anyone.
I more than anyone else would like to see my community prosper.
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InFullSupport:
just to add to the mic is a joke thingy, these people put them up there, no? and then they complain they do not have opportunitites?
they still voted for them after maika, still voted for them after AIMST, n will continue to do so now.
So who put them up there? Samy didnt tell us he’s going there, he asked, and the voters approved.
Im sorry to hear about you friend, but Im glad he’s doing fine now.
And i think it is the Indian’s incapabality to take inspiration from Ananda, Tony & Kasi n the rest, which is way they dream of small things and end up with small things (Maybe thats the reason why there’s only ONE Ananda who made it big).
Yes it is true we have to lowest quota in local universities and things like that, but you see, Im saying that if you or Hindraf has allegations, an intelligent answer is needed. Thats y i stressed on getting around things.
For example, Syed Albar, our foreign minister, stated that the NEP is not a deterrent because if you take the entire composition of universities and institutes of higher learning, the non bumis outnumber the bumis. So from his point of view, the NEP does not seem flawed at all, rather, creating opportunities for the MINORITY in this particular situation which are the Malays.
You see how intelligent they can get by backing it up with stats? Now if we would ask an Indian to reply, he would curse his family, go to an astrologer or bomoh or something and put some kinda spell/charm on his family.
Why cant we get around that question/rhetoric/fact
in an intelligent manner too? Thats all Im asking.
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another thing, I think you are not very clear on the mechanisms of the Chamber of Commerce, it has nothing really to do with Revathi really. And yes i do feel for her, but see again, her problem came because she was not educated and unaware of her rights. I remember readin an article about her, i really do symphatize.
but her parents were initially muslim, and therefore she automatically is a muslim. She got married and did not reveal her religion to her husband and the information she gave for her marriage license was not accurate. Of course she should have known that this would have created trouble!
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saya nie org melayu tapi sumpah, saya benar2 bangga tengok kaum india bersatu apabila hak dan kebebasan anda dicabar oleh bangsa saya sendiri.
tak keterlaluan kiranya saya mengucapkan semoga anda berjaya dalam perjuangan ini.syabas HINDRAF-Asrul Nizam Maidin.
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gram:
I don’t think you truly understand what was said.
Your statement below:
“And my mother, who is an Indian too, (we’re not mamaks or anything pure hindus) managed to get Malay shareholders but she has a controlling stake in a company which she built from scratch”
Kindly explain WHY a Malay shareholder is required? I’m asking this on behalf of the NON MUSLIMS.
MCA under UMNO, so what? They show support for their own people. and the Indians?
Lets talk about Revathi’s plight. This is opening up other avenues for discussion now. She knew she could not state her “actual” religion cos our government are declaring or rather once declared Malaysia is a Muslim country when its actually secular.
The way the Muslim religion is being handled here, it is just not right. But who are we to protest against that. So, if you are born muslim and you do not want to follow the religion, you denounce. Ultimately, you can’t cos you are in Malaysia. Now, if you are Revathi, not so rich to move to another country, where do you go for help? Who will champion your rights?
I know HINDRAF isn’t going to solve all these issues but what we want is just to be heard. For people to know that we exist and not just sweep us under the rug and forget about it later.
We can’t personally change every single Indian in Malaysia to work around things. Some are educated, some are not. So, we need someone strong to move them in the right direction. Someone whose voice can and will be heard.
About MIC being “up there”, I seriously wonder how many Indians actually vote. I know I don’t, my friends don’t, my family / extended families don’t.
People who vote could be those who expect things to change GE after GE. Well, good for them for having such strong faith, I do not oppose their actions.
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Hidup Hindraf.I hope more Hindraf staffs and public remind each other to be calm when the rally is on.All the eysa are on us and we need to be professional
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today (23rd Nov 2007) Lawyer Uthayakumar was arrested and sent to IPK Shah Alam at Section 9. Let us gather there to protest this stupid action by Malaysian police.
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[...] what the Indian community is saying about HINDRAF here and [...]
Kudos to Indians………Kudos to Hindraf…..At last we have got a navigator for the Indians…….
The Indian marginalisation has been at its extreme since the time the MIC Supremo fastened his seat as its pilot……
It’s time to denounce the MIC’s role in championing the plight of Indians……………
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Be Real! keep it Real! Bone as Hindu ans Die as Hindu.
Let’s hand’s together and fight for the rights!
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Kudos to Hindraf… i will support ur action this sunday….we all indians feels very low… other people have moved on….. if we all get the money.. no one will say indian poor & 3rd class citizen in malaysia… hidup Hindaf…
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http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/75148
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today (23rd Nov 2007) Lawyer Uthayakumar was arrested and sent to IPK Shah Alam at Section 9. Let us gather there to protest this stupid action by Malaysian police.
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MP: edited for insulting words.
******* HINDRAF! Bulshit Indian **********!
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MP: thanks. I’ve edited the post.
The Above Bernama’s Source link to NST is DEAD for the 18-Point memo -
SAMY VELLU Hits Back at HINDRAF 18-Point Allegations Memo & Marginalization of Indian
For Details of MEMO
Go H E R E
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SURIYA UTHAYAM UTHIKUMBOTHU THERIYUM
ANNAL UTHAKUMAR ENDRA SOL ULAGAM MULUVATHUM UTHIKIRATHU.
VALGA CAPTAIN P.UTHAYAKUMAR
VALARGA INTHIYA SAMUTHAYAM
PROUD TO BE TAMILAN
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If we cant reach the british embassy, then we should converge in temples churches or other place of our religious belief in KL to pray and make offerings in the success of this gathering. They cant stop us from praying can they? KL this weekend should be filled with indians of any origin. Support the persons who are standing up for us.
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dunno wht to say about this stupid country anymore. We do luv our malay and chinese brothers, but this is a f**d up government wit full of idiot ministers that I think didnt even passed SPM properly!
All of them r puppets of UMNO!
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MP: i can’t imagine the chinese retaliating over something like this against the indians. instead, i won’t be surprised if they join in as well! as for malays, well maybe some representative from certain political party will send thugs to create problem. some reports say may 13th was instigated by certain political party members.
I’m not Indian but I’ve many Indian friends, my advice is reconsider not to proceed. If you all still insist please be objectives by instill calmness and coutious. You all have to understand Indian in Malaysia are just merely 7%, what about the rest of Malaysian (Chinese, Malay, etc) that constitutes other 90+% that can get anoyed with any of those outburst individuals …. remember May 13th? that was between Malay and Chinese. Can’t imagine if Malay and Chinese retaliate towards Indians. To my oppinion MIC is your best bet to fight for right (in rational context).
cheers
fellow Malaysian
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hey mate… if you’re going… just be careful. good luck.
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udal manaku…uyir tamil ke….letz go to find the truth and show it to world
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I’m just wondering about Malaysians comment :
I’m not Indian but I’ve many Indian friends, my advice is reconsider not to proceed. If you all still insist please be objectives by instill calmness and coutious. You all have to understand Indian in Malaysia are just merely 7%, what about the rest of Malaysian (Chinese, Malay, etc) that constitutes other 90+% that can get anoyed with any of those outburst individuals …. remember May 13th? that was between Malay and Chinese. Can’t imagine if Malay and Chinese retaliate towards Indians. To my oppinion MIC is your best bet to fight for right (in rational context).
May peace be with you Malaysian:
I have a lots of chinese and malay friends and even my wife is chinese. They all support the HINDRAF’s move infact, because they see the rational in it. My friend you have talked about May 13th between Malay and chinese…. and you say that indians are only 7%….even the statics for the chinese is less then 20% now…. why is that ? because even chinese are fed up with what is going on here and they are leaving the country same like the indian professionals.
Even the chinese have been deprieved from their rights due to the “zao gou” in the government and we can’t deny that. They are happy atleast the indians have a group to fight for them where else the chinese will still be left to follow their leaders. And after UMNO have successfully achieved their political agenda with the indians. Chinese will be the next target. And we shall see what “Malaysian” has to say about it. If both MCA and MIC has a good leader. Trust me we would have been very much better of then Singapore by now. Wake up my friend look at the bigger picture.You may want to retaliate now. But you will see the real picture later. When the chinese becomes the next victim.You may get annoyed with what is happening now. But later you and your family would regret for what you have done today. What goes around comes around.
There are many very much more understanding malays out there my friend. They too are being deprieved from their rights by the ruling government. Overall everyone is being ripped of their rights by the ruling party besided the members, their family members and their followers. So what are we going to do about that ?
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HINDRAF!!!! Long leave HINDRAFF! Our Support always will be on your side… Dato Samy tolong kami!!! BULLSHITT!!!.. Help out your daughter inlaw. Shame on yourself. Dont have the guts to help the indians who really trusted you for the past.. (god knows how long)
you have cheated us with all of your fake promises and you took over our indian rights!!.. ******** Dato!!!.. There wont be any vote from any indians after this because we got to know your are a ************* liar!! Praise The Lord.. LONG LIVE HINDRAFF!!!
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[...] prime minister, Anwar Ibrahim. Anyway, he was wrong because it was due to an illegel gathering by Hindraf (Hindu Rights Action [...]
I think killer’s opinion about temples is right. I’m a Hindu and the truth is finding a Hindu temple in Malaysia was never been a problem. Amman temple, Murugan temple, Vinayagar temple, Sivan temple, Krishna temple, Hanuman temple, Muneswaran etc. etc you can find them all everywhere in Malaysia. Only thing I notice in some of the temples are empty except during special occasion.
Another thing you notice is that Chinese community who were also brought in to Malaya the same time as Indians are successful due to their own effort and passion for business. It had been ingrained in their culture. Therefore, though conditions were not favorable to non bumiputras, Chinese were still very successful.
Even though there are many obstacles facing the Indian community, we should learn to overcome it like our Chinese brothers and sisters.Maybe if we work hard enough with passion more Indians will succeed and will be able to stand on their own feet.
I don’t think demonstrating at British Embassy is going to solve any problem for Indian particularly for Hindu community. Instead, they should go to Batu Caves and light up Agal Villaku for Kartigai and pray to God to provide us the strength and wisdom to overcome all obstacles laid on our path.
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solbavan seivatillai. aanal HINDRAF sonnathai seikindrathu. vaalthukkal. ninggalum MIC pool solveerarkalaga illamal seyalil veerarkalaaga irungal. ungalin vedrikku naangal kandippaga uruthunaiyaaga iruppom.
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Dear HINDRAF Fan Club members
If you want to debate with me, I will be more than glad to oblige. But do not resort to vulgarism, threats and cursing. It is not that it is going to affect me but it is a sheer waste of time.
Let’s look at point by point.
Firstly the need to have the rally. Let me ask you if you really think by marching to the British Embassy you can solve all the problems facing Indians ?
The suit against the British govt has zero merit and zero chance of success. And if HINDRAF’s lawyers say otherwise then they are lying. All the talk about the Reid Commission is just to confuse people. Well, I don’t want to write a long post to explain this. You don’t have to believe me, just do your own research using Google / wikipedia and you will see for yourself what I meant.
In summary, the Reid Commission was a group that tasked to prepare a recommendation for the constituition of Malaya by the British govt. Later the commission’s report became the basic for the Malaya/Malaysia’s constituition. There is nothing in it that HINDRAF can use to justify in asking for compensation. This action is pure stupidity.
Secondly, the petition to ask the Queen to assign QC for this case. This action bring stupidity to an even higher plane. You think the British govt is naive enough to help HINDRAF so that they get sued for 4 trillion pounds ?
Thirdly, even if HINDRAF wins and gets the money, will this solve all our problems ?
The British govt has nothing to do with the plights of Indian in Malaysia. Even if they have been colonised, they are far better off economically than the Indians in India. So how can you claim our situation has gotten worse in the last 5 years ?
Let me give you guys a history lesson of our country.
Folks, our forefathers had agreed to the Malaysian constitution and not the British or UMNO forced it on us. But before you blame them, think the situation 50 years ago. The Malays were outnumbered by Indians and Chinese at that time (yes, that was true) but the Malays agreed to provide citizenship to the Indians and Chinese. I can bet you to tell me where or when in the history of this world such a gesture was ever took place. For all the bad things you say about Malays, this action was unprecendented in the world’s history.In exchange the Indians and Chinese agreed to grant “special rights” to the Malays which I think is very fair deal at that time. Of course this Malay special rights have been abused later, but that’s a different story.
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samy velu should just keep quite and dont give any stupid comment. He have fail to help the indians in many ways. So just let the HINDRAF to do the job which MIC have fail to do. We want a fair treatement
in all areas, right from education to employment and
business and religion practise.
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I am taking up the issue brought up by MP on the 13th of May incident which some morons claim that was instigated by UMNO.
I have read the book which claimed so, written by one of the Opposition member.Well, all I can say that the writer tried to pin the blame on UMNO by trying to twist the facts. I will let you read it and make your own judgement, you don’t have to take my word.
A lot of people will be surprised to learn that the May 13th incident was started by the Chinese and the DAP played a big role !! Of course, now the DAP pretends that it is a champion of multi-racialism.
Again, the below is an extract from wikipedia and judge yourself the truth. The account of 13th May is the same everywhere, except in the book published recently.
And I will be glad to debate with anyone who thinks my arguments are inaccurate.
Events leading to 13 May 1969
A bitter election campaign was fought by various political parties prior to the general election of 10 May 1969. Party leaders stoked racial and religious sentiments in order to win support. Pan Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS) accused the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO) of selling the rights of the Malays to the Chinese, while the Democratic Action Party (DAP) accused Malaysian Chinese Association (MCA) of giving in to UMNO. The DAP promoted the concept of “Malaysian Malaysia” which would deprive the Malays of their special rights under the Constitution. Both the DAP and the People’s Progressive Party objected to Malay as the national language and proposed multi-lingualism in its stead.[1]
Senior Alliance politicians including Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman, accused the People’s Progressive Party of Singapore of involvement in the campaign, as it had done during the 1964 general election campaign.
The run-up to the election was marred by two deaths: that of an UMNO election agent, who was killed by a group of armed Chinese youths in Penang and that of a member of the Labour Party of Malaya (LPM), who was killed in Kepong, Selangor.[1]
There was a contrast in the handling of these two deaths. The UMNO worker was buried without publicity, the LPM casualty was honoured at a parade on 9 May when some 3000 LPM members marched from Kuala Lumpur to Kepong, violating regulations and trying to provoke incidents with the police. Participants sang Communist songs, waved red flags, and called upon the people to boycott the general election. Amidst this tension, the general election was held on 10 May 1969. Election day itself passed without any incident and the result shows the opposition had tied with the Alliance for control of the Selangor state legislature.
On 12 May, thousands of Chinese marched through Kuala Lumpur, parading through predominantly Malay areas which hurled insults that led to the incident.[1]
[edit] The events of 13 May
Members of UMNO Youth gathered in Kuala Lumpur at the residence of Selangor Menteri Besar, Dato’ Harun bin Haji Idris, on 13 May and demanded that they too should hold a victory celebration; at the national level the Alliance had gained a majority in Parliament, albeit a reduced one, and in Selangor it had gained the majority by cooperating with the sole independent candidate.
While the UMNO Youth members were gathered in the compound of the Menteri Besar’s residence, two cars containing a number of Chinese suddenly drew up. The Chinese asked the gathering to disperse, saying that the residence now belonged to the opposition leader. Meanwhile, news arrived that Chinese groups had attacked Malays in Setapak. This triggered a wave of violence resulting in loss of life and property.16
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So my dear Indians, this is the reason why the Malaysian govt is until today is very sensitive in allowing rallies and demonstrations. of course it has been many years since 1969, but painful memories still linger…
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If we dint even support our own community how are we going to come up? “AS Kalaimani”.. maybe you should shut your fancy mouth in being a smartass and think and give a chance for a change, changes is not only for the present.. its for the future aswell “your kids kids future” The Prayers that we did ages ago helping us finding ways.. and this is one of those ways.. demonstrating is okay in a “democratic country”.
If we dint speak up now.. when ? another 50 years?
Local Scene
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Hi my name is Seelan and I’m a Tamil from Singapore. I would like to document the demonstration this Sunday. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help guide me on Sunday.
Please email me at seelanpalay@gmail.com
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I agree with AS Kalaimani…
Whats needed here is rational thinking and positive action NOT BLIND VIOLENCE.
There is only so much that the government, politicians etc can do for you BUT at the end of the day.. you have to work hard and earn a living.
If those illegal workers who came here with nothing but the clothes on their back can succeed and make a living in malaysia, I dont understand why can’t the rest of us.
The non violence way has ALWAYS been the Malaysian way and I hope it stays that way. Im not a Hindu but I pray for the best for all Malaysians. REMEMBER, EVIL BEGETS EVIL.
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MP: edited.
i proud to malaysian indian.i support hindraf 100000000 percent.dato samy u go to hell.u r really ******** . ur ****** **********?**********!!!!!!!wat did u done for indian?how much is property at malaysia n overseas?
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Hi Hindraf !!
I agree with Local Scene …
Dear Kalaimani if didnt speak up now ? waiting for another 5o years ?We dont know whether we stil alive or not.
We should start now it is for our future generations.
Please indian put our hands together to speak up our rights. If we are like ‘buat tak tahu je’,than no one can help us.
Praying also important, PLEASE dont mix up the kartigai prayer with the peacefully demostration.TQ
Valgha Hindraf !!
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We are group of team here to support 100% on HINDRAF effort to represent overall indians in malaysia . They are right leader for us . Good job HINDRAF
come on indians to support on 25.11.2007
hope fully everything will go smoothly
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go on all indians.we will win!!!!!
next step to samy vellu
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yes.yes.yes.
indian live forever
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i dont know what is going to happen but what i want is just money…MIC or HINDRAF…pls help..i have debt to settle..Who c an help?What u ppl want is just my vote
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just my two cents… why cant dis be made into an orderly fashioned manner? we are having good prosperity and peace, and yet there exists racial issues ? appreciaate what has been given, make the best out of it… dont be whining like a bunch of todi-ed machas… cmon guys, u want malaysia to be like some neighbouring countries? politics are worst than hell?….. if u guys arent satisfied with the current condition, fly back to ur country and look at their state of living?…..
once again, WE ARE MALAYSIAN… just dont screw it up…
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DEar Indians,
Be smart, work smart… I’ll be there for our Blood Brothers and sisters. Get together dear….
Meet you guys there. I have lots to share but no point of talking only lets made up our mind and give our full SUPPORT to our Blood…
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MP: edited.
***** dah naik lemak. ni lah jadiknye. kehkhekhek
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Let it be said that Indians founded a civilisation here before the other foreigners, like the Achenese, the Javanese, the Bugis, the Menang, the orang Java, the Sundanese and the Yunanese who now call themselves “Orang Melayu”, in Javanese it means “People who ran away.”
The Jakun, Orang Laut, the Senoi, the Kadazan, the Bidayu, the Iban, the Dayak are the original people of this land, they are the orang Asli and the Indians will not dispute it.
These people who ran away now claim to be the “sons of the soil” or “Bumiptera” so to speak.
Let it be known if they are indeed “Bumiputera” as they claim to be then all Indians in the country too can claim the same.
And let it also be known that the majority of the orang Asli are not Muslims, so how has this country become and Isalmic nation?
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you have to fight for your right………………………………………………………….
to party!!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously though indians must do something la, samy vellu is just a yes man to the malays
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MP: i think there are many malay malaysians who have done well and contribute to nation, but due to the crutch offered to their people, their efforts may be belittled.
hoi malaysian! you dont talk so much la, you malays r a redundant good for nothing race, if other races left malaysia all you melayus will die la, you melayus never contribute anything intellectually nor financially, go and open burger stall la!!!
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OTTRUMAIYAGA SEYALPATTAL VETRI NAMAKE.
HINDRAF VAALGE.
MY 100,000% SUPPORT FOR HINDRAF MAKKALS.
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We Want JUSTICE!!!
HINDRAF,Blow Them Down!!!
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WHO EVER BELIEVE IN GOD.
WHAY DON’T U GUYS ASK HELP FROM HIM.
SEE WHAT HE CAN DO.
BUT I THINK HE WILL SUPPORT THOSE WHO HAVE MONEY ONLY.
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JAI HINDRAF
A Huge Support from me to HIndraf and HIndraf HEROS.
OUR HEROS
Hon.P Uthayakumar ,
Hon. P Waythamoorthy ,
Hon. Ganabatirau Rao,
Hon. Manoharan Malayalam
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just dun wat to say… but all I know Hindraf is fighting 4 the right nothing … good
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just dun wat to say… but all I know Hindraf is fighting 4 the right
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be brave fight for the right… go go Hindraf we support 4 u, 4ever
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BAND the word ‘BUMIPUTRA’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all deserve 2 hav d same right in tiz malaysia……..malaysia is nt an ISLAMIC country……….ten wat 4 it is said a DEMOCRITIC country……ia adalah negara berbilang kaum….. semua kaum adalah bumiputra…..semua ada hak……….so all wake up open ur eyes wic ar closed by those BN MIC n UMNO………V AR HINDRAF INDIANS…. SUPPORT HINDRAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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shame on u, indons and bangla occupied our pasar borong.they came here not though the proper way.do they get any privillage from the gov?most of the time the ran from the police.but yet they are making tones of money compare of us.u still want to blame the gov?shame on u again.
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I hope everyone in the march will be safe tomorrow. When I read about the police and authorities EXPECTING violence - and the fact that roadblocks are being conducted to sift out potential “troublemakers” based on their ethnicity… I’m just amazed at how WRONG, how RACIST, how DISCRIMINATORY it is and the truth of the matter that you have to be born the “approved” color and religion to be regarded as part of the country, regardless of being born here, how much your parents and their parents and their parent’s parents have given to the country in terms of building it hand in hand with everyone else, only to be marginalized indefinitely until the majority learns to play on an even field without crutches and handouts.
I am proud of all the different ethnicities that make my family and my identity - and still naively holding on to the dream that one day this country will hold all its citizens equal. Like an actual democracy. And as the days go on and things like this and Bersih happen I realise that maybe if equality is what we seek - Malaysia is NOT the country to live in.
To my brothers and sisters who are in the gathering tomoro - please take care of each other. And maybe change the direction of the march to those who were supposed to protect the well-being and rights and growth of the Indian people in this country and ask them to answer to this issue as old as the DEB - “Are you REALLY going to sit back and watch your people get treated this way? Do we all just sit back and accept status quo of racial discrimination in our constitution as permanent and unquestionable? Are we Malaysians - or do we need tonnes and tonnes of Fair & Lovely and Clorox to bleach ourselves to a more agreeable color to deem ourselves the rights of proper citizens in this country?
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Valge HINDRAF…YOU are the saviour of all INDIANS in Malaysia…We dont need one day Mudhalvan…but a life long Mudhalvans to lead and guide us…
Thousands of Indians are looking for a bright future through HINDRAF….Dont dissapoint us…our support is for…the one n only….HINDRAF
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My support will always be there for HINDRAF…
Jai Hind n Jai HINDRAF…
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Valga HINDRAF….. a big solute for HINDRAF. its really happy to hear there are good hearted people fighting for INDIANS rights. go ahead MR Uthayakumar our support always for u. may this date become a turning point in all indians life. all indians please support by attending the assembly. ur presence make alot of difference. enough of being slaves now take ur steps and move bravely. be proud to be an indian and fight till ur last drop of blood. valga tamil, valga HINDRAF. our 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% support for HINDRAF.
may the god assist u as how krishna assist Arjunan in his war.
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Dear fellow Malaysian ,
I felt the urge to post on my thought as malay over some of the objective of hindraf, particularly on nep or special rights to bumis.
My point here is for the sake of security, i hope hindraf plays the note well to other ears. I’m sure should you were bestowed some rights, you would refuse to get it removed by anyone.
Regardless of the above, I would applaud your fight for better and fairer treatment from the government. I do pity many of unfortunate and poor malaysian indians who were deprived of what should have been given to them in fair manner.
Basically it is not nep or malays special rights that oppressed the indians but the real culprit are our leaders. nep and others were meant to stabilise and harmonise the country by giving balance to economic wealth between the races. However, nep & others were rendered ineffective to to the greedy nature of the leaders. Even though with special rights, you could see, just say KL, how many do you see malay businesses along the road? , not to say the big houses area. And of course, almost none were indian (of coz, som of u would say- served the malay well because they are lazy- what if you are in our shoe?). -no offence to chinese, u deservedly got yours.
What happen at the top was they are circulating or distributing wealth only to ‘kroni’. the supposedly receiving rakyat were left to themselves. And to indian, what is already small chunk will become smaller after eaten up by the big boss. the good budget were not spread well.
Sum it all up. We should topple the current government and that is what hindraf should encourage and please dont put such requests to take our rights - it might cause unnecessary fire that we dont need at the moment. Give new government and leaders a chance. Hope my points is understood. -peace-
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Support Hindraf for those who are at KL and please go to the British High Commission today……. thank you for your support.
LOng Live Hindraf
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If he wants to help us then he should step down and let someone else run the show for a change.
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i have read the above comments, but for some articles are racist. if u want to fight for your community thats doesnt matter,go for it. but when u condemned others what i mean the malays is baseless, do u think all the malays gets everything,come on pls be rational. i m a malay i hve indian friends n chinese friends too. i have good relations w them, when u angry over an issues, pls think it with rationale sense. your problems is nothing to do with islam n do u think all the malays are the cause of the problems. do u think all the malays in entire malaysia are millionaires. no my friend. i myself came from a poor family. i went to university with no scholarship, my father had to loan here and, i thank him a lot, he passed awy 15 years ago, i have work in private n govt. now i m working on my own. as an insurans and trust fund agent. i didnt get any single sen from the govt, i m a tax payer. but some statement saying if the non malays leave the country the malays will die tak makan. pls give be rationale. malays also migrate to other country, pls fair in your statement, its up to u to decide, to be better or worst, i want to be fair in my statement, as a muslim n a malay as a human being, i also feel sorry for the unfortunate,to everybody. by attacking other races do u think will resolve the issue. every body can says what they want to say, every body can act according to their believes, but if one community react and baseless attacking another community do u think it will cool off the issues. no retaliation will rise up.dear readers pls find any race in this world willing to give in what they own n sharing with others, we malays always give in n tolerant to others, but pls dont disrupt the peace with a baseless statement.if attacking too much the malays also will retaliate, let us settle matters in a rationale way. in malaysia all race also have miskin people, not only one race, so plss be fair in comments. thank u
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we are the world
my infinite% support to HINDRAF and its team . We Indian must united and together fight 4 our rights.
vallga our Taalapathy UK- Mr.Utayakumar
and its team team
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go indians…………………
we need a real freedom………….
please get together…………………..
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im waiting for the moment to be at british embassy…we must destroy the umno….
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MP: edited for profanity
Although i am basically born as melayu i am impress and respect HINDRAF for being so brave to fight for your rights. Not so for UMNO, these people inside UMNO are a bunch of cowards and penakut. They are only good in scaring people, look at the polis, ask them to reduce crime and see what they have done - they are only good in doing road blocks during peaceful demostrations. When someone kena rape…do the UMNO tikus get the polis to do the road blocks?? bullshit!!! when a crime hAppens in your neigbourhood, these so call polismen only just goto bed and tidur. The polis are only good in catching oppositions against UNMO but ask them to catch mat rempit….so far not even one is caught!!! what da ****!!! Just because some bloody mat rempits are sons-in-laws to the cronies in UNMO therefore they are treated to first class citizenship while the poor-poor melayu nelayan or farmers in kampung are treated like dogs and pigs. In fact our PM did say that Mat Rempits can be change to Mat Cemerlang….fug off man!! Why dun you try to change all the corrupted UMNOputras to Angkasawan. Bear in mind i am not a member of any politic party, neither am i in any opposition party but it is a disgrace to see Malaysia after 50 years of independence still got Mat Rempits beating up polis, and lagi best, polis just let the Mat Rempit beat up the rest of the polis and public. Then we have the polis beating up peaceful protesters whom carry children and old people…so we can say the polis is bloody coward rite?? Eh, jangan cakap kita semua ada bangsa dan nusa tapi sendiri macam “tai kor” yang hanya pandai buli orang yang lemah. Kenapa polis takut Mat Rempit?? Kerana ada Mat Rempit ialah anak kepada Tuan-Tuan UMNO. Kalau salah pukul Mat Rempit yang ada lesen UMNO nanti kena buang kerja.
******* itu Khairi Jamalbangsat jugak salah satu Mat Rempit kategori UMNO. Jadi lebih baik polis pukul orang yang lemah and miskin….dear-dear now they will be tearing down temples, the next round polis will be tearing down churches and chinese temples, I guess soon they will be raping our daughters unless we join UMNO!!! So, rakyat!! to prevent your daughters and temples and churches from being plundered and rape pls join UMNO!!!
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MP: edited for profanity.
Hi all..y
As Malaysians, we have rights to voice out. I think our government is totally corrupted and lost!!!
Our government is unfair to all LOWER CLASS INDIAN & MALAY!
***** Capitalism!
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MP: edited for some personal attack.
Siapa ini ***** call Killer yang sengaja mengapi-api kes May 1969?? Sekarang sudah 2007 lah!! sudah 38 tahun berlalu. kita ini orang Malaysia bukan jakun!! Saya ada banyak kawanX2 ialah cina and india, jangan suka api-api may 1969 lah, itu cerita sudah basi lah!! Kalau you nak violence, pergi lar thailand, beli senapang pakai samurai dan pukul polis macam mat rempit pukul polis. Baru-lah syok!!! For your info, if Killer can pretend to be a Mat Rempit, sure you can wacko any polis and still get away - no need to talk bout 1969 lar…boring oledi. Go get some orgy excitement like try to be a Super Mat Rempit and wacko some polis sure-sure you will create history and be more famous then angkasawan. You faham english kah?? I am sure Killer have not paid tax or EPF that’s why he’s very happy to see UMNO plunder the taxpayers money away, so can I call the polis to arrest Killer as we suspect he didn’t pay taxes?? Or can I report to UMNO that Killer is not paying taxes or EPF?? Or Maybe Killer already belongs to UMNO and is plundering the rakyat’s taxes and EPF that’s why 1969 seems to be so fresh in your memory??? Anyway what does May 1969 gotta do wif Malaysia whom have achieve 50 years of independence…common Killer dun be a dinosaur, grow up man!! Not all malays are as stupid as you think. Even most malays hate UMNO dun you think so??? Wat if we say that all poor malays, poor chinese and poor indians gang up and attack UMNO and stop paying taxes and EPF, do you think UMNO can still exist…actually our PM’s boss is actually the rakyat, even his home in Putrajaya belongs to the rakyat’s blood and sweat via EPF and Taxes paid by the rakyat. If you think you can create chaos and frighten the rakyat by bringing up may 1969, then think again - if UMNO angers India and China by bullying the chinese and indians, they may sent their army which comes in millions to attack our country. Please be understanding, Malaysia is not a superpower race, we are just a tiny dot in the world map. Just because you wave a keris around that does not means that you represent the majority melayu. Doesn’t Kerimuddin makes us melayu look so stupid by waving the keris around…looks like some kinda kid stuff playing wif knife. If kerimuddin waves a notebook then different lah. Just imagine President Bush dress up in cowboy outfit and waves a bow of arrows during republican conference…what does he look like to other nations, STUPID RITE!!!!!! Malu betul kita orang melayu bila UMNO video telecast LIVE to other nations, and this is done every year. For Islam sake please abolish UMNO lar, makes all melayu look so stupid.
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MP: edited for foul language.
**************..kecoh je korang..balik india la kalau nak bising..nak jadi bumiputra konon..balik india la..baru korang tau cam ne idup kat india.. d\
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Please do not attack Datuk Seri. He is the one and only person who is capable to deliver us success. Do you people know that he had and is willing to sacrifice anything for us the Indians? Don’t be like the Malays who are ungrateful to TDM.
Our Datuk Seri is a great man and heknow what is good for us so please allow him to do his job. Hindraf people are not representing us but themselves. Support MIC and pray for its long life. Please
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fuiyooo.cekaplah.its not a creation but what thats what happening lah.weldone.weldone.weldone.but the thing is he still doesnt want to loose his seat lah.tak bengang ke dia lepas bace penghormatan yang diberikan.cis! muka tak malu
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MP: edited for issuing threat.
to samy velu and his wife.
if i were to c u in any indian temple, be it a opening ceremony or even for prayers………. ********.u kan tak ade kena mengena dgn temple kami?pergilah sembayang puas puas kat masjid yang kamu bina kat aimst.and another warning for your wife.ladies are very eager to meet you.not to welcome, but to …………faham faham je lah.makluk ape ni.byk banyak komen pun masih nak jawatan.baik mati dari menanggung malu.hee…hee…hee.
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Anbe Sivam,
Dear reader’s, We are in DEMOCRATIC country, most of the NGO’s are treated as OPPOSITION Party. Why?..ans is the ruling gov is having a fear to face the truth which NGO’s displaying the real movie and magics.
About our MIC and its selected leaders…they are using MIC umbrella to do their business, make them, their family,relations and friends to get rich and richer…until they don’t know how much money, property and wealth they already have…if u want to know more>>>>>they even don’t know what to declare during getting their seat for election and during declaring INCOMETAX….the poor politicians(polibiznzions) only can remeber the cash, property and wealth they have before they become politicians.
For another exaple, the Datin Sri can’t even recoqnise her own saree which was wearing by her own supporter and stand infront of Datin Sri…what this mean……our leader and their wife’s is Malaysian Indian Marcos and Imelda Marcos.
Anther hand…there is some good politicians in MIC (i can say that, their like a sosial worker’s), pitty them, these politicians are treated as or like MAID’s.
But they try to get something out from there and distribute the needdies around them or in their constitution. thanks to the MAID’s.
Finally, to all the selfish polibiznzions….pls keep away from all INDIAN TAMILANS and give way to HINDRAFT to SHOW and SPEAK to the world and leaders for WHAT WE WANT!
No fight, no heart feeling….pls keep in mind ‘DEMOCRACY’….U do Ur bizness, WE do our bizness.
Even Indians are minority, but we like ” CHILI PADI “.
Other can be MAJORITY, remember our grandpa said,
“siru thurumbum, pal kuttha uthavum”, ‘ thavara kutthuna ” VEDIKKUM “…thadduna….summa atharuthuila!!!!.
Dear ‘POLIticians’….pls change your self to “REALicians”.
We are not trouble makers, so pls don’t disturb.
Support HINDRAF for good reasons.
Valga valamudan.
Endrum ” HINDRAF “.
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Dear readers of Malaysian Indian. Lets throng to Sg.Siput to kick the ass of the traitor of Indian Community who is known as Semi Value. Disgrace to you that u call urself the leader of the indian community.Your voice is not heard anymore by the rulling party in this country so i suggest u leave the party. Let someone else demand for the rights of indians in this country in all sectors. Enough, u and the government have taken us for a ride fo so long.We demand that we are treated equally as others.I love this country. Dont create another Sri Lanka.Dont push us.
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MP: edited for foul language
multiracial…. my fat ass…
Malaysia… Malaysia… don’t tell the world you are a great nation… a multiracial nation because its not… first of all to divide people is f***** wrong in our country.. bunch of Malay ****…
u have problems with indians you have problems with chinese… go use all the tax money.. that u collected from us and buy an island to keep your f**** up laws… because seriously… i have had enough
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MANA BOLEH SOKONG hindraf….
INI MEMANG SALAH DI CC UNDANG2 MNGIKUT PERLEMBAGAAN..
INI BRITISH YG BUAT MAA..LG 1,MN QUEEN ELIZIBERTH???XDE DLM PAPER PUN..
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MP: edited for some personal attacks.
its a shame to see indian leader to be so ignorant….and also pity towards him…after cheat and swindle all indians money thru the shares that MIC launched and goverment had allocated….he still remain poor and sent his daughter and wife *******……DO ALL OF MALAYSIAN INDIAN THINK HE IS CAPABLE OF BEING OUR LEADER……REMEMBER INDIANS HE IS THE YEMMEN IN HUMAN FORM TO DESTROY US…..if he still remain calm after the worship places are destroyed…then his end and self demolishment is also not far….thought he only capable of cheat indians but now god also he give ALWA……remember guys i will jump in joy when i hear he had stop breathing n going into the soil……i will celebrate diwali…just like when NARAGASUREN DIED……***** DIA
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samy vello is malaysian sivaji…don’t play play with him.. one’s he is angry.. u fellows mati.. watch out
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MP: edited for personal attack.
DATUK S is really a COMNAUGTY…..he is a pimp for government to cheat indians….bloody MAMA PAYALE. no wonder his daughter in law ***** in order to support him.
….TO ALL INDIANS…I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THIS, I was watching AL-JAZEERAH NEWS and saw the MIC heads are talking with the news broadcasters……The MIC SK DEVAMANY quoted that malaysians are given TREMENDOUS ALLOWANCE by goverment. what he meant by this TREMENDOUS ALLOWANCE….so is it government allocated everything and MIC swindle our parts given by government…..is it so…..and it was funny when SK DEVAMANY say and quote his comment wit “I think” He has to say and quote what happen and given not he think and say…..it sound childish and badly needed public speaking skills….. when Datuk S speak in the al jazeerah news broadcast…..he called the newscaster…..LISTEN HERE MY FREN…..can a minister talk like tis….he is a real licensed thug.
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my advice to MALAYSIAN SAYS, why should we fly back to other country. This is my country, my GRAND PARENTS and my Parents plus all the other Indians who was brought here by the British, have devoted all their life to Develope this country.
All we want is a fair treatement in ALL AREAS.
Just sincerely, ask yourself are they giving us the fair treatements in every areas?
MIC also know that, but they are just a PUPPET to the gov.cant do any thing.
So, pls know your fact first before you say anything.
HINDRAF have conduct a very peacefull demo, see what has happen.
Me and my family would like to say thank you very much to HINDRAF, and please carry on the good job.
GOD BLESS ALL INDIAN.
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I pray for HINDRAF leaders to be blessed and showered with god’s blessing because they risk their life and family and their children future just for all indians right…..and he also fight for the worship places that had been demolished…….usually god save human but now human trying to save god’s living place…hope god wil show us the way….we are not longing to battle or war…we want to live a happy and harmony life just like other malaysian……TO DATUK S AND OTHER MIC HEADS LIKE SK DEVAMANY….stop fanning intruders…..and think for logic….anyway my parents had bought MIC share…. that is the Koperasi Pekerja Jaya Berhad in 1979 when i was one year old baby…..for RM 100……as SK DEVAMANY say…we are given tremendous allowance….u know guys how much my parents got as dividen after 28 years…TREMENDOUSLY RM 55…which will be Rm 100 (our investment) plus RM 55 (the dividen for 28 years) n now RM 155. Real tremendous return……right guys…..DATUK S…..if u really need money…ask us we will donate for u…..u bloody poor leader….and SK devamany….u r real ****** to eat rice with our money. B A S T A R D S
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I think for some reason that this approach is not going to get us Indians in Malaysia anywhere. Don’t get me wrong, i favour equality and justice. I do believe very strongly that being called a “Malaysian” and being treated as a true “Malaysian” is 2 different things; but that is not the Britishs’ fault neither is it the BSN’s! Every leader of a race in malaysia only wants to make sure that the rights of their people is taken cared of and that they are not exploited in anyway. The same here! The party that should be held responsible here is the leader of the Isdians in Malaysia- the person elected to protect our rights and freedom!! So i really believe that what HINDRAF is doing deserves a thumbs-up, but the approach is not sensible. To file a suit for RM14trill for the marginalization that took places 150 years ago by the British is not necessary. Instead, it would be more appropriate to question the ruling of this country with the help of the international courts or the Queens council.
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i love our INDIANs…….valge tamil,valarga tamilargal… HINDRAF try to help ussssss, wer u all hindu makkalz????…. fight for our rights… WE live for US,….
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samyvellu should step down pronto!!!!!!! give the more educated indians a chance to change our malaysian indianz fate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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samyvellu down down down down !!!! HINDRAF VAALGA!!!!!
TO ALL INDIANS don give up now!!!! keep the fighting for indian rights spirit alive in you!!!!!!
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no comments here needs some action to wake up indian ?
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Are you all Indian or Malaysian?
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samy vellu is only pak turut of kerajaan
HINDRAF is the only organisation that fights for Indian rights in Malaysia
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You INDIANS must get a grip. Be greatful for your peace living in Malaysia. Let us be reminded, we Malaysian are rational and will not to be provoked with such cheap political tactic.
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hahahahha, hilang dah komen aku haritu. alo ****** sekalian. KORANG NI GILA KE APA NAK SAMAN BRITISH SAMPAI 10 TRILION? GILA KA? sebenarnya british tak salah sebab bawak korang masuk sini untuk jadi *****, cuma diorang salah sebab tak angkut keluar semua ****** ni balik ke tanah besar dia. hahahahaha. jadi tolong jangan buat lawak bodoh. geli hati aku baca. tuntutan tak masuk akal. memang sesuai la dengan ***** anda semua
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Acam illai ! Acam illai !
Acam enbathileyeh !
Ichagathil oralaam ! Ethirthu nindra pothilum !
Acam illai ! Acam illai !
Acam enbathileyeh !
“UNAVUKKAGA VAZHATHEY - UNARVUKKAAGA VAZHNTHIDU”
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Its a pity this should happen. Very sad indeed as a Malay muslim I have not survive on govt handout or UMNO handout. I work hard too. Even my business never gets a chinese or indian support. So its how we all survive. I beleive GOD helped all the way.
I pray that we get the justice we all deserve.
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u guys’ grandparents and parents devoted their life to develop the country?
like hell.. they came under british to look for money.. that;s all..
when we strive for our independence, only the malay give up their money, barang kemas and all just to send our first prime minister to london..
what did they do?
come on la.. developing the country, we all know only the malay do that because this is their original homeland..
yeah, this country also develop because of the other races but they don’t strive for the development, they did things just to get money..
no offense, but please revise your statement…
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v hz got our right 2 malaysia…
nam nadu malaysia!!!
nam nadu valka!!!
so cum together 2 get our right 2 malaysia…
cum together 2 safe HINDRAF….
V cnnot believe SAMY VEELU..
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I think MIC should go to hell, HINDRAF should be come a political party. I’m sure we can see A LOT of changes. Where on earth was MIC when the tempels went down?! There was no word from them AT ALL! And today, the peacefull gathering by HINDRAF was torn away by Police…why?!
Hats off to the 4 lawers who are standing for us… They will always have God’s blessings.
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i was just thinking….how would it be like if HINDRAF and BERSIH was to run the country?
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I have more than 50 thousand friends and relatives, i will make sure each of everyone will not vote to Barisan anymore and we will unite together tp support Hindraf 1000%.
Valga tamil makkal … Valga Indraf…..
“Dei Samyvellu…ithode unake aaappu doi “
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Hello Indians…
You guys probably need to look at your mentality.. your attitudes… don’t blame people when you just can’t compete with others… what a sad people you guys are !
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I’m very proud of malaysian indian and Mr. utayakumar n Co’s of their actions towards m’sian goverment. I think this is still not late for us to fight for our own rights. I feel ashamed of the action taken by m’sian gvt for being soo cheap by using police force in a cruel manner against us… even after being told as its an Humble request.
from the action taken by m’sian gvt, we could understand that they’re guilty and affraid of what they did to us so far. Its kind of a victory to us too…
Anyways, may our great god will be always with us to protect us and the victory will be ours.
Justice will win.
We’re indians… will be always Malaysian indians.
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i wonder why people bring gandhi’s picture to the demonstration done by Hindraf. if we love malaysia, i think we should bring the picture of tunku abdul rahman and their team including tun sambanthan and tun tan cheng lock who had struggle in giving malaysia a ‘merdeka’. learn the history…think carefully dun just use emotions….
love the peace malaysia
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Hi Indians,
I’m amazed with HINDRAF ..to be honest. Nobody have thought the idea to take a legal action against British govt. Whether we will be granted with money is doesn’t matter but what is important we are sending message to the world and goverment. HINDRAF classic file suit will be in law history..hats off!!!.
Anyway coming back today’s hot news..speech by SK DEVAMANY is absolutely rubbish. He couldn’t answer the newscaster question…he doesnt know the meaning of democracy. Poor man.
All the best to Hindraf team. Salute you guys..it takes courage to do this.
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Hindraf is da bes. A big salute 4 u.
Gud luck with the Queen Elisabeth.
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gandhi=peace
he never used violence
that is what we are trying to portray. a peaceful rally. dont have to handle us so harshly when we just requested for a peaceful march. so bringing the picture of mahathma gandhi has a meaning; i suppose. i can understand ^_^
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Well done Hindraf….!
We must support for our rights…..
Hi… MIC guys please shut your bleedy mouths.
What you all done in pass 50 years back? ..nothinglah…
You all just fill your own pocket.
Next election majority of indian wont vote for BN…
Datuk S…, hello botak bila nak letak jawatan ?
Kerusi kau belum panaskah?.. Bagilah
peluang kepada genarasi muda…
Pengikut pengikut Datuk.S… is’t you all realy indian? Do you know that the HINDRAF fighting for what and for who… Please support for them.
VALGA HINDRAF ….
VALGA TAMIL …..
VALGA TAMIL MAKKAL…
VALRGA TAMIL SAMUTAYAM….
OLIGA DATUK BOTAK……
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I strongly agree with HINDRAF, never ever in any countries that the governmernt has been questioned, now in Malaysia for the first time we did.. Definitely the government have to answer for it… May god bless our fights for justice..
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This is a sad sad month for Malaysia. Even after 3 protest, the first is 2,000 lawyers going to Putrajaya, 2nd is BERSIH with 40,000 people to hand letter to King and now 20,000 people marching in KLCC my god, when is UMNO going to understand that the rakyat is getting feed-up of UMNO??? All these marchers are from all races which includes the poor melayu, the poor chinese and the poor indians. How come UMNO people are all rich? MCA are also rich? and MIC Sami Veloo acts like a billionaire?? that’s because they have plundered all our rakyat’s taxpayers money and also our EPF. I can see a lot of MCA politicians driving BMW while the poor chinese have to struggle selling VCDs to make a living. I can see Khairi Jamaluddin the son-in law of PM driving a sports car and also staying in a bangalow worth millions of dollars, do you think Khairi earns it wif sweat??? dun you think it comes from the rakyat’s taxpayers money?? So why are Malaysians still so stupid to contribute taxes?? Because they are afraid of UMNO. Seems like UMNO and the govt is extorting money from the rakyat, how many billions is going to the pockets of these UMNO cronies - we can see for ourself with mega projects while the poor nelayan and poor melayu farmers still live in the attap house. Do you think Barisan National is helping us rakyat?? Think again…..look see who is driving mercedes and BMWs?????
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If anyone want to know the real reasons why the Indians in Malaysia can’t compete with the Chinese, this blogs has tons of evidence.
Just look at the comments here, all emotional and irrational utterings, without a shred of logic.
Bringing Gandhi’s picture is an INSULT to the great Saint. Gandhi never preached violence or hatred. He just preached non-cooperation. He never uttered seditious statements on others nor he used religion for political purposes.
These Hindraf people like just a bunch of opportunists who is leading the naive Indians to their doom.
To those so-called heroes who broke the law and attended the rally today, let me ask a question. What did you accomplish today ? Do you think the Malaysian govt will agree to your requests after this ?
And what’s next ? Wait for the British govt to reply ? Or organize more rallies ? The only thing you have accomplished today is to create some publicity in the international media and this will be quickly forgotten in a few days. Of course you can organize rallies everyday but after a few times, Al Jazeera and BBC will be quickly lose interest and move on. It is not that they have some special feelings for the Indian community.
I don’t see you have a plan or any chance of succeeding. Go ahead and vote for the Opposition or the HINDRAF people. Do you think it will make a difference when we are only 7% of the population ?
This could be painful to hear but there is nothing that HINDRAF can achieve for Indians other than give the “Syok sendiri” feeling by organizing talks and rallies. Folks, this is not Patti Mandram or Tamil movie, this is real life. Wake up !!
These people have been blaming UMNO but my dear friends, like it or not we need UMNO and not the other way around. It is better to have UMNO as a friend than an enemy.The accusations that UMNO has deprived Indians is so lame that it is so racist.
Please understand that it is NOT UMNO or NEP that make Indians backward but the real cause is YOU, the Indians themselves. NEP is not fair, granted but its impact is negligible. Please remember, only losers blame others for their failures. People who succeed take responsibilites and shed self-pity.
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Helma Noor
In case you are confused, we have a thing called Election which is held every 5 years so the rakyat can voice out their opinion on the govt they want.
If we use rallies as indicators of people’s opinion, then we will have rallies everyday in Malaysia.
That you have a job and live in a house and not in some squatter colony is evidence enough that the govt has done enough for the rakyat. There are hundreds of millions of Indonesias, Filipinos, Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis,Chinese are waiting to come to Malaysia.
Wake up and thank your lucky stars that you have what you have….instead of bitching on how unfair the BN govt is.
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Hindraf perjuangkan apa? Hak untuk kebebasan dirikan kuil atau hak sama rata untuk orang India ? Kita pun ada confuse jugak… Jangan senang2 guna perkataan India… bukan semua India agama Hindu…. Negara sudah aman… tapi masih ada rakyat Malaysia yang terlalu emosi…. tengok negara lain… bukan aman sangat… kalau ada citizen macam ni… kita takut imej Malaysia yang aman akan jatuh… nanti ekonomi jatuh.jadi darurat, penjajah masuk… mau makan ubi kayu lagi ka ?
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I am a devotee of lord munishwar from usa; I am horrified to know that the temple is demolished. Please contact me for any financing/organizing help towards this racially discriminative malays
thanks
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MP: edited for profanity and insult against religion.
Malaysia is a beautiful country by every means of it speaks wonderful. What is so sad to see is that many foreigners fail to see wha is happening in real context. They are not to be blame, i say tis bcoz the custom we practice or to be specific is a closed door democratism. Meaning that, we are only democractic by name but not in actions. Not only being an Indian i’m writing this, but being a Malaysian. As far as i’m concern, the first thing to start with is to change our country’s name “MALAYSIA” change it and it will make a lot of diff. MALAYsia, isn’t that particular name gives an ego to the bumi’s? How ridiculuos!!! There are many aspects that has brought us to an extreme of explosion as on the 25/11 rally. Many supports HINDRAF and the rest goes with the goverment. It is very simple indeed, lets put thing in order and be logic in matters.
Malaysia is a country which consist the strenght of three diff races which are Malays, Chinese and Indians. Very well known for our peaceful and harmonies living. No matter what the race are, we are still Malaysians. Back to the history i noe, which wz 50 years ago. A Chinese wz able to speak our national lg even better than the Malays. They were good in their language. Look at them now? Why is the use of lg not cherised? Why are their generations being brought in a private education system? Tink…!!!
I like watchin P.Ramlee movies, and he himself practice interacial relationships. I saw a movie, whr he got hooked up with a Chinese woman! Thts @#$% cool!
Now…”Cina makan babi” Cina kotor”.
This is all very open and logic, as time passes by and a new leader comes in, every1 as their own way of accepting and ruling things. Malaysia, a graceful nation once now claimed as a terrorist country. When ppl of the superiors change, so does the faith of our nation. All we ask is equal rights? Is that too much? We are not like the Chinese, as they noe their fate in this country and they work themselves up. Why? Bcoz in history, many of the main trading wz given to them, so afta 50 years majority of them are financialy secured and they are the backbone of the country from the economical sector. We Indians are like dust in this country. We cant fight alone. We need help.
Not being rude, but the Malays…the very Malyas, you are being very racist! You want Islam and dying to help other Islamic country. Oh plz ma gov, help ur ppl 1st b4 laying your nose across the sea. Its our money being spent for your fame and dirty politics.
***** bombs,kills,rapes, and many more(specific)…do we see any other race who does that?
Atuk ***** cucu, ayah ***** anak….it’s all you **** *****…we noe what is love and lust and relationship and their limits. Not till a barbaric action like you guys. I’m sure…u noe that, as Nurins suspects wz an ***** too. Is this wht ur ***** thought u ppl? @$#% u ppl and religion…!
If u wanna noe the real truth, dig up in researching! You will noe that Islam is only an ideology. Meaning, an idle way of living. Ideology changes, not religion!
5% for bumis, 10% for bumis and all the assets of the world for bumis. Hell u ppl…wht makes u ppl diff from us. You ******** don speak that well off English so your fate is only here. Earning around 600 per month, getting married and given discounts merely in everything…even buyin yur undergarments. Shit!!!
I have good Malay friend ,coz they can think out of the box. The noe what is good and bad. They enjoy life and yes they are humans.Making monthly inspections to churches jz to see whether a Malay is converting or not.How stupid of you ppl?
The gov has done a lo for the country, by a lot is not the matter, what matters is not the quantity but the quality.
To all Malaysian, we are strong when we are together, pls supports us Indians as you too are in the same boat once upon a time fighting with the whites. Now the fight is for our RIGHTS.
Thx you. God bless ma ppl and country.
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MP: try asking the indians who were there what actually happened. or see the photos yourself at jeffooi. there are many video recording using hp. musa hassan cannot continue lying like this.
i suggest you visit jeffooi’s site and also other blogs/websites. try these first:
http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/11/hindraf_rally_ethnic_minority_1.php
http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/11/hindraf_rally_ethnic_minority.php
http://www.aljazeera.net/english
i’ve been reading the star for ages. this time, i’m ashamed at the reporting the did.
Gandhian principles ? Non-violent ? peaceful assembly ? I am ashamed to be an Indian….those who took part in the rally..you guys are a disgrace to the community…The only point that you have proven is that yet again that the Indians are indeed a gangster community and a violent bunch of people….
See the report below….Shame you !!
Batu Caves temple property damaged, 69 protesters held
KUALA LUMPUR: Demonstrators broke into the Batu Caves temple compound and destroyed temple property early yesterday morning, Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said.
He said the crowd that had gathered there swelled from a mere 200 people just after midnight to more than 1,000 by about 2am.
“The demonstrators forced open the locked gates and started breaking temple property, prompting the temple committee to lodge a police report,†he said.
Minutes later several trucks of policemen, including those in plainclothes and members of the Light Strike Force unit, arrived at the temple and told the demonstrators to disperse.
However, they refused and instead fled into the temple premises, when police gave them a last warning.
When policemen pursued them, the demonstrators pelted and attacked them with stones and inter-locking bricks, resulting in several policemen being injured.
The demonstrators also threw a Molotov cocktail at a tourist charter bus, setting in on fire. They also shattered the windscreens and windows of several passing cars by throwing stones and bricks at the vehicles.
Musa said no tear gas or water cannons were used at the demonstrators during the incident.
“By about 4am, 69 people had been arrested,†he added.
As at press time, police were keeping a close watch on the area
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i support the HINDRAF…100%
To all Indians lets go after hindraf.. they r fighting for us for our future….let us take this chance to fight for justice. Breaking the temples are too much. How if we break the mosques will they be quiet?? Of course not.. So we hv to prove it also.. come on all lawyers n youngsters show ur power…
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breaking temple is most rude and only ghost and k toyol will do this job and remember you should pay for this . the almighty God is watching you . fcuk foo
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Dear Daboo
Well i guess you think that yourself are soo wise and think out of the box. Maybe you are just too far out the box & going to sky.
quote you “If u wanna noe the real truth, dig up in researching! You will noe that Islam is only an ideology. Meaning, an idle way of living. Ideology changes, not religion!” Where did you got this stuff. dont bluff that you did research, I could do the same to yours.
To all other fellow malaysians (indian). Please be mindful on religion issue. Muslim have faith in theirs as you have faith in yours, its crystal clear. So, no point of trying to put unnecesary struggle, it will be endless.
your main objective was to ask for fair treatment not to destroy others, dont you? Don’t do what you dont want others do to you. Its simple.
On the malays special rights, if we were as developed as other races (eg chinese), I wouldnt bother to have the rights stripped. But we’re just not, either its becoz of corrupt leaders geting riches for themselves or becoz of malay traits. What would you say if the indons/banglas have the same right as yours, or your are stripped of your rights until you are similar to indons/banglas. That is our thought as malay too. Just let these sensitive sentiment things stays as it is for the moment. We should try new government, new leaders, in the hope that distribution of wealth is fair to everyone.
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First of all a big SALUTE to all the participants who took part in the rally yesterday…U all r the real Indians..Proud of u all..
Although all of u face some difficulties n pressure from all side not to took part but its really happy to c all of u overcome the obstacles n shows that we Indian are fearless and gutsy in in fighting for our rights..
Keep up with the spirit…
LONG LIFE HINDRAF!
God Bless all Indians..!
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Valga Hindraf !!
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Valga Hindraf !! Bravo Indians !!
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Hi Hindraf ,
Valgha Hindraf !!
Well done u guys !! At least we submitted our petition to the BE.
Dear Malaysia Goverment u have to answer for it !!
I dont understand at all why we cant get the permit for the ‘peace demostration’
Why the gov being so unfair to us ?
They are saying this is ‘Negara Demokrasi’ but i dont see any demokrasi over here.
We want to have a peaceful demostration also they dont allowed ? This means they purposely want us to gather and they want to bring to world that Indian cant understant the rules ?
Please lah wei !! We want peace & our right and you people (gov) pls dont make thing worse ok !!!
MIC good for nothing !
I support ‘Indian 2007′ says : Next election majority Indian wont support BN !!
They many Indian graduates in our country.Datuk S*** ur turn to take rest at home..pls give other to rule the country and fight for indian.
Valgha Hindraf !!
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hai hindraf kaigaleh.naam uyir ulla varai poraduvom.niccayam vetri adaivon
m.vazha tamilan valarga hindraf.
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we as indian should fight for our rights…s9o this is the chance for us to wake up and ask for our right,to make sure our aim to be reality we should be friendly and curb the negative activities. there should be a strong tight among our people and help each other to fight our rights and save our generation. Hindraf vaalga….
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mau saman itu british goverment ka?..ini macam la..angkat itu wang RM1 juta setiap india dalam ini negara..Malaysia goverment bagi lagi satu juta setiap org..lepas itu..itu Malaysia goverment hantar semua balik India..mau ka?…kakakaka..kelakar la korang
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jangan undi BN. Tak guna punya parti la itu lagi baik sokong Udhaya Kumar. Samy vellu langsung tak guna punyai orang isteri **** apa guna isteri pun tak hormat dia. suruh itu samy jaga anak dia dulu
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I m a malaysian living in Canada. I and my fellow friends here(malaysians)think that Datuk Samy Velu is good for nothing.He should step down ASAP.He has never done anything good for our indian community and also he’ll not be doing anything in the near future.He’s good to blab.If he would have done something before, we indians will be somewhere now.So he has to be blamed for all our ill treatment and descrimination in Malaysia.I strongly suggest that we should all support Mr Uthayakumar and his team who have gone through all this way to seek justice for us…
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yes… perhaps those who are joining hindraf will go back to their hometown “india” and make their house from tanah liat and get paid for salary rm1.00 a day
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To all malaysian indians and especially for Datuk Samy Velu…Since Samy Velu has been in power..What did he do for us (indians)?.As I could remember, he said that he came from a very poor background and he travelled all the way to Australia to have a new ******* hair style..damn blady wig and he desires to have more than one wife, illegitimate kids which he doesn t know…All this while being in power: indians became poor where else he became fat and ugly.On top of it filling his own bank balance…If he wants a chance to repent now is the best time to step down.If not he’s going to obese n die of high cholestrol and heart attack…Samy Velu we hope that u ll make the right choice..because i’ m an indian and you are one too.. I care and love you so much…beyond any limits so act quick!!!!
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Because i don’t have the rights in my own country, I have to come to Canada to have a better future.I’m a political Science Stud in local university here..Education is a key to success and they took that away from me by not giving me a chance to pursue my ambition in my own birth country(Malaysia)..which is totally unfair.No doubt,that i’m happy in Canada.I still want to support my fellow friends and family members back home.HINDRAF my good wishes and god bless your mission!!!Heads off!!!!!!!
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BN bodoh la. Ramai rakyat miskin. Yang kaya terus kaya. Yang miskin terus miskin. Yang sederhana, mcm mau mati aja idup. Semua harga naik. Gila punya BN. Woi BN bagi la rm1 juta seorg ke, baru la kami puas hati. Bengong! Kalau tak pun kurangkan aje cost of living skrg ni. Too high god damn it! Elektrik naik, air naik, tol naik, Minyak naik, gas naik. Semua bende naik. Bengong! We should not vote BN for the next generation election. I pray that we have a military coup. So that Malaysia will go in ruins and reset and restart all over again. So all become fair again. The rich people should give all they money and property to the poor and mediocre. Kill all the rich hags and our stupid leaders!
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woi kelingparia! kau ni gile ke apa! Biar la diaorg nk minta 10 trillion pun dari British government. Aku pun nk join sekali mintak 1 trilion utk diri aku. Boring la duk miskin begini. Bengong punya kerajaan! Senang2 suruh aje bill gate bagi dia punya harta kat kita org. Habis cerita. Pasal tu la skrg ni ramai mau migrate ke negara lain. Negara kita byk corruption. Yg keje kerajaan goyang kaki. Gaji keje kerajaan tinggi, tapi keje macam sial. Bodoh la semua pekerja kerajaan. Yang kita ni keje swasta, mcm nk hidup segan, mati tak mau. Nak naik gaji ntah kiamat 14 kali pun belum tentu naik gaji. Bengong punya negara. Full of bullshit.
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the rally on 25 Nov 2007, made me proud to say I am Indian. Non Indians would have realized that Indian could get united. All the while, samy vellu had been a leader without concern about the own makkal. He and “frens” would be statisfied with BN as long as BN could fulfill their “own stomach”. Indian makkal had been cheated and betrayed by their leaders. Time to wake up for a better generation.
TQ for HINDRAF
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MP: edited for threatening words.
dear daboo, do you want to make malaysia like the next bosnia herzegovina where 13 mei 1969 starts all over again. Where Malay kill Indian, Indian kill Malay, Malay kill Chinese, Chinese kill Malay, Indian kill Chinese, Chinese kill Indian. I hope this happen. because our country is so boring. Haven’t seen any action since a long time ago. I’m ready to **** and be ****. Stupid british empire and its queen. Stupid malaysia and its current PM. I want 1 trillion to be givin to everyone. Not just Indian. But Malay, Chinese and all other ethic or races. With the only condition that you need to either be poor or earning less than 2000 below. Those who earn 2000 above should be *** with a ******. Bang! Headshot!
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Tony fernandez should take over Semi Value!
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hidup hindrance!!!!!!
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MP: can you provide the source as well? i can’t find it. will post in the blog if got source.
Folks,
This is the official response from the Selangor state govt on the Padang Jawa issue. Read it and understand the real issue and don’t get emotional unnecessarily and don’t get conned by HINDRAF’s lies.
Kerajaan Negeri Selangor ingin menjelaskan kekeliruan yang ditimbulkan oleh pihak yang berkepentingan politik, terutamanya PKR, yang telah menyebarkan maklumat melalui Sistem Pesanan Ringkas (SMS) serta menghasut penganut-penganut Hindu di Malaysia untuk bertindak tidak mengikut peraturan.
Adalah perlu dinyatakan bahawa tanah setinggan Rimba Jaya, Shah Alam bukanlah milik kerajaan negeri seperti yang didakwa. Sebaliknya ia dimiliki sebuah syarikat swasta yang kemudiannya gulung tikar dan diletakkan di bawah Danaharta.
Danaharta kemudiannya membenarkan sebuah syarikat baru mengambil alih tanah tersebut. Berikutan pengambil alihan ini, syarikat tersebut perlu memajukan kawasan yang diambil alih bagi mendapatkan kembali pulangan modal yang telah dikeluarkan ketika mengambil alih tanah ini.
Oleh kerana di atas tanah tersebut terdapat 1121 setinggan yang tinggal, maka Kerajaan Negeri Selangor telah mengenakan syarat supaya syarikat tersebut menyediakan rumah-rumah kos rendah dengan subsidi RM 7, 000.00 sekeluarga/seunit kepada semua keluarga setinggan.
Pada peringkat awal syarikat tidak mahu membina rumah kos rendah dan rumah ibadat kepada umat Islam dan Hindu.
Namun Kerajaan Negeri bertegas bahawa kawasan itu tidak bolah dimajukan selagi syarikat pemaju tidak mengemukakan pelan yang meliputi pembinaan rumah kos rendah serta menyediakan kawasan tapak untuk surau dan kuil secara percuma dan sah.
Setelah syarikat bersetuju dengan syarat yang dikenakan, Kerajaan Negeri telah mengeluarkan notis pertama pada 2005.
Walau bagaimanapun penduduk tidak bersetuju dengan tawaran pemilik tanah yang dibuat melalui Kerajaan Negeri. Dalam hal ini Kerajaan Negeri telah menjadi orang tengah untuk berunding untuk mendapatkan penyelesaian yang menguntungkan kedua belah pihak.
Setelah diadakan rundingan, lapan puluh peratus (80%) penduduk bersetuju dengan tawaran tersebut. Mereka berpindak ke rumah Council yang telah disediakan di Shah Alam juga.
Apabila notis kedua dikeluarkan, terdapat 11 pemilik rumah tidak bersetuju dan memfailkan kes ini di Mahkamah Tinggi Shah Alam. Perbicaraan telah dijalankan di antara peguam pemilik tanah dengan peguam setinggan.
Keputusan mahkamah mengatakan bahawa setinggan perlu kosongkan kawasan tersebut dan pemilik tanah berhak bersihkan kawasan tanah tersebut. Setinggan memfailkan permohonan ke Mahkamah Tinggi dan keputusan memihak kepada pemilik tanah. Pihak setinggan sekali lagi memfailkan kes ke Mahkamah Tinggi Rayuan. Keputusan tetap menyebelahi kepada pemilik tanah kerana itu adalah tanah persendirian.
Pemilik tanah telah memohon bantuan kerajaan negeri untuk membersihkan kawasan tersebut dan kerajaan Negeri bertanggungjawab mengikut Akta Kanun Tanah Negara membantu proses pembersihan tersebut. Kerajaan negeri sekali menyatakan bahawa pembersihan ini hanya dilakukan jika tapak kuil disediakan dan rumah kos rendah mesti dibina.
Setelah pemaju menyediakan tapak kuil tersebut barulah notis ketiga dikeluarkan pada 3 Oktober 2007.
Penyediaan tapak kuil ini adalah persetujuan yang telah pun dinyatakan oleh pemilik kuil dan juga telah dipersetujui lebih awal oleh oleh Mendiang Dato’ K Sivalinggam dalam mesyuarat EXCO Kerajaan Negeri tahun lalu. Kedua-duanya memberi persetujuan dengan syarat tapak kuil baru disediakan sebelum dirobohkan tapak sedia ada.
Hakikatnya kerajaan Negeri telah memberi peluang selama 3 tahun untuk proses pemindahan dijalankan secara teratur dan baik.
Kerajaan Negeri terpaksa mengambil tindakan perobohan mengikut Undang-undang Kanun Tanah Negara untuk membenarkan pembangunan dibuat. PBT tidak mahu dituduh tidak mengikut arahan mahkamah.
Pemaju juga telah sanggup membayar ganti rugi, yang mungkin ada, untuk pemindahan kuil.
Malangnya, pihak pembangkang telah mempengaruhi penganut Hindu dari luar supaya datang untuk berkumpul di kuil sehingga sami kuil itu sendiri tidak boleh masuk ke kuil pada hari ini.
Kerajaan Negeri sebenarnya telah memberi banyak masa dan peluang.
Untuk makluman Penganut hindu di Selangor, Kerajaan Negeri telah menghalalkan beberapa kuil haram seperti yang telah dicadangkan oleh Pertubuhan Hindu Sanggam. Malah premium tanah yang dikenakan juga adalah minimum.
Tuduhan mengatakan Kerajaan Negeri tidak membantu agama lain adalah tidak benar. Kerajaan Negeri telah menyediakan kawasan yang besar di Batu Caves tanpa gangguan Pihak Berkuasa Tempatan (PBT).
Malah Kerajaan Negeri telah menyediakan peruntukan sebanyak RM 3 juta untuk rumah ibadat bukan Islam.
Komitmen kerajaan Negeri untuk membantu menyediakan kemudahan kepada rumah Ibadat tidak perlu dipertikaikan. Adalah menjadi menjadi kewajipan Kerajaan Negeri Selangor menyediakan kemudahan beribadat kepada semua kaum berdasarkan kebebasan beragama.
Kepada penganut agama Hindu, Kerajaan Negeri Selangor merasakan bahawa tindakan yang dibuat adalah mengikut undang-undang dan peraturan.
Harapan kami bahawa penganut Hindu boleh membina rumah Ibadah setelah mendapat kelulusan dari pertubuhan Hindu Sanggam. Kerajaan Negeri tiada halangan memberi kelulusan.
Janganlah kita terpengaruh dengan orang yang mempunyai kepentingan politik kerana agama tidak sepatutnya dipergunakan untuk mendapat keuntungan politik murahan.
Semoga tuhan mengetahui apa dilakukan dan memberi kekuatan kepada kita menegakkan kebenaran.
Kerajaan Negeri juga ingin mengucapkan selamat menyambut Hari Deepavali kepada semua penganut agama Hindu.
Sekian, terima kasih
Dikeluarkan oleh,
Sekretariat Akhbar Kerajaan Negeri Selangor
03-55447456
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Tamilarkale, naam vetri namathu uzhaipil. Yesterdays visit to KL town was my memorable moment on wat i dreamt to contribute for my community. we gathered as a peacemaker & angel for our future generation. Never i hv seen my community gathered in non abusive manner and demanded their need just like The Mahatma did. We know the press & there are some media trying to tarnish our contribution by using opposite things that happen. They forgot The God is watching & all our hard effort is judgeable and there should be a positive gift for all our Tamilan
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pepatah yang popular .. hangat2 taik ayam .. auta jer lebih … mark my word .. this Hindraf thingy will not last long … Indian has been known not united, easily can be buy out … whatever the leader of Hindraf .. strong man/women .. all will slowly and quitely bought by Sammy or whoever !
It’s not difficult for the goverment to help Indian (Hindu) the other Indians (Muslim, Sikh, Christian, etc) are less problem (they are more united and easy to fund). Gov will address key issues, immediate need .. Sammy champion it .. key leaders of Hindraf happy … followers happy .. the END.
cheers
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this is Malaysia … bolehland .. government has all the intelegent arms to defuse the situation … cheers !
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What really happen ?
Indian vote for BN which control 80% of the parliment and which give way for them to give Bumiputra get what they want cos no oppose.
suggestion… should reduce their power to make decision by balance that power
MIC… since begining samy vellu try make most out is power to gain wealth ..which everyone know hw he made.This lead to our indian right forgeten by him to stand cos whenever he ask for indian ,,,he will affraid or UMNO will ask about his wealth that people will ask so he keep quiet.
don,t vote for any MIC seat in next election in any place,,,, u know what is next if the don,t won any place.
Malaysia Indian unite
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Fellow Malaysian India, I think Malay should summoned British, ask for 1000 times of your claim. 25/11 mark as an evidence of the long hauling damage you have done !
Ketika negara ini masih baru mencapai kemerdekaan hasil kesepakatan seluruh etnik di negara ini (Melayu, Orang Asli, India dan Cina), Tun VT Sambanthan ketika ucapannya di Dewan Rakyat pada 1 Jun 1965 menyebut :-
“Now, in 1955 we won the elections with a great majority. Then we obtained freedom in two years time. During this period, we had to discuss citizenship and various other things. Now, what did the Malays do – since we are speaking on racial lines – what did the Malay leadership do? They had 88 percent of the electorate still with them. What did they do with citizenship? If we look around in Asia and in East Asia, particularly, you will find that my race the Indian race, is not welcomed in Ceylon, is not welcomed in Burma. Look at my brother Chinese race, it is not welcomed in Thailand, in Vietnam, in Cambodia, in all the other areas. What help do they get for citizenship in all these territories? In Burma, as we know, Indians have been send packing, in Ceylon they refused them citizenship and in Burma it is likewise. I know it, you know it. And yet in Malaya what happened? Here, we found that the Malay leadership said, “We shall take them unto ourselves as brothers, we shall give them full opportunity to live in this country, we shall give them every opportunity to become citizensâ€. And so, in 1957, for the whole year, we waived language qualifications, and tens of thousands of Indians, Chinese, Ceylonese and others became citizens.â€[ii]
Ini yang dikatakan sebagai Kontrak Sosial. Persefahaman dan tolak ansur antara satu sama lain. Pada hari ini, terutama generasi muda telah lupa apa yang dikatakan sebagai Kontrak Sosial. Mereka tidak pernah didedahkan dengan perkara ini sehingga sudah ada antara mereka yang mula mempersoalkan undang-undang tertinggi negara, Perlembagaan Persekutuan. Sepatutnya perkara seumpama ini didedahkan melalui mata pelajaran sejarah di peringkat sekolah. Guru-guru sejarah seharusnya menerang dan memahamkan perkara ini kepada para pelajar dengan bertanggungjawab, dan tidak hanya menumpukan perkara-perkara yang akan masuk ke dalam kertas PMR atau SPM sahaja.
Tetapi jika dipandang dari sudut yang lain pula, sekiranya setiap etnik India di negara ini berjaya mendapat £1 juta hasil saman tersebut, mungkin etnik Melayu juga boleh memfailkan saman terhadap Kerajaan Britain kerana membawa masuk orang India dan Cina ke Tanah Melayu yang menyebabkan etnik pribumi tersebut terpaksa berkongsi kuasa, kekayaan, tanah dan segalanya dengan etnik lain. Sehingga TV3 terpaksa membuat rancangan Bersamamu untuk menunjukkan kepada rakyat Malaysia betapa ramai lagi orang Melayu yang masih hidup dalam kedaifan walaupun sudah ada rakyat Malaysia yang mempunyai kekayaan berjumlah berbilion-bilion US dollar.
Ponnusamy ada menyebut bahawa 70% daripada masyarakat India di negara ini masih miskin. Selain daripada kerajaan, tidakkah 40 orang terkaya di Malaysia[iii] yang antaranya juga daripada kalangan etnik India mempunyai social obligation bagi membantu rakyat Malaysia yang masih hidup dalam kedaifan ini? Umum mengetahui bahawa peniaga-peniaga Cina mempunyai jaringan mereka sendiri bagi membantu etnik Cina yang memerlukan bantuan. Begitu juga dengan konglomerat Melayu seperti Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar AlBukhary.
Sekali imbas perkara ini mengingatkan saya peristiwa robohnya Kota Melaka 450 tahun yang lalu akibat daripada sikap khianat Nina Chattu dan Uthimutha yang menjual rahsia Kota Melaka kerana termakan dengan janji manis Portugis. Mereka berdua ini adalah rakyat Melaka (berasal dari Benua Keling) tetapi kerana hasad dengki dan tamak haloba maka mereka sanggup berpaling tadah menjual bangsa dan negara kepada bangsa asing. Ini yang berlaku kini.
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fair is not equal rights fair is to put something at it right If we don’t like dhimmocratic Malaysia, why don’t we try to migrate back to our motherland? Judging by what was posted by Indians in this forum, I don’t think India is any better than dhimmocratic Malaysia. One might argue that India has very large Muslim population. But China has large Muslim population too though not as many as India.what i want to said try use our brain and eye look around be graful
Kerajaan Negeri Selangor ingin menjelaskan kekeliruan yang ditimbulkan oleh pihak yang berkepentingan politik, terutamanya PKR, yang telah menyebarkan maklumat melalui Sistem Pesanan Ringkas (SMS) serta menghasut penganut-penganut Hindu di Malaysia untuk bertindak tidak mengikut peraturan.
Adalah perlu dinyatakan bahawa tanah setinggan Rimba Jaya, Shah Alam bukanlah milik kerajaan negeri seperti yang didakwa. Sebaliknya ia dimiliki sebuah syarikat swasta yang kemudiannya gulung tikar dan diletakkan di bawah Danaharta.
Danaharta kemudiannya membenarkan sebuah syarikat baru mengambil alih tanah tersebut. Berikutan pengambil alihan ini, syarikat tersebut perlu memajukan kawasan yang diambil alih bagi mendapatkan kembali pulangan modal yang telah dikeluarkan ketika mengambil alih tanah ini.
Oleh kerana di atas tanah tersebut terdapat 1121 setinggan yang tinggal, maka Kerajaan Negeri Selangor telah mengenakan syarat supaya syarikat tersebut menyediakan rumah-rumah kos rendah dengan subsidi RM 7, 000.00 sekeluarga/seunit kepada semua keluarga setinggan.
Pada peringkat awal syarikat tidak mahu membina rumah kos rendah dan rumah ibadat kepada umat Islam dan Hindu.
Namun Kerajaan Negeri bertegas bahawa kawasan itu tidak bolah dimajukan selagi syarikat pemaju tidak mengemukakan pelan yang meliputi pembinaan rumah kos rendah serta menyediakan kawasan tapak untuk surau dan kuil secara percuma dan sah.
Setelah syarikat bersetuju dengan syarat yang dikenakan, Kerajaan Negeri telah mengeluarkan notis pertama pada 2005.
Walau bagaimanapun penduduk tidak bersetuju dengan tawaran pemilik tanah yang dibuat melalui Kerajaan Negeri. Dalam hal ini Kerajaan Negeri telah menjadi orang tengah untuk berunding untuk mendapatkan penyelesaian yang menguntungkan kedua belah pihak.
Setelah diadakan rundingan, lapan puluh peratus (80%) penduduk bersetuju dengan tawaran tersebut. Mereka berpindak ke rumah Council yang telah disediakan di Shah Alam juga.
Apabila notis kedua dikeluarkan, terdapat 11 pemilik rumah tidak bersetuju dan memfailkan kes ini di Mahkamah Tinggi Shah Alam. Perbicaraan telah dijalankan di antara peguam pemilik tanah dengan peguam setinggan.
Keputusan mahkamah mengatakan bahawa setinggan perlu kosongkan kawasan tersebut dan pemilik tanah berhak bersihkan kawasan tanah tersebut. Setinggan memfailkan permohonan ke Mahkamah Tinggi dan keputusan memihak kepada pemilik tanah. Pihak setinggan sekali lagi memfailkan kes ke Mahkamah Tinggi Rayuan. Keputusan tetap menyebelahi kepada pemilik tanah kerana itu adalah tanah persendirian.
Pemilik tanah telah memohon bantuan kerajaan negeri untuk membersihkan kawasan tersebut dan kerajaan Negeri bertanggungjawab mengikut Akta Kanun Tanah Negara membantu proses pembersihan tersebut. Kerajaan negeri sekali menyatakan bahawa pembersihan ini hanya dilakukan jika tapak kuil disediakan dan rumah kos rendah mesti dibina.
Setelah pemaju menyediakan tapak kuil tersebut barulah notis ketiga dikeluarkan pada 3 Oktober 2007.
Penyediaan tapak kuil ini adalah persetujuan yang telah pun dinyatakan oleh pemilik kuil dan juga telah dipersetujui lebih awal oleh oleh Mendiang Dato’ K Sivalinggam dalam mesyuarat EXCO Kerajaan Negeri tahun lalu. Kedua-duanya memberi persetujuan dengan syarat tapak kuil baru disediakan sebelum dirobohkan tapak sedia ada.
Hakikatnya kerajaan Negeri telah memberi peluang selama 3 tahun untuk proses pemindahan dijalankan secara teratur dan baik.
Kerajaan Negeri terpaksa mengambil tindakan perobohan mengikut Undang-undang Kanun Tanah Negara untuk membenarkan pembangunan dibuat. PBT tidak mahu dituduh tidak mengikut arahan mahkamah.
Pemaju juga telah sanggup membayar ganti rugi, yang mungkin ada, untuk pemindahan kuil.
Malangnya, pihak pembangkang telah mempengaruhi penganut Hindu dari luar supaya datang untuk berkumpul di kuil sehingga sami kuil itu sendiri tidak boleh masuk ke kuil pada hari ini.
Kerajaan Negeri sebenarnya telah memberi banyak masa dan peluang.
Untuk makluman Penganut hindu di Selangor, Kerajaan Negeri telah menghalalkan beberapa kuil haram seperti yang telah dicadangkan oleh Pertubuhan Hindu Sanggam. Malah premium tanah yang dikenakan juga adalah minimum.
Tuduhan mengatakan Kerajaan Negeri tidak membantu agama lain adalah tidak benar. Kerajaan Negeri telah menyediakan kawasan yang besar di Batu Caves tanpa gangguan Pihak Berkuasa Tempatan (PBT).
Malah Kerajaan Negeri telah menyediakan peruntukan sebanyak RM 3 juta untuk rumah ibadat bukan Islam.
Komitmen kerajaan Negeri untuk membantu menyediakan kemudahan kepada rumah Ibadat tidak perlu dipertikaikan. Adalah menjadi menjadi kewajipan Kerajaan Negeri Selangor menyediakan kemudahan beribadat kepada semua kaum berdasarkan kebebasan beragama.
Kepada penganut agama Hindu, Kerajaan Negeri Selangor merasakan bahawa tindakan yang dibuat adalah mengikut undang-undang dan peraturan.
Harapan kami bahawa penganut Hindu boleh membina rumah Ibadah setelah mendapat kelulusan dari pertubuhan Hindu Sanggam. Kerajaan Negeri tiada halangan memberi kelulusan.
Janganlah kita terpengaruh dengan orang yang mempunyai kepentingan politik kerana agama tidak sepatutnya dipergunakan untuk mendapat keuntungan politik murahan.
Semoga tuhan mengetahui apa dilakukan dan memberi kekuatan kepada kita menegakkan kebenaran.
Kerajaan Negeri juga ingin mengucapkan selamat menyambut Hari Deepavali kepada semua penganut agama Hindu.
Sekian, terima kasih
Dikeluarkan oleh,
Sekretariat Akhbar Kerajaan Negeri Selangor
03-55447456
Dear all,
I hope we can all be patient and do not take matters in our own hand
all these comments on racism will just raise more anger and might even trigger riot or even war. I dont think we want to end up like pakistan or iraq who are fighting among themselves
I’m sure you guys could discuss this with the authority and overcome this problem without having to create a racism comments. I’m always grateful that I’m living in this country instead of Iraq or Pakistan, or even Thailand
At least, when I’m walking down the street I only need to be scared of pickpocket or snatch thief. Even if I did become a victim of any of these crime, and I’m happen to be walking in the street I can be sure that there are others who will help me.no matter what race they are
But now that everyone was raising this issue, we are now eying each other with suspiciousness.We are no longer could put trust on others from different races. Why? Because we are raising all these comments on racism
I have no objection at all in the matter of u guys trying to obtain ur right, but please dont involve the race issue
One more thing, regarding the rally even the Malays who plan on rallying in Jln Istana last week were arrested. So its really not a matter of race
Please, I think we would really like to live in peace
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Dear Indian
I’m so proud born like indian and die like indian..
We prove what we done y’day…Dear HINDRAF All penang indian citizen support what ever saturation..
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polis tried to KILL indians gathered near gleneagles, they blocked both sides of the roads and start shooting with tear gas and water canon, crowd has no where to go and at last use force to get out. This is total brutal act by the polis clearly wants to KILL the indians. Same happened in Batu caves they were locked inside the temple the gates was closed and the hit by tear gas and water canon. How could they get out ? HINDRAF supported was forced to use FORCE to save their lives. DONT READ AND LISTEN TO LOCAL NEWSPAPER AND NEWS CHANNEL!!!!!!!!
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I am not an Indian. Yet I can relate to the issues raised, and the demonstration made by Hindraf. It really made me wished that we did had NEP. But rather address the most needy first.
As a Malaysian, I support Hindraf and their goals.
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i will support 100% for hindraf .pls donnot giveup
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MP: my comment is not just rely on the local papers. i think they are the ones that will start riots soon with the very provocative words. when i read the star, i really fell upset with the rally attendees. imagine what others will feel. but when i see the photos in the internet and eyewitness account (from trustworth dear friends), i am shocked with what the star wrote. now..let’s not even talk about nst, bh, utusan etc. i understand the the media are under regulation and can be suspended anytime anyday. but if they want to write a one-sided report, might as well dont write anything.
I would just like to say I was appalled at the escalation of matters as were displayed by protesters in their demonstration on 25/11.
Destruction of public/private property, unruly behaviour and violent tendencies. These are not the way to put forward issues. As a Malaysian, I am ashamed and also sadden to see such behaviour. I applaud the ideals of one Joseph Raj in his comments and opinions on the matter in The Star.
Indians like many other minority races should work together more closely as a community and not place blame on all ills and problems on the government. Citizenship is also a privilege, such a relationship with the government is a 2-way street. Many other races and communities are just as disenfranchised as the Indians in their local standing in Malaysia. Some of us all feel minoritised by the government in certain ways, but we strive even harder in such adversities and pull together as a community.
Before blaming someone else on the problems you are suffering today, perhaps one should look at what Indians as a community can do for itself to better their situation. Most Chinese schools in the country are privately funded because they recognize the need for a better education to better their situation. To say “Indians in Malaysia” are oppressed and disenfranchised is a very limited view of the situation. I have known, respected, and worked with many great men and women of Indian origin in my years of work. I will be the first to admit that the situation does require some attention to improve matters and mend relationships on that front. But think of all the successful and powerful Indians that have done and achieved so much for their country as well, they have worked through the same dire conditions and through their perserverence have exceeded on all expectations of what Malaysians can achieve. I think it is wrong to be incited by a few, most with their own personal agendas, into taking an unruly stand. We do not resort to violence and anarchy one day and start waving posters of Gandhi the next, the epitome of peaceful demonstration.(passive resistance)
To accept citizenship is to accept the laws of which govern all the citizens in the country, in spite of race, colour or creed. The government should not and cannot meet demands just because a large mob gathers to demand such with force, this amounts to proper extortion.(Or much like a rebellion) Make yourselves matter, but not by grabbing and forcing others to give you what you need. Instead, work towards a better sustainable future for yourselves. And if anything choose the leaders that will work for you, and by a concerted effort to improve the “Indian Situation”. I do not claim to know or fully understand all the ills and sufferings the Indian community might unjustly suffer. But there is always a choice in your actions, and such actions will tell to others of the integrity of you as a people.
And the choice is to be The Justified Person or The Unruly Thug?
I hope for the better future of us all, Indian, Chinese, Muslims, and all. And part of that future cannot and must not be achieved through violence. Government and people alike have to start working together as a community and not differentiate between the races but rather build towards a single national identity.
“I am not just Indian/Chinese/Muslim, but more importantly, I am a Malaysian.”
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Pallu pona Sollu potchi,
Muddi pona Vegam potchi,
Pondaddi pona Asai potchi,
Marumaga pona Maanam potchi,
Magan pona Bisnes potchi,
India pona, Maanam potchi,
Veettukku pone Nimmathi potchi,
Ottu pona Naakkali potchi,
Naakkali pona Athigaram potchi,
Hindraf vanta MIC potchi,
Nee pona (Dato’Sri GodSpear) INDIANnoda Alyvuu potchi.
Dato Sri S….kindly pls hv a rest and piece of mind in the balance of your life.
Let someone get back rights back which get lost in the past 50 years.
Thank you very much for your servive rendered in the past years under MIC umbrella.
Hindraf >>>>>>>>>take over the Spear Head go a head!
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Hello Mottai Boss..U ada kah atau sudah mati.Tutup MIC dan jadikan Hindraf sebagai Parti Politik.Berapa lagi mau $$$.Tak cukup 50 tahun masuk kocek.Mottai Boss tak malukah?You fighting for indian or for UMNO.
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MP: what a long sigh!
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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MP: edited for violent message.
The public determine who is our brothers and who is ” Ettapan (Samy Vellu)” If i been given a chance to *** , i will choose ” The so called indian leader SAMY VELLU. One thing i know for sure the time will teach his entire generation of suffering.
Tamil Makkal …. we should not stop fighting for our rites until the last tamilan in this world.
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WILL HELP INDIANS FOR EVER
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vanakam to all hindu makkal,,in my opinian hindraf are great,they did a good for indian,,just they are fight for our right,its not talking abt money its abt rights,so we malaysian the govement must answer for our Question,where is our Right?dont blame us or think we got nottin to do,,and if wanna talk abt dato samy vellu,,better dato put ur head down and said sorry to all indian and just walk off,,its time to change our leader,,if u still wanna stick on the sit ????ah its to late dato..i dont wanna touch abt ur personel life,,,,its ur problem…just think i so close to u guys,,,u dato and vellpari…dato cannot cheat indian anymore,we all know ur real colour,,at last i am so shy to support MIC this few year,,,,p/z Dato times up just give place to the capable young youth not to old man like u! Vallge tamil makkel,,vallge Hindraf,,,Thank You.EX MIC Youth Leader,,C_???? .kl
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kuantan makkal will support hindraf fully.valga our society.oliga discrimination.
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Dear Killer, I am impress that you still support UMNO when there’s so many melayu being poor. I guess we malays can see the difference between UMNOputra(rich) and Bumiputra(poor) Do we need UMNO?? My dad is actually a farmer in Melaka but not an UMNO member. So there’s no handouts from UMNO whatsoever cause my family didn’t join UMNO. But then again, being a traditional farmer and breeder, kita keluarga tak payah begantung kepada UMNO. It would be an insult to melayu or us malays to depend on UMNO for handouts. So the answer is do we still need UMNO?? NO. Second, while I agreed with Killer that a lot of pakistani and bangladeshi and also indonesians are coming to Malaysia to work, you also see a lot of Malaysians migrating to other countries and doing better then most Malaysians here. Even 1/3 of Singapore are powered by Malaysians who work in Singapore(most of them chinese Malaysians) The world is a free market beyond boundaries, people can go to anywhere to work. Base on statistics, there are more indians and parkistani going to UK to work compare to coming to Malaysia(base on statistics 2005/2006) why some bangladeshi and pakistani cannot go into France or Italy is because the govt have ban them from entering. But our Malaysian govt encourage them to come to Malaysia, so there’s an influx of foreigners here. Unfortunately, the past few weeks, our Govt have canceled a foreign partnership between Proton and Volkwagen. And also force telenor to surrender their major shareholding in DIGI to maintain their telco license in Malaysia. Why not ask the pakistani, indonesians and also Bangladeshis to invest in DIGI shares and also Proton??? Hey, Killer, the only reason pakistanis, indonesians and bangladeshis are coming to Malaysia is because they want to find a job and sent money back to their own country lar. Just because they come to Malaysia and work does’nt means that they hate their own country and love Malaysia. Killer, Please have soon logic when you argue on statistics. Well our govt did try to encourage americans,russians, scotlands, aussies and also chinese to come to Malaysia to work but unfortunately the pay is too low that’s why no australians are coming to Malaysia to work. Killer, pls use your brains, the foreigners dun come to Malaysia because they love Malaysia, they come to Malaysia to make money and sent money back to their own country. If the Bangladeshis really love Malaysia, they would have given up the Bangladesh citizenship and apply for citizenship here by marrying a malay.
Lastly, Killer…It is not me who is bitching about UMNO, the whole world is laughing at UMNO cause UMNO is so proud to send a space tourist to space under a russian spaceship(not so patriotic to travel in a russian ship rite) and still be proud, hahahaha do you know the money spend on sending this so called angkasawan using a russian ship to space can feed thousands of poor malaysians for many years??? UMNO is bringing shame to orang melayu and and shame to Malaysia. To let you know, I myself feel ashamed to be a bumiputra. Do you still feel proud, Killer???
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i think it seem big clash again races here.it going like thai.killer everday.please stop this if we want continue live as usual….i cant imagine that we will fight each other after this.
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hei cmon la why do you indians are not greatfull for our country..for instance in u.s. black people get beaten and discriminated by americans..shouldn’t al indians be greatfull that we live in a country that s peaceful…cmon lah even the police guards indian ceremonys…what mo do you need to say…I’m on neither side but I’m so dissapointed by comments made by these indians at the gatherings recently saying there is no democracy in this democratic country..near aplayground near my house there was two indian men who in the night drank alcohol and smashed the botol on the road and guaes what a chil fell from his bike and injured his knee cap and it was all because these two indian men smashed the botol and the glass punctured the kids bysical tyre …even though the residents was aware of this they never spoke a word because they do not ruind the peace of this place…what more do you want… if these indians say that indians are treated like slaves it is their own fault…if they were to learn hard in school study hard in school they wouldve been millionairs when they grow up but no…now days I see indian student at school are causing havoc at school and sometimes they disturb other students that are studying their ass off….what more do you want….think twice before you do anything…..remember this is malaysia our country….we even have the tallest statue of a hindu god that is the largest in the world…enough said
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MP: hi friend, thanks for the support. rest assured, i won’t be able to buy a bicycle to travel around with income from my blog.
Dear all attendees at Hindraf gathering,
Now you know what we (whovever attend BERSIH gathering - mostly Malay) had suffered in the hand of government’s dogs. We had suffered that during reformasi time. We had realised that long time ago that the gov is unreliable, unfair, corrupt and oppressing. Now is your lesson and we hope you learned your lesson.
NOW, Lets us all (malay, chinese, indian and others) throw the current government in the coming election. I was neutral before, but now I’ll support any opposition to BNtang. You wont be successful just by using Hindraf, WE MUST BE UNITED, ALL RACES, THROW AWAY BN- understood?! If the new gov did the same as BN, we throw them again & again until we got the right & honest one.
p/s- mr poobalan are smiling looking at his happening blog. You could start advertising & generate income.;)
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Parti BN down down….!
Toll Naik…
Semua barang naik..
Bil air ,Bil api, Minyak n gas semua naik…
Naikkan lah apa lu org suka….
Nanti rakyat malaysia makan pasir n lu org
makan nasi kandar , nasi briyani… okyeh..
nanti election datang lu org minta vote…
“Vote for BN …Vote for BN… ”
lepas BN menang.. apa u org kasi…
ini dia…ambil duit rakyat n hidup mewah n kalau
tak cukup wang lagi naikkan harga barang …
pandai lah lu org…
Next election dunt vote for BN…
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I would prefer Hindraf’s votes n Bersih’s votes will be owned by opposite parties this year… comeon guys.. Vote for DAP..Keadilan…. nothing much we need to do other then forget this BN n Velu Samy of Tol.
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guys.. i dont used to follow any politics until this days.. but after noticed what Utayakumar n Whetamoorty n co did… i/m so proud that there is exist of ppl like this to support out community…
It makes me laugh seeing Samy Veelu.. Vigneswaran n Devamany speaking to press like idiots.. no common sense n have no ideas whar the fcuk they talking about. Anyway.. i just today registerd my self for vote this year.. anyway.. i just ask all u guys.. think before u vote.. coz no points of asking goverment to help you rather then u vote to better ppl n bein part of the goverment in future. adiosss
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MP: edited for profanity.
DAI SAMYVELLO ********* GO 2 HELL U **********.
HIDUP HINDRAF
VALGA UDAYA N ALL MEMBER
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Kena cerita lagi pada hari tersebut sebuah surau pun turut dirobohkan….bukan saja kuil..harap maklum
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Well done Hindraf!! …i support u all the way from Poland.
”
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don’t give up the fight!
Preacherman, don’t tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you don’t know
What life is really worth.
It’s not all that glitters is gold;
‘Alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
Stand up for your rights. Come on!”
by
Bob Marley
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Dear Jeremy,
U r rite, the media are under regulation for along time ago..n still by this sec, u just woke up!.Joseph Raj (Star) where we were you before this ..hiding under Umno Skirts? ..without Hindraf u couldnt voice your opinion at all.Hindraf take the guts out n shown.
Hindraf Marley
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Dear readers,
I am a Malaysian Indian and have read all your comments posted on this blog on the above issue.
I do agree that Indians in this country have been marginalised mostly by the policies of the government. It is good that some attention is paid to the plight of the Indians but at what price?
There are avenues to voice out your dissatisfaction. Why call thousands of Indian to converge to hand over 1 memorandum? What point were the oganisers trying to prove?
It was such an insult who see protestors carrying pictures of the late Mahatma Gandhi who professed the road of Ahimsa (non-violence).
In the past 50 years, the government hasn’t been transparent but did it stop us from succeeding?
There are many Indians out there who, despite being from the estates, actually had put in some hard work and succeeded. The same goes for the Indian in urban areas. Though we had a ‘disadvantage’, so to speak, many of us have succeeded.
Our path to success? HARD WORK and DETERMINATION. We went to government schools, studied hard,left school with flying color, got into universities (public/private) - with/without government scholarships we managed to secure ways to finance our studies - and got into public/private sectors where we work hard every day to bring home the dough and improve the social and financial standing of our families and community.
If we did ever face difficulties, we seeked help from the NGOs and government agencies, who were always there. We seeked for help. We never waited on someone to pass us our success on as silver platter.
Young Indians nowadays want to spoon feed. They wanted flying colours without studying, place in universities without merit, jobs with high salaries,and everything by just sitting in one place.
WAKE UP! Everything in this world is not fair! This country is not fair! Does that justify you sitting and complaining about it? No. Get up and do something about it. Don’t wait for the government to help you out. Coz they won’t.
Well, if we don’t voice our frustration, how will the government know about the difficulties we face, you ask. There are avenues. Legal and non-violent. You just have to look for them.
Look at the realities first. Numbers matter. We, Indians, make up 7% of the Malaysian population n yet after 50 years of independence, we only have 2% equity in the country. How do we improve this? By getting more involved in uplifting the society. Thru EDUCATION! Once we have the numbers, the government will be forced to listen to us! N that, realisticly speaking is not gonna happen any time soon. Maybe not even in the next 50 yrs if we continue with the attitude we have here.
MIC, who are supposed to be the beacon of the Malaysian Indians in the country are doing what they can do in the ‘restrictive’ BN. All component parties are restricted. But I do agree that they can do more and be more agresive in Cabinet and Parliament. But politics is a game of numbers and we don’t have the numbers.
Why did the crowd get violent, hurl obcenities, distrupt the peace of the city and its residents, break public property, assault the police?
If the rally had been peaceful, like it was intended to be (i’m sceptical about that) - if the crowd, who had defied a court order, had actually restrained themselves from reacting, they would have been seen as the victim. They would have gathered some symphatisers. If you want to make a point, there are sacrificies that you have to make.
Indians in this country were already trying to shake off the illiterate, rowdy, drunk image for the past 50 years. And what had Sunday’s rally done? It has SUPER IMPOSED the notion in the minds of all Malaysians.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING OUR LIVES AS INDIANS IN THIS COUNTRY EVEN HARDER!
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Weldone HINDRAF…Keep it up…. Our support for you…..4ever….
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hello my fellow malaysian…here is some advice for u all malaysian…first we all should thank GOD becoz we live under one umbrella as MALAYSIAN citizen..plz dont mixed politics with our race n religion..plz dont destroy our harmony as MALAYSIAN by mixed it..i dont wanna my motherland to be conquer again by foreign country..it will be a disaster if it happens again..dont think as malay/chinese/india but think as malaysian..im just a medic student but im so concern with our country…plz dont easily fooled by those ‘penghasut’ dat wait for their chances 2 make ur country ‘kucar-kacir’ just 4 their political importance… i dont support anyone but i just cant imagine how will our country future if we continue think like dis n how our generation will live peaceful if we cant live in one nation as MALAYSIANS!
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We need change!
We demand change!
We deserve it!
EQUAL RIGHTS !!!
MY family and children WILL be there at Buckingham Palace ( will take leave for it if I have to )
We have to “open the eyes of the foriegn media”
Together we Stand!
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plz dont becoz our mistakes our generation will suffer in future!! for me malaysia is the best country in this world!! bcoz the harmony dat make our country in peacefull…just think properly my fellow MALAYSIANS!!our country’s future is in our hand… we are MALAYSIANS n should be united as we get independent day for along time ago!! dont let other people poisoned our mind with their statement about our races n religion just for their political importance!!come on MALAYSIANS!!! unity is the only secret key dat we have dat make us live peacefully since we get our independence day from British…’bersatu kita teguh bercerai kita roboh’!!~
dont let politics poison us n destroy our unity dat our ancesters form for a long time ago!! love our country, love our relationship among us as MALAYSIANS
yepeyo ponna perecennai vecci.. naam nadai kedekathingga daaa nambagal!! namma ottemayagall yirekenum yeppothemai as MALAYSIANS.. wrong decision will make us suffer in future…
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dear muraly,
u said indian very poor. but how come u can afford to bring whole family to buckingham palace?just wondering.
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MP: thanks. i’ll post it. and see what hindraf’s reply is.
Dear MP
This was taken from the official website of the MB of Selangor.
http://www.mbselangor.net.my/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1605
This is clearly shows that HINDRAF has mislead Indians and we have let emotion to rule us.
This is not the first time HINDRAF lied to us and all the while it has been using such lies and emotional issues to exploit the Indians for their political agenda.
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hindu makkal must ask for the own right never be hopeless and still depends and follow whatever other people bout our indian people. We must show our ability as indian peopleand there have no fullstop in our life until we get what we want!!!!Hindraf valga…indian valga…
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To Helma Noor,
Let yourself be ashamed for being bumiputra … coz you’re such a disgusted pathetic. I myself workhard to my current state of financial stability without any help from individuals in UMNO. But UMNO has extend the help and assistance to majority Malays. Who need their help, who ask for help, who need help. You are poison by PEMBANGKANG. I see that work with my frens, brothers and sister for a while. After they realize BA has got nothing for future, merely blowing hot air to propegate their leader who are just like yourself “HASAD DENGKI”. I can’t tolerate all your dafamation words towards Bumiputera and UMNO, coz what you have said some of it was out of context and baseless !
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I will say that this is the correct timing, and a cool oppurtinity to us, as one of major race which are minority in this country to voice out our rights… while our so called & claimed leader Dato Semi Value ismaking empty promises for years… we have someone / unity to call upon our rights at OUR country. What shame is that the gov is always making empty promises than action…. definitly i will go for opposition so there will unity prevail without monopolisation….
my vote for HINDRAF 1 Trillion % !!!
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MP
Thanks for pointing me for the jeff ooi’s site for an alternative view of the incident.
But unfortunately these photos doesn’t show much to back up any claims. And remember that the temple committe had called the police after the crowd turned rowdy. Is this the behaviour of people who claim to be following Gandhi’s principles ?
MP: now, what proof is there that the crowd went rowdy? if we continue this, it will be a merry-go-around, since most likely no one took video of the entire events from a-z. i rely on information from friends who were there, people who have no reason to lie. granted that they may have not seen everything that happened, but so does the media. actually, i’m kind of confused. the temple mgmt says the crowd broke into the temple compound. so that means the one or more of the gates won’t be functioning properly any more. then the reports say the crowd were locked in the temple and not allowed out. so, how was the temple locked? from inside or outside?
But do remember than Jeff is hardly a nuetral or objective person as he is a member of DAP. Those who know Jeff will tell you that he is someone who is prone to exaggeration.
MP: yeah..he writes with lots of added spice and drama. but the pictures did not seem to be doctored. he got it from elsewhere.
But looking at the pics and the Star news, I don’t see anything here that shows that Star or the IGP lied.Can you please point it out to me ?
MP: this statement: “Musa said no tear gas or water cannons were used at the demonstrators during the incident. ” on this post:http://poobalan.com/blog/indian/2007/11/26/igp-musa-hassan-lies-about-batu-caves/ . anyway, today the SAC said they did fire, but not into temple premise, just the compound where the crowd was sitting down.
I don’t think any of the mainstream media carried wrong or misleading reports. But the alternative ones including HINDRAF’s website have a lot of completely false info (like the killing of the boy in Ampang).
MP: i doubt it. the mainstream media chose to focus on one-side of the story. i would accept it if they also asked/interviewed the victims/participants etc. when my source asked people walking around klcc, some were supportive, some non-committal, some opposed the rally. now, that is a bit more realistic. a hungarian couple who were at batu caves told what happened there. they were then escorted out of batu caves and somehow ended up in klcc area. as for hindraf, the mentioned that a third person uploaded the news. however, i’m not sure why it is not removed yet. i think they posted it without verifying.
As for police brutality, obviously participants did claim that but the strange thing is that this was not captured by any of the legion of reporters who were present. You can hardly expect the rally participants to be impartial just like you won’t completely rely on the police’s version.
MP: the police were smart to make sure no media people were around most of the time. my friend was one of the victim. however, there were some shown over al-jazeera. some people have captured scene via handphones. i hope they can upload it into the internet. the situation was a havoc as tear gas makes it difficult to see and hard to take photos/videos by nearby public
Give me impartial accounts of the story and I will agree with you.
MP: it is hard to judge impartiality. my source’s report is being typed. i hope to have done by 2pm today. impartial or not, up to readers to judge.
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Don’t vote BN anymore !!
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MP
Thanks….but I bet HINDRAF would not bother answer the statement from the Selangor govt’s reply as in many other cases before.
I am zero respect for them because I know they have lied and misled Indians many times, which I have personal knowledge of.
My belief is that most of their claims are baseless and groundless.
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I 100% support to HINDRAF. Welldone.
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Valgha Hindraf !!
Saya tidak akan menyokong BN !
Semua harga barang naik ! Semua Bil naik !
Sekarang expenses harian lebih tinggi daripada gaji yang kita terima.
Kena keluarkan simpanan pula untuk manage kehidupan harian.
Tak nak makan tak bolel matilah nanti !!
BN Kerajaan buat apa ? menyusahkan rakyat….
I hate BN…..
Valgha Hindraf
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Guys,please bare in mind that we are not here to provoke any sort of racial issues..We are here standing for our rights and for the betterment of our future generations.
We as Malaysians,should respect other races and should avoid condemning other religions..Please be mindful when posting any comments in here.Do not bring in any racial issues in here.
Please stay UNITED and proof to all that we are not merely here for fun.But we are here to create the awareness to the entire world that the INDIANS has not been given the equal rights.
Dear Malays Friends,
We are here for our JUSTICE..Some of the INDIAN friends are frustrated and they dont mean to harm/hurt anyone.Hope u guys can understand..!!
Sorry on behalf of all of them who has brought up racial issues in here..!!!
Cheers,
-Ashok-
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Dear Malaysians,
A mere changes will gives a mere results, Datuk Samy must step down in order to have a better changes for the indian community, the indian community in Malaysia does’nt want 19th century leader……
Datuk Samy, you as a gangster will always remains as a gangter, you wont be able to lead the indian community to achive wawasan 2020.
Datuk Samy misleaded the indian community, he has sold the indian community.
See yourself in his reply and argueing statements.
Take care
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valga malaysian tamilan…
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INDIAN HAV BEEN VOTING 4 BARISAN NASIONAL 4THE PAST
50 YEARS.WHAT A SHAME.OUR EQULITY DROP FROM 3% TO 15%.GOVERMENT JOB 10% TO 4%.EDUCATION 7% TO 4%.POPULATION STAT 10% TO 7%.AND TAMIL SCHOOL STATIC
FROM 1000 HAS DECLINED TO 523.
CHOSE WHOM 2 VOTE 4 THE FUTURE OF INDIAN.
HINDRAF VALGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Dear DenverMurani,
Datuk Seri Samy will remain as who he was, he deliver result to the many Indians, he provide proper channel, he moderate the power in the Government and in the economy. This is not hooligan job, it’s real hard work and inteligent, amicable, long term and respecful approach to present the minority in numbers and powers. Everyone in the power now has been tackfull to dealt with multiracial issues in Malaysia context. It’s not easy job likewise the oppositor blowing hot air creating disharmony to the majority. It’s okay to fight for Your right ! Malaysian right ! majority right ! whom have the power right ! rich and poor people right ! but only through proper channel, amicable, harmony, civilize, respect, not selfish, moderate and tackfull. For those who support and involve in Hindraf hooliganism, you all have to pay the price of the damage. Government sure will help, Datuk Seri Samy sure will help, but those races who affected by your behavior will not forget, I’ll not forget, the whole next generation will not forget, that for some political mileage of oppositor survival, the whole Nation has been put to a shame. People will re-evaluate who is Indian Hindu is all about, what values they cultivate, what their pride towards nation building, what their view towards Malay and Chinese the core in power races in Malaysia. You will get what you want and what you don’t want too … the price you all Indian have to pay for Hindraf hooliganism.
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My Dear Brother Killer,
Your nick says it all..Listen up,if u r against all this activities,then just mind your own business.No one here needs u to provoke the whole situation in here.U r just being a burden in here by providing useless and baseless blogs.
Im sure that u’ve got brains to think..!!!
Be grateful that the indians are very UNITED and very helpful.
Were u there in Bt.Caves on that day..??? U r talking as if u witnessed the whole scenario.Ask the person who were there and they will tell u on what had actually occured. Stop the discrimination towards indians..
The lawyers are here to help the INDIANS and u r here jesting about the issue.Lawyers will never do such things without proper evidence…!!! U think the lawyers are “dunggus”…Oh puhleaseee….!!!
They have done lots and lots of researches and here we are now..!! Without proper evidence,how can someone go against their very own Government..???
Dei Thambi,cuba la fikir..!!! Kepala otak ko ni dah tak leh guna lagi ker…??? Apasal ngan ko nie…???
Kalo nak support,SUPPORT…Kalo dah tak support,OUT U GO..!!!
This isnt a racism for your kind info..This is an issue with regards to the INDIAN RIGHTS..!!!
Regards,
Ashok
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What it takes for a person to improve their standard of living? basicly hardworking and getting an oppurtunity. So my question is before we argue about oppurtunities are we working hard enough to improve our life, so many youngsters who are busy doing what they are not surppose to do i.e taking drugs, involving in crimes, social problems like falling in love at very young age and we can go on. What is important for any community let it be indian or malay it is better to ask yourself what have you done to make your life better before you complain about what people never do for you. As the great JFK said never ask whar the country did for you ask yourself what have you done for the country.
The followers of Hindraf must remmember that their leader is the same person who once run to England and ask asylum there when facing problem so please dont compare people like Mahathma because I am sure all this hoo and haa is for their own personal millage.
For every successful indian there is a story behind them,so if one indian can succeed why another indian can’t, not all the success indian are from good backgrounds there are also poor and rural indias have done well. Its time we start to work hard and stop begging as the saying goes “no pain no gain” ops I forgot this “THE GOD ONLY HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELF’ so by sitting and talking not only the Goverment even the GOD will not help you so wake up.
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Dear Killer ,
Im reading all your blogs now.
Gosh,u r such a disgrace for the entire indian Community mate.
U have said enough bout Ghandhi Ji..Have u seen him personally or were u beside him during the Indian Independence…?? Whooaaa….!!!
The words that u r using in here may be very interesting to others but not for US,the real Indians..!!!
We are not merely here to stand up for the Temple Demolitions,but its for more than that..To make it simple,we would want the “BUMIPUTRA” Status.I hope this makes it clear now…
I personally suffered when i applied for a Public U.. i was really disapointed with the replies..
Why on earth,the BUMIPUTRA’s get full housing loan and we dont…??? Dei..Think a bit…!!!!!!!!!
There are many other issues bout 33 issues that needs to be addressed…Oh yeah,u did mentioned that u read the STAR newspaper every single day..But how come u r unaware on all this…?? I Wonder how..!!!!
Ur comments are absolutely disgusting..Get the hell outta here mate…U R SUCH A DISGRACE FOR OUR COMMUNITY…!!!!
May Peace Be With You Buddy…
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all indians please support HINDRAF. valge tamil. unnal mudiyum tamila.
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Hindraf hidup! What’s wrong with Najib? This not a racial issue. We only fight for our Indians rights. Anyway Hindraf proved.
Samy Vellukku avaroda problem solve panna mudiyallai.Athule namba problem solve panna poraru.
Destroy MIC!
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go indians…………………
we need a real freedom………….
We are here for our JUSTICE..Some of the INDIAN friends are frustrated and they dont mean to harm/hurt anyone.Hope u guys can understand..!!
We need change!
We demand change!
We deserve it!
EQUAL RIGHTS !!!
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Dear All Malaysian Indians!
I have been following all the comments posted above. So impressed! We Indians still have the unity amongst us in standing against the unjust. I’m proud to be an Indian by birth.
It is my humble appeal, as much effort put in together to come together in standing against the unjust though we have been obstructed greatly by different “concerned parties”, we need come together in joining force to make sure our younger generation are properly educated. We are the only ethnic group who are still rich in culture. Therefore, it is VERY important for us to make a pledge and make sure the upcoming generation are doing well in the education.
My hats off for the different NGOs who are taking much effort in contributing constructively. But at the same time, I do hear of incidents whereby, teachers in our Tamil Schools are being verbally abused by parents for reprimanding their children. I personally have witnessed certain cases whereby their (parents’)action has de-motivated the teachers.
Let us join our hands together to support the teachers in order to built a stronger community.
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Bravo HINDRAF!! Come on people - I have read the comments above. Try and be a little less obtuse/shallow! Try and see the major undercurrents from the recent rallies - by the lawyers, BERSIH and now HINDRAF. And if the powers that be in Barisan Nasional can’t see it - well God help them at the next elections (or “erections” as our Minister of Information would have it!!).
It is the next step that is important - where do the poor of this nation go from here? Not just the Indians but our poor Malay, Portugese, Ceylonese, Punjabi, Bengali, Orang asli, the Kadazan, the Dayaks and Chinese brothers and sisters as well. What next? Ladies and Gents - to ballot box we must go - united in our determination to rid this country of the present crop of politicians who for far too long have been pretending to champion the cause of the people.
It is time to vote off - The Rafidahs and the Najibs and the Samys, the Kayveases, the Ongs and the Lims of this world. And if we don’t seize this opportunity, then we will deserve what we get. Yes there will be massive cheating - just like in previous elections- postal votes will appear from nowhere to save the Sharizats and the Samys and the Najibs - who really have probably never won an election on their own merits. We have to find a way around this problem- we are certainly NOT going to get any help from Badawi - so we will have to help ourselves.
But I believe that if we all work together - we WILL succeed - and HINDRAF has been the catalyst to show Malaysians that we truly have PEOPLE POWER - SYABAS HINDRAF!!!!
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I support HINDRAF
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We are people born from the blood of Ahimsa.
We thought the world what is ahimsa, we will follow
the same way to reach our goal.
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Ahimsa is the solution to all this problem.
our father of Ahimsa, GHANDHI, follow is footstep
and success is ours.
Jai Sita Ram
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I support HINDRAF 1000000%.
WE WILL SUCSESS…..WE WANT OUR RIGHTS….
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tuah67,
You are right, we orang melayu no need UMNO’s help. Kita keluarga depends on our own ability to work ourself to financial stability. I am proud of tuah67 ability not to depend on the govt for help and same goes for all the poor bumiputras whom work their way up without UMNO. So, if our kerajaan really want to help the poor, then they do not need to be racist. Because there are poor indians, poor malays and poor chinese. Our kerajaan should help all poor irregardless of race. Am I right, Encik tuan67?? Allah god almighty, have eyes to see that our kerajaan is bias and treat poor people like 2nd class citizen irregardless of race. Why dun our kerajaan just give land to the indians to build temples?? That will stop the indians from protesting right? So, if our kerajaan is really sincere and honest in helping the poor, then they no need to resort to skin color and race right? Encik Tuan67, do you pay taxes??? Would you like your taxes to go to the poor melayu or go to the rich sami vellu??? Or if all melayu is rich, would you like to see the taxes you paid go to the poor indians?? Once again, it is not patriotic that our Angkasawan sits on a space ship that belongs to Russia. It is patriotic that our Angkasawan sits on a Proton spaceship to go to space. So where did all the taxpayer money goes??? Off course to UMNO’s cronies pocket!!! which include Encik’s tuan67 taxes…right unless you are saying that the taxes you paid goes to the poor indians, anyway how sure are you??? Or how sure are you that the taxes you paid it is going to the poor bumiputra, are should all taxes paid by all races must go into the pockets of the rich UMNO?? Anyway, why should we poor melayu continue to pay taxes when we see no progress in our govt efforts to help the poor irregradless of race color?? Are you trying to be racist, encik tuan67??? Please reply….the poor bumiputra.
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Dear Indian Friends,
Please note that ‘ god will help those who are willing to help themselves’. The BN government, Samy Vellu, MIC, etc was not effective in helping Indians to succeed. Given and agreed.
So what? Many Indian who came to Malaya ,struggled and uplift the next generations. We have thousands of Indians who transformed their life from being a poor estate kids. The parents struggled. We should do the same. Don’t behave like victims. We are not a race of ‘welfare’ mentality. We are a race with ‘manam’ and intelligent. We can face challenges and strive. Please, don’t expect symphaty and support. This is a globalized world. Work hard within your area of influence. Work hard to help your kids to succeed in school. Work hard to instill good religious and moral values to your kids. Help them to be a good human. Sit down with them for the ‘kalvi viratham’Be prepared to work anywhere in the world. Remember , the globalization.
Meanwhile, the good work of Hindraf leaders should continue to instill positive values , strength, discipline, hard work, dedication, intelligence,etc. We are a global citizen. Don’t limit our focus on a small 28 million population economy.
Please remember, we will attract what we focus on. If we focus on poverty, discrimination, etc. that’s what will be attracted.
Work hard, pray hard, play smart and enhanced your emotional Intelligence ( EQ ) to be a good neighbour with all the people we share the country . Please don’t blame others for your condition. Please be responsible - ‘ able to respond creatively to attract the desired outcome’.
Major Praba
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hower pm is mayat yang hidup.tanam dia la kan lagi bagus
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hi guys,
we have alot of people mainly indians, who died of serious illness, they can’t affort to pays hospatilaization fees. so they ask for donation, before they even could get the needed amount, the person died. but our BN goverment spent millions of money for training and etc, to send tourist to space.come on indians show them that we have brains we don’t need a leader that busy answering other MP why that bridge cracked and why this bridge cracked and ETC and never worries about indians. good work HINDRAF leaders. also thank you to all indians we haved provent to them that scropions are to small to worries, but ones stunged you are cooked. this quote by ravi the great
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Though I m not living in Malaysia, I am still truly a Malaysian Indian and often come back to visit my family members. I whole heartedly support the actions HINDRAF is taking. We Malaysian Indians, especially all Hindus must not stop here and must continously give support for all the good things HINDRAF is trying to do for us. And please don’t blindly vote for BN, think wisely before u vote in the soon coming general election. There’s no point voting for a government which doesn’t support us in any way, but only step on our heads! Help open all those poor and less educated indians’ eyes who are living in the estates.They need our help.
May GOD bless HINDRAF.
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Helma Noor,
Again your claim is presumptious, baseless and lack of evidence. You don’t talk like oppositor to make your case. They work on the basis of condemnation, regardless of the many goods as oppose to the few bad. The country run by this goverment has provided me condusive infra for me to achieve my goals. You understand prioritization and resource management. You need wealth to create wealth distribution. Few rich individual will create lots of opportunities to many people. BN and UMNO does that very well, what we enjoy now is the evidence. However still many more betterment are needed. The framework is there, participate, vote your choice, play your role as civilize Malaysians. Not narrow minded plight for just Hindu, Islam, etc. Let the system work, don’t have “Hasad Dengki”. If they rich, they surely spend, financial life cycle, ask them to think about others who need it. Be part of the society, get involve with society building, help in whatever way we can. I’m not keen into politics, not keen into business, but I’m keen into nation building through socializing with the masses. As muslim I choose to do it moderately, within my ability, positive not negative, we have our Prophet Muhammad SAW leadership to learn from. If you choose to support disharmony, unrest, economic turmoil, I can’t tolerate that, 100% against it. I’ll choose to support BN since they ensure stability and racial harmony. The oppositor has no ground to work among themselves, no leadership towards racial harmony. They propergate peoples to hate UMNO, BN that have majority support, is just like encouraging the minority to hate majority. How do you think racial and political harmony can be achieve. Oppositor learn so much from western politics, lack of genuinity, lack of charisma and most importantly lack of capability. This is Malaysia, everything must be in context of Malaysia polical textures. You can’t wipe out UMNO, UMNO is Malay, Malay is UMNO. Everything has to be align with them, not against them. Even Keadilan and PAS leadership the loudest come from UMNO. Now Hindraf propegated hatered against Malay, UMNO and BN. You all support it for more harm than good. When you threaten Malay and UMNO, you make them united and strong. When they strong MIC, MCA and rest of BN components will align to the strongest. I’m 40+, I’ve learn Malaysia politics, I vote oppositor before, mostly I vote BN. I’m Malaysian, true Malaysian, I’m not that kind of “bakar kelambu kerana nyamuk seekor” .. we need to work within the system not out of it, unless you choose to against the system, then I’ll not condone to such act.
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The struggle must not stop here! You must show it 2 all those MIC cronies who have abondoned the indians. they should know that every vote counts.Dont fall prey to sweet talks n empty promises showered in every area during elections. Do not be fooled with the instant kindness and sudden positive changes they bring in your residential area. Put up a big smile, enjoy the changes but in the end, don’t vote for them.
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why aren’t out there Malaysia context of oppositors, who propegates and champions new reform, call for unity, praised every members of the community be it Malays, Indian, Chinese, etc. Genuine and capable leadership. Fight corruptions through fasting, set dramatic examples. Go through hardships, prove your point in such honestly manners. Where people will actracted to them, the UMNO members actracted to them, the Malays actracted to them, young and elderly, rich and poor. Leader that put people interest close in their heart and themself last. Do we have this quality leadership amongs oppositor … don’t think so ? for me BN still the best bet, I rest my case.
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HINDRAF………U AVE DONE A GUD JOB….V,INDIANS WIL ALWEZ SUPPORT U!!! SAMY VELU,GET LOST LA!!!!!U R GONE DIZ YEAR!!!V WONT REMAIN SILENT!!!!!
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MP: edited for personal attack.
The fact remains that the MIC has been a divisive, unrepresentative, class ridden, bunch of houseboys of the BN. It has always been a cosmetic and willing seller of the rights of Indians and about as meritorious and representative of Indians as Bishop Abel Muzorewa was of Blacks in Rhodesia.
Samy Velu, his predecessors Manicka and Sambanthan were nothing more than self interested despots who indulged themselves, gouged the allocation of rights and benefits however meagre these were for Indians for themselves.
There will be no more turning back. We observe the struggle of Indians everywhere,. We aree over a billion strong. The Malaysian government (not the Malays per se) has drawn a line in the sand with the use of force. They have invited force not us. There is no such thing as a democratic nation giving ‘permission to express oneslef in a peaceful rally already denied before it began. Thats fascism. Inians have been silent for too long and thats been taken for granted as well as for stupidity and being timid.
Strangely the Chinese who have always complained about the lack of freedoms in Malaysia and always been the most vociferous critics of Malaysian government policies, today stand shoulder to shoulder with our oppressors the Malaysian government.
The same thing happened in Sri Lanka. The failure of government there to listen and toa ct on legitmate grievances has led to the unnecessary deaths of over 70 thousand people and a bitter never ending civil war.
It is up to the Indians to first remove those Indians who stand in our way. The middle classes who are all too ashmaed to be associated with those they consider a lesser species. Then to remove those from other non Malay communities who ridicule us through the press. Then to ensure discipline and to maintain the flawless orgnisaitonal lines that has now made us a tlking point. They will not muzzle us. The blood of Indians was shed during world war 1 and 2 in defence of this country. We have a god given right to be heard and to express ourselves freely. If not then we will have to fight for it and take it to the streets.
Let them jail us. Let them build jails large enough to accommodate all of us. Let us show them how bitter this struggle can get if they violate us. let us also show them that we hold an olive branch in our hands and not a white handkerchief of surrender.
Malaysia has a world renowned racist political ideology. That includes the Chinese attitudes towards us. It is they who corrupt government, it is they whointroduced the many vices from prostitution and drugs and now having succeded there dress up like politicians and businessmen.
Let us quietly mnitor and identify those in our ranks who betray us. The journalists without spine amongst the Indians who write scrullious dammning aritcles and editorials about us and our suffering.
In the end we believe “there is nothing more powerful than an event whose time has come”. You are either with us or against us Samy velu and all you so called middle class Indians who are at the root of the problem. “If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem”>
Step down Samy velu. Get a career like your ******** on the internet being obscene for all to see. get out of our lives. Imbeccile.
Pullighal Makale
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Hindraf all the way. Dare to be defiant. Dare to stand up, Dare to court arrest.
Now we really and finally have a voice. Not a begging bowl that Samy Velu and his MIC beggars have done for ages. We do not want the scraps from a BN table, we want what is rightfully ours and it is for us to determine that.
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING MALAYSIA. YOUR VENEER THIN ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE IF WE AGITATE. DON’T GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH YOUR OPPRESSIVE AND INSULTING CONDUCT. ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PAST.ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR COMPLICITY IN THE ENSLAVEMENT OF INDIANS.
SAMY VELU.NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO STAND UP LIKE A MAN. YOUR DAYS AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE ARE NUMBERED AS YOU DID NOT REPRESENT US EVER. IT WAS ALWAYS TOKEN REPRESENTATION. YOU ARE NO LONGER YOUR VOICE.
BE UNSELFISH. STEP DOWN AND BE SEEN TO BE A LEADER WITH COURAGE TO FACE YOUR FAILURE. IF YOU REPRESENTED US WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO TAKE TO THE STREETS. THIS IS NOW A WORLD ISSUE. YOU CANNOT TURN THE PAGES BACK.
MALAYSIA’S WAFER THIN ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE. ALREADY HOLIDAY CANCELLATIONS ARE EMERGING. INVESTMENT WILLR ECEDE. SHOW COURAGE SAMY.
Pullighal Makele
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MP: edited for insulting words.
HI ALL ********* AND **** HINDUS(HITAM LEGAM)…LETS PACK YOUR THINGS AND BALIK KAMPUNG TO YOUR TAMIL NADU COUNTRY!!! YOU ARE JUST A NUISANCE TO ALL THE MALAYSIAN COMMUNITIES.WE REGRET HAVING PEOPLE LIKE YOU COMING TO OUR COUNTRY. YOU ARE UN INVITED CREATURE. DON’T BLAME THE QUEEN BUT BLAME YOUR STUPID BEHAVIOUR…SEE HOW YOU GUYS DISRUPT HARMONY IN SRI LANKA…BEING SLAVED IN DUBAI. PEOPLE WON’T ACCEPT YOUR ******** BEHAVIOUR!!!
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Sai Ram dear brothers & sisters,
Let us all pray for the success of Hindraf. GOD is omnipresent & omnipotent. It is with HIS help HINDRAF has gone so far!! Have faith, continue praying and we will succeed….for sure.
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Hindraf valghe!!! and to all those who gathered on the rally…we thank you for the hardship and turbulences u all went through for the future of Malaysian Indians.
Hats off to all of you!!! You are our heroes!!! For those of you who could not make it to the rally, let your voices be heard in the coming election…
So please make the right and wise decision now….It in your hands that can shape our future for better.
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To all HINDRAF members…talk and comments to much..but no action..did you realise many of yr members are not educated and poor,easily been persuade by money by the stupid and mad lawyer..HINDRAF terrorist..police will kill each of you…police will put all indians in lokap, if lokap full, police will put you in HELL!!
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Three Cheers to HINDRAF!!!
More cheers to have pulled off such a peaceful protest and to have brought out the plight of Malaysian Indians to the world media. THE most important part of the rally was the peace because that brings the atrocities of the Malaysian police to the forefront. Now the govt has no blame game on it’s side.
The tempo should be kept alive. All Malaysian Indians in all walks of life should pool in their efforts to keep the movement alive. For those who could not afford due to any reason whatsoever to physically be in the crowd, now the chance is yours. Publicize the event to all your friends. Let everyone know how MULTICULTURAL Malaysia is. How TRULY ASIA Malaysia is.
God be with HINDRAF…God be with the Malaysian Indians.
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to all my frens, yes I agreed that the HINDRAF issue is not a racial issue, but what the other opinion?? can we imagine if we got what we fight here…I am sure that other races will do the same thing like us did. at the end our Malaysia will become as same as the other “wilayah bergolak†such as thailand, bangkok etc. and as the result, we cannot life in harmony and freedom just like we already got now.. that all my frens think carefully before we act..i will always support indians…
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Hi,
How much is the tax you guys pay for goverment? Is it 50% of your salary? Macam ler besar sangat cukai yangg korang bayar tu. Nak ungkit-ungkit pasal cukai konon. berlagak betul, If salary below RM 2500 no need to pay tax ler. That mean you guy had salary more than RM 2.5k ler yer. Autar jer lebih…
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HINDRAF SUCK!!!…
Always make our country unstable. My advice is please don’t choose a ‘rubbish’ to be our leader. That rubbish who use demonstration as a good way to present our feelings is annoying. support ISA.. ISA…ISA
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Dear Tuah67,
As a muslim myself, we must help poor people irregardless of their race. I really do not understand why you didn’t utter a statement like “we need to help poor people” but instead choose to says words like - #“Hasad Dengkiâ€. If they rich, they surely spend, financial life cycle, ask them to think about others who need it.#
Since you are not interested into business or politics then don’t vote for any political parties, stay out of the system and help the poor if you can, but if you can’t help the poor, then please don’t say anything. Anyway, about infrastructure…didn’t you just read the news today? goto :-
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/11/27/nation/20071127165133&sec=nation
a crack in the Penang bridge!!! still called that good infra??? You must be kidding!!! There’s crack everywhere including the new high court that have been build recently which is flooded. All this shows that the works minister is not doing his homework. Don’t forget, our Malaysian govt just send a space tourist called angkasawan to space for RM30 over million just to go for a 10 days holiday in a russian spaceship, this RM30 million which is your taxes that you have paid and also taxes that all Malaysians have paid should go to helping the poor. Do you know that RM30 million can feed how many muslims in our country?? Are you saying that RM30 million should just be spend on a 10 days holiday in space???
You use word like “You can’t wipe out UMNO, UMNO is Malay, Malay is UMNO.” Bear in mind not all malays support UMNO. 60% of the population in Malaysia is malay which is about 16.8 million base on 28 million Malaysians. UMNO only have less then 3 million members. That means there’s another 14 million malays which is non-UMNO members. So don’t use the word UMNO=Malay and Malay=UMNO (very disgusting) I myself is a muslim and I have a few hundred muslim friends whom are malays who disassociate themself from UMNO, please have some respect for all our muslim and malays friends who are not UMNO members. And also please have some respect for our chinese and indian friends as well. Don’t sell UMNO like UMNO is a triad or some kinda roman empire. Malaysia is just a tiny dot in the world map, UMNO is not the biggest triad in the world….Encik Tuan67, please be more careful with your words, do not paint UMNO like a powerful roman empire otherwise you will cause other nations to despise or isolate muslims and malays from our chinese and indian friends.
Thank you.
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Hi Guy,
What hot topic discuss here. I am Malays from Kelantan. As you know we
under PAS Ruling More than 15 yars. For your information there are no
funding from State Goverment to Kelantan. you can read the book
“Malaysia Kita” if had time. Malaysia Goverment admitt the deny any
funding to Kelantan state. But we can takes all the challenge. We are
progresive in education and Economic. There are many excel in PMR and SPM from sekolah-sekolah pondok, were teacher are paid around 1 Thousand a months. Each year many get 10A and above a came from this schools. And without any Biasiswa most of them are able to studying in Mesir, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Everydays TV 1 keep telling kelantanease are poor in this and this. Come and visit Kelantan and see for yourself, you can find there are many personal building and shophouse under the name of Kelantan Personals(NON POLITICIAN) and there are NO “PROJEK BARISAN NASIONAL” building as been scatter around such other place. I don’t understand when came to failure you guys keep blamming the goverment. Hey did gov ever help chinease to their success? why Indonesian can own bunglows in Pencahla and Gombak? Where is you pride? Do you think 1 Million Rinngit each Indian will change the fate of Indian people in future. I would like to know, which party will indian vote in future? For Malays they had PAS and Chinease had DAP. What party did Indian had to fight for their right? Hindraf is not a party? Just asking.
***pst 1: sorry my English is Not good as Indian People but I drove BMW X5 and had bunglow house in KL. I just sell pakaian bundle, pakaian second hand.My friend from kelantan sell water in pasar Malam had untung RM 500 per night. Other friend Sell burgers and Jagung rebus, also able to get RM 7000 untung bersih every months. See how easy to get money in KL..It all about money right or what? it money matterkan?
***pst 2: If I sue Japan Emperor because invade Kota Bharu Kelantan in 1942, How much I should ask from Japan Gov? They more cruel than British right. But now they are rich than British Gov Now. Emm very good idea. Maybe we can do gathering again to send memorandum to Japan embassy then.
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To Mr. UNKNOW SAYS, we did not say, only we Indians have developed this country, pls. understand that first. I dont know where have you study the history of Independant of Malay,
But what I know, is that all 3 communities,have worked for it. I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS FIRST. dont just say it out, what you have learn from school. Check all areas, my dear friend.
What we want is a FAIR TREATEMENT IN ALL AREAS.
We never want to question or take away your rights, just show some respect for us, that’s all.
Finally, a friendly advice, PLEAS READ ALOT OF BOOKS on how Malaysia became a great nation,from there you will know what is our contribution, or just as the former leaders.
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MP: edited for insulting words.
All the shit of each leader trying to be a public hero, Once had he became the leader, he or she wil be the next Mr. Samy, so what are you people trying to do is wrong and there is nobody to help. If you have a house (your own) and can feed your children (plus you & wife) full daily meal in this Country is very good enough. So why the photo “placard†of Mahatma Gandhi doing in Malaysia You should be proud of youself been a Malaysian Citizen and no Indian citizen (which you would be one of thousands living in poverty in INDIA which is been ruled by the high class people and in Malaysia whether you *******, ******* or what ever the respect is still there and your neighbours malay chinese punjabi (excluding bangla nepalese negro)living happily provided we respect of each others right. So THINK, have a peaceful life ahead here, SO what HINDRAF, BERSIH, MIC, BN PAS DAP or what it is can and cannot do for us but for themselves only.
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Whomever is replacing Samy is going to be well…errr the next Samy. No different. With your kind of political style e.g. baling-baling kerusi, discrimination among castes, there’s no doubt that the next leader will do whatever it takes to cling on to his power & position a.k.a. Samy Vellu style. The problem is not UMNO, Abdullah Badawi, MIC, MCA or what not. Go to the bathroom. Look carefully into the mirror. No, you can’t find the problem there. Now take your clothes off, look again into the mirror. There’s your problem!!! It all lies within yourselves. While other people are busy sending their children to extra tuition classes and going to libraries in droves, you pathetic people chose to create havoc, violence and hatred. Assuming that Queen Elizabeth is at the same level as you street protesters, which is highly unlikely, the first person to benefit out of this compensation is the lawyer, not the estate people. Yesss! A good lawyer is a good liar. Think about it.
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Hindraf……………
I think it is a great chance 2 all indianzzz.
Grab tiz oppurtunity.V should fight for our rightz.
I am alwayz ther 2 raise up my voice.Think wat v gonna be in 50 years more.If not now,wen iz it…………………….HIDUP HINDRAF//
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Dear all,
Hope you all have read the papers today about what our fellow brothers did in Brickfields on Monday.
On Sunday, they went to an Indian restaurant and after having their meal refused to pay for it. They claimed to be Hindraf members and since they were fighting for Indian rights, they said they should not be asked to pay. The manager let them go with out paying because he did not want any problems.
These men came back on Monday and after having their meals, took out their parangs and went on a rampage. They damaged the restaurant’s furniture and equipment, thrashed the food AND slashed two workers. So much for being Indian. They caused harm and loss to fellow Indians who were trying to earn a decent living.
What are they are gonna ask next? Free education? Free homes? Free cars? What?
This is exactly why the government did not give permission to the rally. Now, some irresponsible beings are distorting the fight for fair rights!
And the British Embassy says they did not receive the memo when some Hindraf members claimed that they faxed the memo thru?
Whats happening?
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MP: edited for insulting words.
I don’t think you guys know what & how humiliation is/was!!
Your ancestors who were naturally, initially reluctant to be sent to MALAYA when the British brought them, were all GRATEFUL to be the “chosen” ones to be hired as rubber tappers here in peaceful, respectful Malaya!!
Do you know that in India with all those castes, especially during those days, you ***** people were treated worst than DOGS? Spat upon & hurled down the streets? Please!
Well do the chinese complained when the British brought their ancestors here & they chose to be Malaysians?? Nope!.. They worked hard to be rich & not lazy to be bumbs!
I am ashamed of you! Sincerely, “Gandhi”.
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Praba, good points! Cheers.
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One more thing you fellas always shamed the Indians..
Aren’t you people aware that everywhere in the world there are bound to be fights between groups/gangs which are usually race-based??
You complained about kg. medan. As far as we Malaysians are concerned, we know that that is only 1 isolated incident!
In the US itself, there are hundreds of racial gang fights in many of their cities! How about in London, Paris, or even in Sydney??
Haha! In ACTUAL FACT, you people are highlighting to the world that Malaysia IS REALLY peaceful!!.. with only 1 gang fight!
I AM VERY ASHAMED OF YOU INDIANS AT HINDRAF FOR HURTING OUR FELLOW MALAYSIANS’ HEARTS AND OUR HOME MALAYSIA….
Very sincerely, “Gandhi”.
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My support to Hindraf.
We have been tolarating to the max and the end result, we are treated like dungus.
University entrance, sports compliments, employment, scholarships, discounts noting , even if our indians get it would be a piece of bone.
For those feel shamed with Hindraf activity, they himself should be shamed off their self for still sleeping.
My total support to Hindraf
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It’s a shame, some bloggers here have been the greatest disgrace to our Indian community..
Tis is not at all an issue abt race infact tis is abt our rights..
Dear bloggers, i jus wanna know few things here, can somebody clarify my doubts??
1. Why do government always hv soft corners for Bumiputrs’s, for instance discounts to buy assets, loans, placement in U n etc…doesn’t makes sense at all..
2. Recent budget, there is no single cents allocated for the Tamil schools…the fact is this tamil schools student only excelling in the exams compared to other schools..
3. Our temple demolishments with full of violence, tis is wht we consider as democaracy is it??
Tahun Melawat Malaysia 2007, is tis one of the tactics our government use to rope in more tourist by demolishing temples, sorry to say this lah…tourist will never want to visit if tis kinda things keep on happening…..
Well abt MIC n their chronies, every indians in Malaysia knows that all of u are good for nothing..So rather than blaming n throwing out false statement, y dont u all MIC people shut up n mind ur own business..All tis while tats wht all of u been doing…Dont claim that u r all a Tamilian…its a shame for our entire community!
God Bless U all Indians!
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I may have put in my comments yesterday on this website or a different website.
Nevertheless…….I like to say that it is obvious to me as a Singaporean visiting Malaysia from time to time, that the Indian Community is the more economically disadvantaged community.
Emotions are running high about HINDRAF as can be seen in the comments on this site.
But there are also very sensible comments.
Read them carefully, analyse what has brought the Indian community to this stage, weed out the trouble makers or (too emotional members )who claim to be HINDRAF members.Only if HINDRAF members think out carefully, unemotionally, its difficult to press your cause succesfully.
Its interesting to see how many of you view Samy Vellu as an ”inappropriate leader”.
Not having seen all these remarks, yesterday I commented that I would not want a leader who dresses in $5000 suits & $5000 shoes ! A good leader will use that money to help his poorer subjects!
Samy, a simple batik shirt would suffice.
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Valga tamil makal!! Valga Hindraf!!!111
We support Hindraf 1000%.
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Please dont make it racist campaign… we all dont want May 13 incident happen again. We all now should be more intelligent and more religous. All religous teach not to harm/kill/beat other human.
p/s: But now religous is just a religous, it just a name only. Used it when needed only.
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naam endrum odrumaiyudan iruthu seyal paduvom..tamil makkale! nam urimaikalukaga poradungal..valga india samuthayam!
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Sekretariat Akhbar cakap pasal cukai. How many percent are we paying? Do you live in fantasy world? You think tax is only for income kah. Beli barang you have to pay service tax, road tax plus tol. Petrol increasing, if this continues average income people will have to live in porridge. it’s time to fight My full support to Hindraf.
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Valgha Hindraf !!
I support Ms Eswari, For those feel shamed with Hindraf activity, they himself should be shamed off their self for still sleeping.
Those want to write nonsence regards Hindraf in this Blog i think better you all dont put ur comment here.
Pls support Hindraf or else dont write anything nonsense or bad thing rgds Hindraf here.
Pls respect !!
Thanks
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valgah hindraf , we will start educate our family and friends to vote for opposation.
pembangkang pemimpin akan datang!
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Dear Malaysians,
I saw this posted in a forum.
May ALL Malaysians count our blessings. May Hindraf stop being so SO NAIVE!!..
“Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:09 am
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Ini cerita benar, beberapa tahun lalu sekumpulan hoteliers dari Kuala Lumpur bercadang untuk merebut peluang yang sedang pesat berkembang di China dan India untuk pasaran baru mereka.
Seperti biasa Malaysia merasa begitu advantage kerana mempunyai ethenik Cina dan India untuk digunakan sebagai strategi pasaran untuk kedua-dua negara ini. Dua kumpulan pegawai yang terdiri dari kaum Cina dan India disediakan khusus untuk misi tersebut kerana hoteliers kita menganggap mereka ini akan lebih berjaya dari menggunakan pegawai-pegawai Melayu.
Sekembalinya mereka dari kedua-dua misi ini, didapati sambutan yang diterima dari misi ke China begitu memberangsangkan dengan berbagai perjanjian baru untuk pasaran dari negara tersebut.
Namun misi Malaysia ke India pula amat mengecewakan kerana pulang gagal membuka sebarang peluang pasaran dari sana. Ini agak mengecewakan hoteliers Malaysia kerana kerajaan ketika itu sedang bersungguh-sungguh untuk menarik pasaran dari India dengan menawarkan berbagai aktiviti promosi seperti menawarkan pembikinan filem mereka disini dan peningkatan jumlah penerbangan kesana.
Bila disiasat kenapa misi ke India itu gagal, mereka cuba sekali lagi menghantar misi yang sama untuk kali kedua, tetapi kali ini terdiri dari pegawai-pegawai Melayu pula. Misi kali kedua ini beroleh kejayaan yang sangat memberangsangkan dengan peningkatan pasaran baru yang begitu menakjubkan.
Rupa-rupanya difahamkan agensi-agensi di India itu tidak mahu berurusan dengan pegawai-pegawai India dari Malaysia itu kerana menganggap mereka ini adalah pegawai-pegawai peringkat rendah yang tidak layak berurusan dengan mereka. Orang-orang di India masih mementingkan kasta dan memandangkan warna kulit pegawai-pegawai India dari Malaysia itu, sudah tentu mereka berasa keberatan untuk berurusan dengan mereka.
Messsagenya amat jelas, bayangkan, orang India sendiri memandang rendah kepada mereka ini walaupun nenek moyang mereka juga datang dari India sendiri, sedangkan Malaysia masih memberi tempat kepada mereka dengan menjadikan mereka sebagai wakil negara, namun kalau bangsa tu dah hina, orang tetap padang hina, apatah lagi sekarang ini mereka berkelakuan tidak sedar diri macam mereka di HINDRAF ini, membuat orang lagi menyampah kepada kaum mereka yang sememangnya tidak patut diberi muka.”
India’s CLEVER Lawyer, PEACEFUL “Gandhi”.
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HINDRAF???? BULLSHIT!!
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Go back to India if u guys think Malaysia not good enough! Stupid damn Hindraf! - Chindian Guy
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Mmmm .. there are obviously some (thankfully only a few) on this blog site who really don’t get it! The legal suit against the British Government is … well NOT about the legal suit at all!!
Hey WAKE UP people! There are those who are ASHAMED with HINDRAF’S actions?!! These are obviously MIC folk who are doing their level best to stop the steam roller. So the rest of you just ignore these morons! MIC is a gonner. The party is irrelevant. All those who depend on MIC for a living better start looking for another job! Look at Devamany - he has realized what he needs to do if he wants to survive in politics. See how quickly he is singing a different tune. You other morons better take a leaf out of his book.
Address the issues. Go to the root problem. Stop slandering each other and making idle threats. Try and be rational - not emotional. And most importantly, lets try and keep the momentum going at least until the next general elections.
Have a nice day!
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MANAN,
Malaysia’s opposition are simply selfish & stupid.
I sincerely believe an independent candidate stands more chance in getting voters vote for him/her in those half-past six areas (HP6 oppositions included!).
Vg, raj,
Hindraf is ok as long as you don’t mix religion with politics. Like screwed-up PAS!!
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Zainil tamby pariah..better talk like educated man.Don’t behave like uneducated fool.
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MP: edited.
Zainil tamby pariah..You have nice name and you are talking like ***** dog.
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You guys have to think rationally to support for the Hindraf Rally. 50 years we have sense og belongings to Malaysia… but then when Hindraf make this racially issues… some indians obviusly not aware of our peace and harmonies. In this live we have to think rationally…we have to think a lot…feeding our children, freely to study and the harmony of our citizens. Don’t just simply think Malaysia as same as pakistan, India Sri Lanka or Bangladesh…
we want peace and harmony… not “rally” in this country.
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Great job HINDRAF !
We should stay united for such Positive moves.
Let’s show the move.
Together we will make the difference.
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To all bloggers who support the UMNO cronies, please be reminded that when UMNO wins the next election here’s what they will do :-
1. Toll increase from RM1.60 to 2.90
2. Petrol subsidy taken away, now is RM1.92 per liter and when no subsidy is RM4.50 per liter
3. All prices of drinks will increase, actually it is increasing already - 1 can of 100 plus is now RM2.10(today) only Oct 15 the same 100 plus is only RM1.60, when I ask why increase, the shop operator says petrol sudah naik, jadi bila order dari supplier, supplier kata mesti charge lebih untuk deliver 100 plus kepada kedai kita.
4. Tax will go up soon, govt is paying up to RM1 billion per month on govt expenditure base on utilities, equipment and also the recently govt servants income increase by 30% to 50% My malay fren whom is working for govt, last year salary is RM2K but now her salary increase by RM2.8K so must tax the ordinary rakyat more to pay for the salary increase of our govt servants
5. KLSE share prices will go down by 40% soon after election because our govt is using taxpayers money to push up the KLSE shares artificially just to let the rakyat know the our share prices is still very healthy but it is actually not.
So, rakyat especially the poor people including hardcore poor melayu, do you still want to vote the the corrupted govt??? I guess not, anyway we got so many corrupted govt servants in our country e.g. Samy Vellu and our Klang Assemblymen who build tons of bangalows on illegal land(you know who lar, our good friend Zakaria), why don’t the govt just bulldoze his bangalows just like our govt bulldoze the temples??? So wake up bumiputra, throw away your UMNO putra false status because the real con artist originates from UMNO cronies. One question, is Zakaria an UMNO member?? definately……
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NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Deputy Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak once told TV3 in 2004 that if I have insulted Islam or the Rulers then I can be charged under the Sedition Act. And if there are no laws that I can be charged under, added Najib, then the government can always use the Internal Security Act (ISA) against me. Not long after that, they brought me in for interrogation under Section 112 for a crime under the Sedition Act. A week later, they raided my house and confiscated my computer as evidence.
This, we must remember, was after they had done the same about three years before that in 2001. On Hari Raya Haji Day of March 2001, they arrested me under no specific charge. (“Kita akan pikir kemudian,†they said, as they handcuffed me.) And, the next day, they raided my house to confiscate my computer. A month later, on 11 April 2001, they detained me under the ISA.
Well, it’s now three years since that 2004 episode, which, in turn, was also three years after the 2001 episode. It looks like every three years they need to come to my house to confiscate my computer and detain me under a charge they will ‘pikir kemudian’. I suppose, therefore, this time around it should be no different. So expect them to come to my house soon to confiscate my computer and probably arrest me and charge me under the Sedition Act — or maybe take the easy way out and use the ISA on me again.
The fact that my matter has been raised and heavily debated in the Lower House of Parliament, plus every Umno man and his dog (metaphorically speaking of course) has whacked me (and all bloggers in general), while Nazri Aziz and a horde of others have urged the government to use the ISA against me, probably means that the end is very near. (Not sure yet whether it is my end or theirs though).
Anyway, my reply to them is sharp and simple. Raja Petra seditious? Hogwash! If anyone is seditious it is Umno and until today those propagating a blood-bath have not been made accountable for their actions. Was it not Najib, that ex-Selangor Menteri Besar with two Muhamads in his name, and all those others calling for my detention under the ISA who raised their keris above their heads at the TPCA padang in 1987 and threatened to bathe it in Chinese blood? Was it not Umno in November 1999 during the ceremony to launch Barisan Nasional’s election machinery in the Bukit Jalil Stadium that warned the Chinese if Barisan Nasional was to lose its two-thirds majority in the 29 November general election, just like on 11 May 1969, then another May 13 may erupt?
Yes, who in heaven’s name is seditious? (I was going to say ‘who the ****’ but changed my mind so that I can keep this piece decent and suitable for minors). Is it I or Umno? I am alleged to have raised racial tension by allowing comments in Malaysia Today’s blogs that may rub some races the wrong way. Me? Me who has Malay, English, Welsh, Indian, Chinese, Thai, Filipino, etc., relatives who are Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, atheists, etc? Hey, if there was a medal for being the most ‘global’ family I would be he who is most eligible to receive it. My family is almost like a mini-United Nations. And I have not even started dissecting the ‘Malay’ side of my family into sub-groups such as Bugis, Javanese, Minangkabau, etc.
Hey Umno! Yes, you, Umno! You, who accuse me of being seditious and who should be detained under the ISA. I, Raja Petra Bin Raja Kamarudin, is not only accusing you of being seditious, I am also accusing you, Umno, of being the cause of an unknown number of deaths suffered in the 13 May 1969 race riots. And I make this allegation with God as my witness and the testimony of the First Prime Minister of Malaya/Malaysia, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Bapa Merdeka, who went to his grave an extremely sad man and who grievingly said he wished he had died and never lived to see the day that Malaysians would murder Malaysians.
Learning the truth about May 13
The Sun, 27 July 2007
Thank you for your feature on the 1969 riots. This was the first informative article about the event that I have read in my 24 years of life. Never before have I encountered such a revealing account of that episode.
I didn’t get it in primary school, neither in secondary school, nor in university either. And all this while I have studied locally. I think somebody somewhere thought that by not exposing young Malaysians to this chapter of the nation’s past, we would be better off.
But they should realise that history has a tendency to repeat itself. Thank you for printing the truth. Now we all know what really happened and can learn to avoid it.
The May 13 incident as personally related by Tunku Abdul Rahman, the First Prime Minister of Malaya/Malaysia and Bapa Merdeka
At his residence in Penang, 1972
“It was clear to me as well as the police that in the highly charged political atmosphere after the police were forced to kill a Chinese political party worker on May 4th, 1969, something was bound to happen to threaten law and order because of the resentment towards the Government by the KL Chinese on the eve of the general election. This was confirmed at this man’s funeral on the 9th May when the government faced the most hostile crowd it had ever seen.
Therefore, when the opposition parties applied for a police permit for a procession to celebrate their success in the results of the general election, I was adamant against it because the police were convinced that this would lead to trouble. I informed Tun Razak about this and he seemed to agree.
Now, without my knowledge and actually “behind my backâ€, there were certain political leaders in high positions who were working to force me to step down as a PM. I don’t want to go into details but if they had come to me and said so I would gladly have retired gracefully.
Unfortunately, they were apparently scheming and trying to decide on the best way to force me to resign. The occasion came when the question of the police permit was to be approved.
Tun Razak and Harun Idris, the MB of the state of Selangor, now felt that permission should be given knowing fully well that there was a likelihood of trouble. I suppose they felt that when this happened they could then demand my resignation.
To this day I find it very hard to believe that Razak, whom I had known for so many years, would agree to work against me in this way. Actually, he was in my house as I was preparing to return to Kedah and I overhead him speaking to Harun over the phone saying that he would be willing to approve the permit when I left. I really could not believe what I was hearing and preferred to think it was about some other permit. In any case, as the Deputy Prime Minister in my absence from KL, he would be the Acting PM and would override my objection. Accordingly, when I was in my home in Kedah, I heard over the radio that the permit had been approved.
It seems as though the expected trouble was anticipated and planned for by Harun and his UMNO Youth. After the humiliating insults hurled by the non-Malays, especially the Chinese, and after the seeming loss of Malay political power to them, they were clearly ready for some retaliatory action. After meeting in large numbers at Harun’s official residence in Jalan Raja Muda near Kampong Bahru and hearing inflammatory speeches by Harun and other leaders, they prepared themselves by tying ribbon strips on their foreheads and set out to kill Chinese. The first hapless victims were two of them in a van opposite Harun’s house who were innocently watching the large gathering. Little did they know that they would be killed on the spot.
The rest is history. I am sorry but I must end this discussion now because it really pains me as the Father of Merdeka to have to relive those terrible moments. I have often wondered why God made me live long enough to have witnessed my beloved Malays and Chinese citizens killing each other.â€
Dear PM/DPM
If you think we Indian supported you all this while - it is because we do not want history to repeat itself. Not because we have faith in your government.
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Dear Gandhi,
Such an Embarrassment buddy..We sympathize u for all this useless comments on this blog by using the Great Leader “Mahathma Gandhi Ji’s” name..
No one is confused with the religion and politics.We are very clear (crystal) on what we are doing.Do not have to say anything negative if u r againts it.
Would really appreciate if u can just keep ur stinking mouth shut and ur brainless brain quiet..!!!
If u wanna voice up,by all means do it with full of intelligence and not here.It shows how stupid and how unprofessional u r..!!
Stop making urself as a laughing rubbish bin in here..U r making every single indians to laugh their lungs out..
Such an ungrateful INDIAN..!!! Shame on u man…
Kalau nak membangkang,pergi lah ke tempat yang boleh menerima pembangkangan anda tu..Jangan jadi Banggang dengan menbangkang kat Blog ni…Faham Tak..!!
Saya amat mengasihani anda kerana anda ni masih JAHIL dan masih memerlukan bantuan daripada pihak MIC/UMNO/BN untuk menghantar anda ke Hospital Tanjung Rambutan..!! Sedar lah wahai Si Gandhi yang tidak berguna sebelum anda disedarkan..!!!
Cheers,
HINDRAF will get the VICTORY that we always wanted…!!!!
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MP: the poll is over already. it is only during the news time at 8pm.
“to all indian’s please do it.”
using ur handphone please type BU3 B
and send to 32728 tru sms b’coz there is a suggestion 2 place hindraf members under ISA.Please do it asap.A-AGREE B- NOT AGREE.& PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL UR FRENS AND INDIAN THAT’S U KNOW BY SMS OR USING E-MAIL.
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I urged all malaysian to vote for parti pembangkang for better future.
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Can’t anyone see the ploy to discredit and smear the HINDRAF by sending some thugs to create havoc in a restaurant in Brickfields! No one in his right mind would do that and then say that there were linked with the HINDRAF.
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Well done Mr.Zainnuddin Yusri…your comment is really superb.I hope all Malaysian will realise the truth.Our PM alraedy in the high..now anybody talk about politics will not going jail but ISA.They want to hide the reality by threatening using weapon(ISA).
Think before going for voting.
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zainudin yusri,
What will the stupid oppositions do? Worse?.. You bet!
They’re just some selfish beings.
There are many Indians in the gomen. I believe majority of Indians in Malaysia are proud to be Malaysians.
Think, talk & write objectively for our country’s prosperity. See the bigger picture, nationwide! & not simply follow those HP6 oppositions’ narrow & SELFISH own agenda mentality.
In actual fact & in reality, they really do not have any valid issues to bring-up at all! - thus, simply bringing up some stupid “sentiments”, either on race or religion, just to stir up our country to prepare THEMSELVES for the coming election!
They’re cheering & clapping their hands for many “sensitive” FOOLS can’t grasp the bigger picture of running a multi-racial, multi-religious country!! It is definitely not easy to run a country like Malaysia!
Thank god we have smart, moderate & very objective leaders of all races & religions, to steer our country to where it is now 50 years later - and, PEACEFULLY at it!
Btw, you oppositions always bring up the same corrupted people which is what? A dozen or two out of MILLIONS of BN members - don’t you even know that NO party is perfect?? NO country is perfect, & NO individual is perfect!
Think smart! Boleh? Terima kasih.
Peace, “Gandhi”.
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1. Please register to be a voter and encourage everyone eligible to do so.
2. Vote intelligently and don’t be taken in by sweet words, threats and empty promises.
3. Vote for people who will represent you.
4. Work hard, strive for excellence.
5. Emulate our ancestors who came here with only the clothes on their backs.
6. Be strong in your faith in God and be God pleasers and not man-pleasers. Do not put hope in man. They are bound to disappoint you because they are only sinful mortals. Put hope in God first and then in our ourselves and our abilities.
7. Always look on the positive side. All these hindrances put in our paths by these ‘ppl’ should only make us strong and resilient not hopeless!
8. Look at the Jewish people, inspite of the numerous attempts to annihilate and exterminate them by Hitler, Stalin etc, they are still a great people.
Regards to all the Indians in Malaysia.
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Ashok,
Please do not Shok Sendiri.
Peace.
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Eagleyes,
Correct!
Cheers.
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CALLING ALL THE SUCCESSFUL INDIANS IN MALAYSIA!
Now that you have done well and doing well, lets give something back to the Indian community which badly needs it.
1. Create Education Funds for the needy Indian students.
2. Teachers retired and working, mother, grandmothers should now coach, guide and motivate our children and students and instill a spirit of excellence in them.
3. Even if the successfulIndian has taken a Chinese spouse( I am seeing so many now) that doesn’t mean that you have become a Chinese or your children are Chinese. You are still an INDIAN period! Doesn’t your blood boil when you see another Indian being downtrodden!
4. Please do something positive. Stop all the name calling and stereotyping of Indians. Sivaji the Boss is only reel not real
5. Wake up INDIAN.
VALGA INDIAN!
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MP: edited for profanity.
Samy u can **** off the seat,U planned the gang fight on the 25th Nov 2007.U even paid them to set up a fight.Ur team 08 sucks,,Please dun be the reason of our indians downfall.If u take care of the indians they wil take care of ur tittle and position.Dun be greedy for money and tittle.Its nothing.Ask ur 08 team to unite with other indian teams,See how badawis 30,36 and 77 is so united.Bleedy helllah u,
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MP: you’re welcome. we hope to learn from each other and improve. that’s why being human is all about right?
Dear blog owner, Poobalan.
Namaste. Thank you for posting everyone’s comments.
Bottomline, we all SHOULD strive to continue to understand one another, and avoid vulgarities - including rallies!!…
As, in groups, people’s behaviour are beyond anyone’s control!!
Cheers! “Gandhi”.
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Valgha Hindraf !
Dear Gandhi ,
You dont worried i wont mix up Religion with Politics.
I go to school before aslo.May be i am not higly educated as you But i understand the differences between Religion & Politics.
Thank You
Valgha Hindraf !!
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Uncle Samy,,open ur mind and try to use ur brainlah.U are an indian.There should be a pain in ur heart seeing our indians like this.Not goin ******** with Sheila Nair or Nagma.U dun evev have respect for ur self,,How u can be a leader uh?We are not asking u to go against the government but support us.Pleaselah uncle samy,,Please dun let the indians HATE U.And there is a short message for Dato M Kavyeas also.Uncle K,,wer r u and wat are you doin?
Pleaselah uncle samy,,change yourself..
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Some More Advice To My Indian Makkals
Please ‘ration’ the Tamil Movies at home. Most of them put precious lives above honour and pride. No wonder children are commiting suicide just becoz of UPSR results not up to expectations ( parents?). For every little thing, the parang is being weilded in the movies. Violence shouldn’t be our part of our lifestyles. It was the non - violence that got India her Independence remember? Pray for the nation PLEASE. There is power in prayer.
God bless this nation and all its people
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MP: the poll is over already. it was during buletin utama and not about sending indians to be detained under ISA.
URGENT!
PLEASE TYPE BU3 B and send to 32728 BY SMS COZ THERE IS A SUGGESTION TO PLACE DETAINED INDIANS UNDER ISA.
DO IT ASAP
A-AGREE B- NOT AGREE.& PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL UR FRIENDS AND INDIANS THAT’S U KNOW BY SMS OR E-MAIL.
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stop all the nonsense and get back to work bros…its really useless to waste ur time…go work earn some money..feed ur family and live happily..no need rights all..its bulllshit
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Too much watching tamil films… this is why some Malaysian Indians act like extras in tamil film. For me, if you watch tamil films, there one hero ( the perfect human )… the hero was strong because the “over acting extras” are too many to protect for the hero. This situation are same as the Hindraf Rallies.
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For some Malaysian Indians… the reality are we are not in tamil films…even many Indian in Malaysia never been at India… If they have been at India… they will find that Malaysia is the most harmony country… The peacefully Malaysian must be keep ever by our Nation. Don’t let a situation that Malays/Chinese not interested to cut hair at the babers shop coz Indian was labeled as a racist .
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gandhi,
The problem with our govt is….that our govt still let Zakaria goes free without prosecution when in the eyes of the public, Zakaria is caught doing illegal things and against the law is very suprising. I wonder if Pak Lah opens the newspaper everyday and saw Zakaria building a bangalow in a piece of illegal land and the bangalow have no permit whatsoever, and Pak Lah still remains quiet and silence….that’s very dangerous, it reflects that he encourage more corruption. We know corruption is everywhere but when it is within UMNO but you take no action then it is kind of amazing!!! So its our PM fit to run the country?? Answer is NO.
Some confirmation : So, rakyat especially the poor people including hardcore poor melayu, do you still want to vote the the corrupted govt??? I guess not, anyway we got so many corrupted govt servants in our country e.g. Samy Vellu and our Klang Assemblymen who build tons of bangalows on illegal land(you know who lar, our good friend Zakaria), why don’t the govt just bulldoze his bangalows just like our govt bulldoze the temples??? So wake up bumiputra, throw away your UMNO putra false status because the real con artist originates from UMNO cronies. One question, is Zakaria an UMNO member?? definately……
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To death we stand by YOU, CAPTAIN UTHAYA
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Rise the next Prabakaran. Lead our people to victory.If Sri Lanka had Praba, we here have Uthaya. God bless you with wise decisions and ideas and clarity of mind to lead us.
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Zainudin, you are in out of real isues… your isues should be in Gempur Politik Maya…
Out of contents !
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To the very Few of our brethren. Those who are quite happy cutting hair (barbers).And those very few linked to important people. You hate us for jeopardising your position. Really sorry my brothers.My daughter is 4 years old. She is quite bright. (dont all fathers feel the same!) 14 years time, she will need to go to Uni. Kindly help me to learn how to explain to a child who did better than others,that she misses out cos she indian. Anyone (got many) with sismilar experience, please share how you explained to your kids. Will help me be more prepared.
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samy…. get lost man.. enough is enough.. ur a fraud.. ur a cheat.. LETS HAVE AN OPEN VOTE TO ELECT OUR PRESIDENT… LET THE PUBLIC VOTE AND NOT YOUR CRONIES….
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If the govt cares for its people it should have let them voice their complain and take steps to remedy their grudges. Not fire tear gas at them, beat them up and treat them like animals. (Memorandum to the queen was a last desperate resort).
I’ve completely lost faith in this govt. It’s full of lies, greedy, selfish and has no respect whatsoever for human beings.
If I feel like I’m being shortchanged, mistreated and my voice subdued by an overbearing father (the govt),… I take steps to finally overcome my fear of him and decide to voice my protest, by telling my mother (because father has over the years been deaf and dumb to my plight). Imagine my shock and frustration when the father resorts to beating me up and telling the world that I’m a troublemaker.
This is especially hard when I know that I have contributed my sweat, tax and loyalty!! Where’s my share? I have children to take care. I want to prosper too!
I wonder how long UMNO is going to dupe the poor Malay folks and the rest of the world. The major portion of the country’s riches are kept by a greedy/selfish few, while the rest of the people are kept ignorant and gullible… at UMNO’s mercy.
As for rights, pablo, eagleyes, wait till your back(side) gets ripped off,… then you’ll respond.
I think we, each of us, should a captain Uthaya, and show our strength at the next polls. And not be duped again and again…. this govt is extremely corrupt.
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Firstly, raced-based politics should be demolished and every citizen here given equal rights… and scrap the stupid privilege thing for one particular race.
And then, use the tax-payer money wisely to uplift the poorer part of the nation, and not do stupid things like touring outside the world.
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gua sokong hindraf!pasal gua bodoh,tadak otak,kerja malas,tapi gua pun mau senang juga.jadi gua pun samun sana,samun sini,pukul sana,pukul sini,curi sana,curi sini,tipu sana,tipu sini.itu pasal gua boleh pakai kereta(no plat palsu daa!).gua punya keturunan memang suka kerja ini macam punya!jadi gua pun ikut sajalah.anyhow susah sikit mahu buat kerja macam ini, selalu kena kacau sama polis.itu pasal gua sokong hindraf.pasal ini hindraf sudah janji mahu tolong sama sayalah…hello hindraf!bila boleh dapat itu 1 million?
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Since the poor are not being helped, Malaysians should stop paying income tax for 2008. All these money is going into the pockets of corrupt politicians
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do u think that all participants in hindraf should thank to history of bringing out indians from india?if u think again, its better to live in malaysia than to live in India..i don think that indians will have chance to do this assembly in that country.otherwise, we will be killed by the police..or maybe our life will never be as good as wat we have now..think again frens..
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salam bahagia kepada semua.Saya sebagai seorang warganegara menyokong tindakan yang di buat oleh Hindraf pada 25/11/2007.Kalau boleh bagila peluang kepada rakyat memilih kerajaan yang boleh membelah nasib kaum india di negara ini dan menghormati agama hindu di negara ini.Dosa yang dilakukan oleh BN ialah merobohkan kuil-kuil hindu di seluruh negara dan act……..semua kaum diberi hak bumiputera.Orang india juga korban untuk kemerdekaan negara.Bukan hanya orang melayu je korban untuk kemerdekaan negara.mengapah orang hanya orang melayu je diberi hak bumiputera????????????????????? why ape sebab??kalau kerajaan BN boleh beri sebab orang india akan diam kalau tak mereka akan melakukan perkara sebegini sampai mentuntut hak.
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MP: edited.
Right? Hak asasi? ***** luuuu orang…. Hallooo ****…. lu ingat orang melayu nak diam jer ker?
Lu tulis lain hantar lain? Alllooooo kalu tak puas hati.. bungkus pakaian balik India… Kami pun muak tgk korang dah pun.
Korang cerita macam la datuk nenek korang dulu bagus sangat sebelum datang ke Malaysia ni… Wal hal datuk nenek korang tu datang Malaysia pun sebab merempat kat sana. Tak puas hati pegi balik India kalu rasa India ke Tamil Naidu ke bagus sangat.. Ala.. Ketua Menteri Tamil naidu tu pun kaki makan rasuha lagi dashyat.
Kalu korang tak puas hati, orang melayu pun tak puas hati bila korang ada kat sini peluang kita orang pun terhad. Abis macam mana? balik la apa lagiiiii….
Korang cakap pasal Hindu Right, Hak Asasi… apa ni apa Right yang korang nak? Ni aku paste kan surat dari Ketua *** korang tulis.
MP: i removed the letter since it is too long. readers can refer to it over here.
Samada korang dah kena tipu dek pemimpin ***** korang atau korang memang ****** kaki penipu…
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I proud to be an Indian….
INDIAN BORN TO FIGHT FOR JUSTICE N PEACEFULL…..
I HOPE ALL INDIAN COMUNITY IN THIS WORLD WILL SUPPORT TO HINDRAF IN MALAYSIA.
I N ALL INDIAN COMUNITY HOPE SAMY VELU WILL GIVE SUPPORT TOO…….. IF U NEVER FIGHT FOR INDIAN COMUNITY BETTER U DIE…
LIFE LONG INDIAN ‘S…….
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i will give full support to HINDRAF …..
if i die also no problem….i will fight for justice…
always indian’s ……
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valge tamil valge hindraf.poraduvom poraduvan.
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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,
I am a Malaysian citizen, and I am a subscriber of ASTRO Satellite TV Broadcast here in Malaysia. Recently I have subscribed to the ASTRO News Package which contains Al Jazeera and other foreign news media.
I was highly looking forward for the international news broadcast on all of the stations provided by the package when I had shocking news from our local news station claiming that the foreign news broadcasters are lying and making stories without properly acquiring the real facts and they are very good actors !!! Furthermore these claims were also made by our government’s politicians.
Now, this is rather disturbing and disappointing for me as I have only subscribed for the service for just a few days and I’m being bombarded with such claims. This eventually made me to think:
Am I an IDIOT to subscribe, pay and end up watching acts and lies
OR
Is there is any conspiracy going on here????
I clearly understand the fact that Al Jazeera has a strong principal called the Code of Ethics and you strictly follow it. But the claims by the politicians and local media here make me to think otherwise.
The claims below were broadcasted on 27-November-2007 in TV3 news station. Similar claims were also made in other local newscasters. This is just a few of the claims.
1. TV3 news station claimed that the foreign media cannot be trusted as they do not report the actual news.
2. YAB Datuk Sri Samy Velu claims that there were only 4,600 demonstrators on 25-November-2007 and NOT 50,000 or any other number as claimed by the foreign media.
3. TV3 news station said that the questions thrown at the Information Minister of Malaysia by Al Jazeera (Al Jazeera’s name was mentioned) was to purposely create a scene to show that Malaysia is in kiosk situation and Al Jazeera purposely built up the story from the real one. They also mentioned the criticism made by the Information Minister to Al Jazeera.
(Prior to sending the mail, I did some research on the net and actually found the video clip of the above Interview in Youtube. And I actually laughed myself out listening to the reply given by our Minister. Pity him for his language. But in the Malaysian news channel TV3, they only provided the “CLEAN” version of the transcript and the actual call was not aired. This makes me even more confused!!! Who is telling the truth here???)
Now, if Al Jazeera is telling lies,
It is high time for Al Jazeera to review back their Code of Ethics and provide the truth for the people. If you can’t do it then don’t cheat the entire world. And don’t broadcast your news at all. I am not a fool to keep paying for acts and lies.
And if Al Jazeera is NOT lying,
Well, what the heck. The damage has already been done. No one in Malaysia is going to listen to your news anyway due to the “VERY GOOD” publicity done by the Malaysian politicians and the local media. By the way, did I mention that our local media could also be received by our neighboring countries like Singapore and Thailand?
FINAL CONCLUSION
It is not my intension to insult Al Jazeera, other foreign media, our local media or the politicians. If you feel offended by this email, I sincerely apologize to you. Whatever the scenario is, all that I want (and the rest of Malaysian citizens who are in my situation want) is the truth. Since Al Jazeera’s and other foreign media’s names have been badly damaged here in Malaysia, Al Jazeera and the other foreign media’s SHOULD do something to fix it back or you may start loosing your viewer in Malaysia.(and its surrounding countries too)
I hope you could keep my details confidential and properly investigate on this issue (just incase if you don’t trust me) and find out the real truth behind such a drastic claims by our local media. That is if you still follow your Code of Ethics.
Yours truly,
A concerned viewer.
PS:
1. i am also forwarding this mail to other foreign media for their response.
2. i will be posting this transcript in the internet via blogs so that the viewers around the world will be aware that this matter has been brought to your attension and for them to express their views.
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This facist state will burn in hell unless equality prefails. Af if become a developed country without politics based on justice and fairness, but race-segregated politics where all are just interested in lining their own pockets with the spoils of the people
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Subject: Demolish Statues, Destroy Crosses in Missionary Schools says UMNO MP Parit Sulong
Dear all
Please take time to read below and forward on…
Pahlawan Volunteers recommend that UMNO sacks these two MPs with
immediate effect to restore public confidence in the Government the rakyat voted in.
Below is the translation of the hansard at the Third Meeting of The
Fourth Session of Eleventh Parliament (Dewan Rakyat) on Monday, 29 October 2007 as seen at
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-29102007.pdf> - pages 143-144.
Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Yang Di-Pertua, I
would like to touch on a matter regarding the Ministry of Education,
which are Christian missionary schools like Convent, La Salle,
Methodist, and so forth. I was made to understand that the Board of
Directors at these schools are partially administered by churches in
foreign countries, for example in the Vatican City. I was also made to
understand that the application to build a ’surau’ in some of these
schools had to go through the approval of these Board of Directors
whereby they are partially administered by the church. Therefore, it
shames me that the school administrations are still controlled by the
church. I was also made to understand that many Muslim parents send
their kids to these schools, and that they have complained that
sometimes, the school is started with church songs. I do not know if
this is true, but what I discovered from these parents are the display
of religious symbols. I feel disappointed that in an Islamic country,
Malaysia, if I go to a convent school, the statue of St. Mary is
displayed in the front of the school.
Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz [Sri Gading]: [Stands up]
Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Please proceed, Yang Berhormat for Sri Gading.
Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Dr. Yusof bin Yacob]: Yes, Yang Berhormat for Sri Gading.
Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz [Sri Gading]: I am not shocked at
all, Yang Berhormat for Parit Sulong. It’s not just a simple question.
The question is, why has this happened? One. During the last Hari
Raya, I was told by a father, when Aidilfitri was celebrated, these
types of schools were not closed. Thank you.
Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Not only statues,
but fellow Yang Berhormat, go and see for yourselves, Christian
crosses are displayed in front of schools. I do not understand the
Ministry of Education, did the officers not see that, or is it our
policy to allow such a thing? Nevertheless, I, as a responsible person
to my religion, race, and country, I state my views that these statues
need to be demolished, these crosses need to be destroyed and church
influences in these schools need to be stopped. Also, the funds that
are collected at these schools. Do we have a report? If possible, the
ministry should reveal the funds for these schools. I was made to
understand that these schools are also sponsored by the church.
Translation taken from:
http://www.darnmalaysia.com/2007/11/23/morons-of-parliament-demolish-christi>
n-statues-destroy-the-crosses/
Also read the public comments there old boys and girls from mission
schools nationwide at the above link.
The duo’s irresponsible and unsubstantiated comments clearly
demonstrate their glaring narrow-mindedness and TOTAL IGNORANCE of the
following; thus distracting and sabotaging the way forward and urgent
progressive steps being taken by the Government to arrest the decline
in competitiveness and to rebuild the nation:
1. The Constitution of Malaysia (Read Part II, Articles 11 and 12
at )
2. Absolute no idea how mission schools are run and conducted in
the best interest of the nation-building.
3. Among the distinguished old boys from mission school Sekolah
Menengah Kebangsaan St John Kuala Lumpur, or St John’s Institution are
Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak, Education Minister Datuk
Hishammuddin Hussein, the Raja Muda of Perak, Raja Dr Nazrin Shah,
Sultan of Selangor Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah, just to name a few.
4. Mission schools are not fully Government funded, but categorized
as a ’sekolah bantuan modal’ or Government aided school. This means
that for many needs including school building projects and
maintenance, the school would have to find its own funds.
5. The Government’s stand on mission schools as announced in the
various media as seen at Assunta Alumni’s news archive on mission
schools at
PETITION: Respect the Ethos and Character of Mission Schools
Please note that the above Assunta online petition is still ON
(initiated early April 2005). Subsequently, we wrote to the Minister
of Education and relevant education departments on 15 June 2005. We
hope to see this redressed before school resumes in January 2008 and
as we are going to celebrate Assunta Golden Jubilee next year:
Please sign the petition online if you have not done so. All past
students of mission schools and the public are also encouraged to sign
the above Online Petition. Just state the school you are from. A
gentle reminder: Please do not flame at the online petition as we’ll
be submitting to the relevant authorities again if need be. Flames
will be deleted, positive and constructive comments are most welcomed.
Please forward this on. Simply because…
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Pastor Martin Niemöller (victim of the Nazis
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I reckon we can do our part as loyal Malaysians to work hard with dedication regardless of the government. However, the latest rallies have brought to light irregularities that have been happening since Independence. If we’re rationale, Hindraf’s claim and effort should be deemed valid.
A great day would come by when “Bangsa Malaysia” becomes a reality, hopefully. However, with the not-so-old political leaders we have now, future generation seems to be in deeper danger than it is now…will things get worse?
A change for good that’s ignited by these rallies could be needed for peace and stability of future Malaysia. We’ve been talking about Rukunegara so badly but how much of the first verse has been practised in reality?? Why not just have a Religious Affair Minister to iron out all temples/mosques/churches that are in danger of being demolished and report to respective religious council to be responsible for the closure.
Zakaria’s bungalow is a sheer proof that corruption exists very badly and openly here!!!
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Dear Sir,
It’s about time all the Indians in Malaysia go to the Pilihan Raya and register themselves for the Elections.
Please inform them that we Indians can show the people who talk bad about HINDRAF that we can control them and let all the Malaysian Indian who agree with HINDRAF to VOTE for the OPPOSITIONS and show the BN that they were wrong to meddle with the MAKKAL POWER…..Long Live the Malaysian Indians….
The next rally (With Permit) we must do at the MIC headquarters to show Samy Vellu that he lost the Indians support and he should STEP DOWN or HANG HIMSELF for what he haven’t done for the Malaysian Indians. Samy Vellu and All the High Post MIC members should be SACKED from representing the Malaysian Indians.
Hat’s off to HINDRAF….a job well done to bring the Malaysian Indians to their senses, it’s time we show our MAKKAL POWER to change the MIC organization totally.
Hope my massage has reached other brothers and sisters of Malaysia Indians.
Regards,
Sureshkumar
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To All Hindus. You should know you are immigrants which came to Malaysia during British Occupation. The former Malay Leaders gave the opportunity to all Indians to stay in this land. We wills to share with other immigrant races even Malaysia should be a Malay land. This is our homeland not yours. I think better all of you should say thanks to all Malays because our descendent willing to share with all hindus to stay in our lovely land. If you read that the Hindus homeland is India not in Malaysia. Because Malaysia refers to Malay or MELAYU. Please don’t make a stupid riot in Malaysia. We needs to live peaceful and could help together between all races in Malaysia. For you information, not only the Hindu Temples are demolished but other worship places such as mosques, churches, chinese temples are also demolished but the government offers the compensation. Please check the current stastics provided by the government, the malays or Bumiputras were categorised in the lower income if compared to the Indians. Please to make again.
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well, hope u guys can fuel the brain instead fueling the emotions and let it burn. don’t forget that it can burn you, burn your fellow beings!
first if we want to protest for our rights, it should within our country, not to the third parties. it sounds to me like lifting the face and split towards the sky, thinking that u r fighting against it. but in fact u r spliting on ur own face! when we have family problem, are we bringing it to the public? we are solving that in between the 4 walls rite? samething should go here. country is also like a mother. will you go and get new mother if you not comfortable/ not feel fair with ur own mother? will you? if you are that kind of person, then i have no words to say..
second, before cleansing the goverment i think we should cleanse our community first!
tell me if you can find the indian community where the cast not come in to the picture. there is minority who is treated badly as minority by indian community itself. don’t dare to say no. my own parents also did that, when they stay in estate those time and until now there is people still practising that..
third, before blaming others, and expecting others to change, i think we should drive the change in ourself first! don’t forget that when u point others with 1 finger, the rest of 4 fingers are pointing at urself! i came from poor family also. my parent are rubber tapers and stayed in very small town in Perak. i’m fully grown with goverment support, completed my education in distinction, get a good job, bought a car and house, making my husband as businessman and leading good and peacefull life. not only me, all 5 sibling of mine as well! if i can do that, y can’t you? it is just simply means that u prople are not grabbing the chances! it is not to blame the goverment but urself! how many of us is doing good in education? how many of us is neglected even we have good education with flying colours? there is so many things we have to correct in our community before blaming others.
i’m not really against the protest, and i’m not supporting the goverment neither. i’m just a peace lover and hope u guys can do the things in better way that it is not sparkling the racial issues. understand that this is a multi racial country, the give and take concept should be always there. how the chinese control the economy and put thier feet strongly in this country? they also had been brought as the the labours to this country rite? if they can, why can’t we? did anybody ever think about that? we should do something similiar which can lead the goverment to value us and afraid of losing us. we should work together to put ourself up to that height. not to look up to the sky and expecting the gold will be falling! if u guys really want to fight, just migrate to sri lanka, that will do. until u guys experience that kind of living situation, u guys will never appreciate the harmony and the peace that become a back bone of this country!
instead of wasting time, energy and money in doing all this, just go and address out the needy people in our community and help them! that can change the fate of our community here. if Uthaya Kumar can do that, then i can salute him as a hero. now he is still zero, because bringing down the image of country, image of overall malaysian indian here. other country poeple now will see malaysian indian as a slave of this country. when somebody says “A”, that can end up with ‘Z’, when news are spreading. u guys may be proud of saying we has been treated as as a slave in this country! but i’m ashamed off! my self-respect is not allowing that and i think whoever have the self-respect will be standing against it!
if you telling this protest is because goverment is demolishing the temples, i just want to ask you, when you guys will stop fighting in the sake of god’s name? no harm questioning but there is still some other better way to react..
i don’t know what is the real intension behind “Uthaya Kumar” and his fellow beings..
it can be political or personal drive.. but whatever, before shaking head like cows and follow them, stop one moment and think! it takes 50 years of all of our efforts to build this nation, but to collapsed it just takes few seconds! i beg u guys, please let this country stay in peace for our next generation.. u guys are not protesting but threatening the harmony of this country!
- Malaysian (i now ashamed to called myself as Malaysian Indian!)
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Can someone explain to me the difference between Bumiputra, Umnoputra, Orang Melayu and orang islam??? Which one got the highest standing in society?? and which category earns more income and pay more taxes? We are a bit confuse here. Is a malay that have convert to Christian still call a malay or orang melayu and if a melayu converts to a buddhist will he still be entitle to bumiputra status? What about if I am a UMNO member and I marry a chinese wife and then decides to change my religion to buddhist, can I still maintain my membership in UMNO?? Or my chinese friend decides to marry a malay wife - will he be able to change his name to a malay name and convert to bumiputra status?? Or he must join UMNO to enjoy bumiputra status? If my chinese friend convert to islam, can he still visit the temple?? What about if my chinese friend change name to malay in the IC, can he join UMNO then? Please furnish rakyat with more information. We are coming to a solution to solve this racist problem. Maybe all chinese and indians just change their name to malay name and join UMNO, I am sure there will be no more discrimination. All problem solved!!!
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0000% no support HINDRAF go to helll!!!!!!!!!!!or got to jell!!see u in jell
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En iniya tamil makkale,
HINDRAF’s first attack (Very Piecefully) has informed the people worldwide about our being and our struggles here. Lets give our full support to HINDRAF. Doing this we can shut the political idiots (So call Indian God fathers) mouth and their selfish street fight and media fight.
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Dear Ashok
Please refrain from personal attacks and threats. I am not a person whom can be intimidated at all.
It is your choice to support HINDRAF, but believe me in an open debate I will make the moronic leaders of HINDRAF so foolish that they will lose all their credibility as their arguments are based on lies.
BTW I am sorry to hear about your rejection for a place at a public University. FYI I am a grad from a public Uni myself despite coming from an estate and Tamil school. My grandparents came to Malaysia as laborers and they know the value of education. My father studied hard and supported himself by working part time when his father passed away. And god rewarded him by getting him a govt job.
I am not the only one who had worked hard to be successful, many of my Uni mates were from estates. And none of us had special connections to get a uni place.
In fact I work for a multinational in a top management position now and travel the world most of the time. At this very moment I am several thousand kms from home at this moment.Had not my grandfather left for Malaysia, I would be probably working in a farm in India instead.
If I can make it without any political connections, then I am sure you could too. But if you had failed, then it is not the failure of MIC or the govt but YOU and only YOU.
You guys don’t know what you guys are missing and how lucky you are. My jobs takes me around the world, from the richest to the poorest. And folks, everytime I come back home, despite all the problems we have here, I never fail to thank god for his kindness in making me to be born a Malaysia.
A lot of Indians don’t realise the hard work Samy has done for the community. And it is shame on you guys to curse him this way. Had he failed to do his job, you folks probably still living in some estates.
Guys and gals, the surest way of being a failure is keep blaming others.Only when you accept that your fate is in your own hand and only hard work will help to progress, then you will succeed.
The heroes of the Indians are not HINDRAF clowns but those ordinary Indians who worked their way up from a poor background. There are thousands of Indians like me in Malaysia. If you are not successful, please ask yourself why. Stop blaming others, show your heroism and anger in making your life better and not by taking part in such useless activities.
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It would be good if HINDRAF gets one million signatures each for the following two memorandums to be submitted to the relevant parries.
1) Raquesting one hour air time for opposition/NGOs views once a week in RTM, TV3 NTV7. If denied to go to court for an order compelling the demand be met.
2) That all ministers and deputy ministers declare their incomes and assets on a yearly basis to the public and their respective constituencies. The declaration must be done under oath. False declarations should warrant criminal charges.
The above 2 steps if implemented will go a long way to bring about justice to not only Indians but to all Malaysians.
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Dear MP
Let’s talk about the Batu Caves incident and using the pictures that you asked me to see.
Now let me put in simple point form what the local media had reported and also IGP had stated. Please tell me which of these points are lies.
1. HINDRAF supporters went to Batu Caves temples and broke open the gates
2. They refused to leave upon asked by the temple committee
3. Temple committee called the police
4. The police asked the supporters to leave but they refused.
5. The HINDRAF supporters attacked the police with stones and bricks
6. Police used watercannon to subdue the crowd
7. The crowd damaged temple properties and also set fire to a tourist bus
8. Police did not use force and did not use water cannon or tear gas within the temple ground.
Now let’s look at the pics. These people are not people who came to pray. They had pictures of Gandhi and obviously they had come with other intentions.
Why they were doing at Batu Caves at that time ?
Look at the photos of the FRU using the watercannon. Look at the road. You can see bricks and stones on the road near the police ? That shows that the FRU were attacked by the devotees before the watercannon attack. So do you think these people are inncocent ?
I read Makkal Ossai the other day and it published a big news on how the police beat up the people. But it did not provide any evidence but just a witness account by someone claiming to be a news vendor who “happended” to be there (this is a joke right?). But the statement by the temple commitee was so small and put at some corner that I almost missed it.
So, simple question. If someone who were there can take some many pics, you think they would not have taken pics of police beating ?
There were hundreds of photographers and many more with camera handphones on that day, not to mention the TV news stations. How come not even one had a picture of police brutality ? Your friends can claim that but what can else you expect from HINDRAF supporters ? By taking part in the rally they are obviously biased and can’t be used as independent eyewitness. Even the Bar Council chairperson did not talk about police brutality but water cannon and gas.
You see, for all their claim of transparency and fairness, I did not a single account from the any alternative media to be truthful. On the other hand, while the mainstream media downplayed the incident, they did not lie or cover up.
For all the crap about non-violence, I read that the crowd tries to provoke the police by using vulgar words. You think Gandhi would be proud of this ?
And BTW, how come the leaders did not turn up for the rally and only came late ? Scared ?
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Dear Helma Noor
Just read your nonsensical comments about me..I am not going to respond as I have a policy of avoiding debating with morons.
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MP: edited for threats.
Hi my friends…..Thank you for support Hindraf
I really feel bad….. im not able to go to Peaceful Assembly 25 Nov because im studying at Canada. I couldn’t sleep…man. Please somebody **** the MIC President, he is Indian “Eight Appan†.he is our first enemy….Wat this f***….did on Indians. I show my ******** finger to those think indian at malaysia third class,
Read This (what is our Right) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_153_of_the_Constitution_of_Malaysia
My life for Indian
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Dear Killer,
I am happy for your success, but please be fair to others especially the poor Malaysians whom the govt failed to help. The problem now face by most Malaysians are not just the poor people but the misuse of public funds by our govt. I can see so many discrimination like the force purchase of Southern Bank by CIMB even when the original shareholders of Southern Bank refuse to sell. We have a corrupted Govt who are using the rakyat’s taxpayers money to achieve their own personal interest. Take example, send a space tourist call angkasawan to space in a russian spaceship for RM15 million for just a 10 days holiday in space. Where does the RM15 million come from? Isn’t from our taxes that we pay. Why can’t our govt use it to help the poor indians with RM15 million??? Killer, I know you support our govt, me too…but the misuse of public funds is going beyond tolerance level of the majority rakyat. That’s why there are protest in thousands this month itself. I have a situation here, let’s say Badawi have only RM3 in his pocket, and he walk pass 3 beggers . The first begger is a malay, and 2nd begger is chinese and 3rd begger is an indian. Will he donate to each begger RM1 or he donates RM3 to the malay begger and forget about the other 2 beggers or he pass the RM3 to Samy Vellu and ask him to do what he like with the RM3 because it is the taxpayer’s money anyway, not really his own money. So can Killer answer which action will our PM take when he’s holding RM300 million of taxpayers money??? What we want is accountability not just talk by the govt that they can do this do that. Anyway, we shouldn’t be comparing with other countries when there’s misuse of public funds in our very own country. If our country got criminals whould you like to say “look here, our country have less criminals then Iraq, you rakyat should be happy when there’s less criminals in Malaysia.” It’s that what you are trying to say Killer?? Criminals means criminals, there’s no such thing as more or less. So goes for corruption, the govt cannot say “Look here, there’s less corruption in Malaysia compare to Japan and Ammerica, so we are still doing well to contain corruption…” So Killer is trying to ask our rakyat to compare our Malaysian govt by comparing our govt with USA we should be saying ” look here, our country is not as rich as USA because we are stupid and not productive time for our govt to change….” If Killer can compare our country with poorer countries then Killer should also compare us with the richer countries. What about Thailand? 15 years ago Thailand is more backwards then us economically but now they are ahead of us rite? And out of the top 100 billionaires in the world there are 13 billionaires are from India rite base on Forbes statistics?? So is there a Malay Bumiputra within the top 100 billionaire in the world?? Nope. So our Malaysian govt is not as good as the India Govt rite?? So please-please killer, not only you can compare, others can too.
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whatever the hindraff did was 100% correct and people who dont surport hindraff plss stay quiet and dont create any rubbish through your mouth.keep your mouth close.u cant help so plss dont stop the indians who wants to save our world.Anti Hindraff plss stay away because the moment u against hindraff , U are not our indian anymore u can go and join other race.
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Killer,
Then don’t join this blog please, get out of it otherwise you will also be called a moron. Go and debate elsewhere like the yearly UMNO AGM, there are full of morons there….
May Allah bless us with more morons from UMNO.
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Don’t just simply use India… ( India or Tamil ???? ). In India Kasta system is still practicing… you see… what the differences of Nothern and South India… But contrary with us in Malaysia… we Malaysian treated same… we are not practising kasta, even In Malaysia…. Tamil, Punjabi, Brahma are never fight against each others. To live In Malaysia…. we are unic…we can play in football together, play hockey together, play badminton together….( how many sport more would I say ? )
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MR.PM,
JUST SO SAD TO SEE A FATHER NOT GIVING FAIR TREATMENT TO HIS CHILDREN,SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN,THANKS…..
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Samy Velu is a corrupt politician who is a disgrace to the Malaysian Indian Community and everyone knows it.
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Dear All,
1. Kena ingat maut boleh datang bila bila masa
2. Dunia ini sementara
3. Kena bersyukur dgn apa yang ada
4. Bila tamak org lain yang susah
5. TUHAN maha berkuasa
Pening kepala baca blog ni. Masing masing ada tuntutan. Bagaimana dgn tutuntan generasi masih hadapan.
Orang Melayu dah mula meluat melihat pemuda INDIA yang demo…. kesian…. tak ada maksud hidup yang menafaat.
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The key thing here is the support given by the people not necessarily to Hindraf itself but for their concepts/claims, in short “a support for Hindraf”. It will be completely hard to deny Hindraf is wrong, provided u r a fair/rationale thinker.
What’s so wrong with equal treatment to all races/religions???
There’s no point getting university seats thru “merit” system via matriculation and possibly to get past university degree with “guidance”..bcoz real challenge lies in the working world. Just take one factory for example and check the races ratio in development dept against the ratio for university entry, u would find a completely reverse result…sad to see local university ranking declined so badly..let’s fix the entry system atleast..
On the other hand, let’s talk with spirituality when we refer to India or any other countries…there are pros and cons everywhere…would not mean u can talk bad abt Malaysia if u happen to get PR status in other countries for example…dun be ettappan in your own heart…..India is a great country as Malaysia is..it’s the crappy ppl that you’ll see as the source of all the problems..
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Hotline after 50 years of independence and 20+ years on MIC hot-seat…I reckon ppl have made it clear abt races/religious inequality that surely exists in Malaysia..true leaders should have sensed it right away..not even requiring hotline setup..etc.
- Analyse all the temples’ legality status. Help temples that are in danger to be demolished. Legalize/relocate them as I’m sure Hindus would not want our dieties to be in uncertainity situation as well..we hv to be responsible ourselves in the first place to ensure this.
- Single entry-level exam for university entrance. This is going to help all the races..bcoz it will start the competition right away when u r young to do better..u dun want to have an easy passage earlier somehow and suffer later in working life…
Indians are not getting enough places to study in local university..make it a true merit system like Singapore.
- Ensure “Bangsa Malaysia” thing is implemented to the least in govt sector where all races are given equal chances..else dont talk about instilling national integrity..bcoz logically it simply won’t happen as the “way” has been blocked by the govt themselves.
- New young leader who has the passion to do the best for Indians is key..this is somehow difficult to achieve, but make every effort/numbers transparent so that nobody could question. (ie Maika shares blunder). Show the progress of hard core poor ppl in estates and what’s the plan in case MIC has planned something for them..make it transparent.
Overall, it’s quite clear that ppl are starting to feel MIC failed to live up to expectations. Hotline setup at this juncture is either a political gimmick or in scared-response of the Hindraf support that Mr. Utaya is getting….
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Killer: We can tell that you are PRO government and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, you seem to get too worked up / emotional about the whole thing. What we do here is to post our sat/dissat. Bravo to your efforts in getting a place in a Public uni. but bear in mind that while u got in, there are hundreds out there who didn’t.
I personally never applied for a public Uni cos I felt it was a waste of time. If i’m lucky, i’ll get a seat but more often than not, it’ll be for a course that is my 2nd or 3rd choice. As such, I enrolled to study privately.
But I do have friends who were in public uni’s and many more who didnt make it. Its a pity. Instead of looking at how the system has benefitted you, why not you place yourself in their shoes.
Forget proving how wrong we are abt HINDRAF/MIC/UMNO, etc. Let’s just take a look around, meet more unfortunate people and understand their plight.
Peace.
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Hello Saudara En Haji Othman,
Memang benar apa yang dikatakan oleh saudara . Saudara sememangnya telah melihat paparan berita di media masa tempatan tetapi sedarkah saudara bahawa media tempatan merupakan jentera kerajaan pemerintah dan ia boleh dimanupalasikan mengikut kehendak mereka yang berkemapuan.
Memang:
* maut boleh datang bila bila masa - setiju
* Dunia ini sementara - setuju
* Kena bersyukur dgn apa yang ada - setuju
* TUHAN maha berkuasa - setuju
Malangnya apa yang saudara perkatakan itu kurang tepat kerana saudara tidak melihat punca yang menyebabkan pemuda India mengadakan perhimpunan aman.
Bila tamak org lain yang susah- kurang setuju
Persoalannya di sini bukannya tamak tetapi masalah yang telah berpunca disebabkan pihak berkuasa yang tidak mengendahkan keluhan masyarakat India setempat ketika merobohkan berpuluh-puluh Kuil atau tempat ibadat kaum Hindu di Negeri Selangaor dengan mengunakan kekerasan . Pihak berkuasa melengkapkan diri dengan senjata mesin-gan, semata-mata untuk memastikan misi mereka berjaya. Semua kuil ini diberi penempatan semula di sebelah logi najis . Adakah ini wajar bagi Hj. Othman jika dilihat dari perspektif mana-mana agama di dunia ini? Namun demikian ketika kuil dirobohkan pihak berkuasa dan media tidak menyiarkan aktiviti ini. Kenapa? Kenapa pula mereka yang membela nasib kuil ini ditangkap pihak berkuasa?
Hj Othman, banyak yang tidak didedahkan media. Media menyembunyikan perkara sebenar tetapi mengambarkan mereka yang tampil membela nasib kaum Hindu sebagai tamak. Kita bukannnya mahukan permusuhan kerana negara sudah pun mengalami nasib sedemikian pada masa silam. Perhimpunan kami aman tetapi telah dikecohkan pihak berkuasa dan diputarbelitkan oleh media. Jika kuil kami dirobohkan sekarang tanpa pengadilan yang sewajarnya, lama-kelamaan akan menular kepada isu-isu yang akan menghakis hak-hak kami sebagai warganegara Malaysia. Kami bukan tamak hendakkan duit sebab kami berkemampuan bekerja keras untuk mencarinya sebagaimana yang telah dilakukan oleh nenek moyang kami ketika menyumbang kepada ekonomi Tanah Melayu tanpa mengira penat-lelah dan kebajikan diri sendiri. Apa yang kami mahukan pada perhimpunan aman kami adalah untuk menuntut hak kami yang semakin tidak diendahkan oleh kerajaan.
Untuk makluman saudara, kami tetap akan menyumbang kepada pembangunan dan kesejahteraan tanah tumpah darah kami (Tanah Melayu) walaupun kami masih tidak dianggap sebagai anak tempatan.
SALAM SEJAHTERA
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Saudara dj:
Sila jawab persoalan ini… adakah patut kuil dibina sewenang-wenang di tepi jalan raya, di tepi simpang jalan raya, di atas tanah milik orang lain dll. Tunjukkan bukti kerajaan guna machine-gun untuk menakut-nakutkan pembantah perobohan kuil….
Saya yakin kerajaan kita la paling lemah lembut di dunia. Sebelum perobohan dibuat… bertahun-tahun notis dikeluarkan… tapi pihak yang berkaitan mengabaikannya… malah menambah lagi struktur bangunan sewenang-wenangnya. Kalau betul sesetengah devotees ini penganut yang setia atau kuat agama… kenapa tak ada yang sudi nak serahkan tanah sendiri ( wakafkan ) seperti orang Islam buat…. Orang Islam tidak pernah sewenang-wenangnya buat surau atau masjid di atas tanah haram( milik orang lain ). Ada kes orang Islam buat surau atas tanah persendirian… tapi surau dirobohkan sebab tak dapat kelulusan majlis agama islam.
Cuba rujuk di sebuah kawasan di Pokok Sena, Kedah…. sebuah kuil ( atau tempat pemujaan sahaja ) dibina di tepi simpang tiga jalan raya….menyukarkan usaha pembangunan. Tak dirobohkan hingga hari ini ( didirikan berpuluh-puluh tahun hingga hari ini ) masih ada toleransi… walaupun kawasan Pokok Sena penganut hindu cuma minoriti.
Kami orang islam tidak pernah ada niat merobohkan tempat ibadat agama lain… itu larangan agama kami. Tapi kalau tempat ibadat dibina sewenang-wenangnya… itu sudah menafikan hak keselesaan awam dan hak persendirian. Tuhan yang berkuasa tempatnya tersendiri… bukan di tepi-tepi jalan atau di tepi-tepi longkang atau menumpang di tanah-tanah persendirian orang lain.
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For those who are still backing up for the unreasonable, unprofessional, pathetic government and the selfish, greedy, conman mic president read this. This is the statement given by the president of our legal Malaysian bar. Just watching the video I cried for several days. Hat off to all the Indians who attended the 25th. Remember this, Krishna avatar is to kill the demon, Ganesha took this form to kill mushikan… Hindraf Uthaya is the avatar to kill the demons call MIC and UMNO.
Valga tamil makkal. Valga hindraf.
The Bar Council is concerned at the manner in which the Hindraf gathering was handled. Reports have been received of the unnecessarily large number of roadblocks, the unnecessary use of force, tear gas and water cannons all against persons whose intent was peaceful. It is our belief that a softer approach would have resulted in less confrontation, less injuries and ultimately less problems.
Quite apart from the fact that the right to assemble peaceably is enshrined in the Constitution, attempts to curtail the assembly muzzle voices that must be heard. There is clearly a group of Malaysians who feel marginalised, frustrated and helpless. Their grouses are real to them and are therefore real to our society.
Indeed these concerns exist in other communities in Malaysia and it is time for a nation that has just celebrated 50 years of independence, to be mature enough to acknowledge that there are problems in its society that require urgent solutions. There is a sense that not all are given the opportunities that are abundantly available under the Malaysian sun. These problems cannot be left to fester. We would urge the Government to respond in a positive and constructive manner in addressing these complex issues. Not for one minute should we dismiss this gathering which, stripped of all else, is a cry for help.
In this context, the call for the use of the I.S.A. and the use of the archaic Sedition Act against 3 lawyers, is retrogressive, counter productive and smacks of extreme high handedness against our own people. Gone are the days when force could be used to solve our problems. We are entering a new era of openness and democracy. A vital part of that process is to hear the voice of the people and to heed their call.
Ambiga Sreenevasan
President
Malaysian Bar
27 November 2007
truth always hurts. u deny what hindraf is claming then you’re denying your own birth.you break temples god is looking. they will pay for it. manithan andru kol van devam nindre kollum is an old say. devam manithin kulla andray kollum. this is today.
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TechFun has left a new comment on the post ” Al-Jazeera”:
MG: First, have you ever seen unbiased evidence of Al Jazeera falsifying reports? I have not. Second, have your politicians ever lied to you before? In my case in the USA, I cannot say yes.
So far for me, Al Jazeera has a better track record for honesty than the US Government.
MG has left a new comment on the post ” Al-Jazeera”:
dear Techfun,
thank you for your comment. i wish to state that I am not claiming Al Jazeera is falsifying news.
All i want is the truth.
Now, let me give you a sample of what i mean.
This is what Al Jazeera has claimed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glaXc34K3bY&feature=related
and now, this is what malaysian media says(watch till the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wcG0QT1TUc&feature=related
Clearly someone is telling lies here.
If Al Jazeera is not liying, they better start defending their point. Else i would be forced to sue Al Jazeera to get the real truth out of everyone.
please note that i still have faith that Al Jazeera follows their Code of Ethics. But the whole country of malaysia has declared them as liers.
so tell me, how am i to accept, trust or use any information from Al Jazeera if my country declared them as liers ?
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Posted by MG to capitaL eLs at November 29, 2007 7:31 PM
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I WIII BE GIVE FULL SUPPORT TO HINDRAF.WHO DONT SUPPORT HINDRAF PLS KEEP CLOSE YR ******* AND DONT CREATE ANY RUBBISH THROUGH YR MOUTH.
JAIHINDH HINDRAF! JAIHINDH HINDRAF! JAIHINDH HINDRAF!
VALGA VALARGA HINDRAF.
THANK YOU .
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Valgha Hindraf !!
Yes , whoever wish not to support ‘Hindraf’ please dont contribute any comments in this Blog, please.
No need to mention their names …(siapa makan cili pasti akan terasa)
Thanks
Valgha Hindraf !!
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Dear Killer,
1. HINDRAF supporters went to Batu Caves temples and broke open the gates
-TRUE. Not sure how the broke the gates,since it was used back to lock them in.
2. They refused to leave upon asked by the temple committee
-TRUE.
3. Temple committee called the police
TRUE. Temple committee said there were lots of people OUTSIDE temple around midnight. Not sure why they said outside when the people already entered the compound (pic 2 & 3). temple committee say they (police) arrived at 1am.
4. The police asked the supporters to leave but they refused.
- NOT SURE. The gates are open and the people look like want to come out, but blocked by police (pic 4 to 9).
5. The HINDRAF supporters attacked the police with stones and bricks
- UNSURE. HINDRAF claims some people were planted to cause disruption. If you noticed, only in batu caves were bricks used. the bricks were part of the on-going construction and was scattered there for quite sometime. probably can check with those that frequently visit batu caves (daily/weekly).
6. Police used watercannon to subdue the crowd
- TRUE. At around 3am it seems (pic 14 & 15).
7. The crowd damaged temple properties and also set fire to a tourist bus
- NOT TRUE. Temple has clarified that slight damage to the gate and a fridge.
8. Police did not use force and did not use water cannon or tear gas within the temple ground.
- NOT TRUE. Police did not use force, but used tear gas and cannon (pic 13 to 15).
Now let’s look at the pics. These people are not people who came to pray. They had pictures of Gandhi and obviously they had come with other intentions.
- they came to gather before moving to klcc. many received sms to gather at batu caves.
Why they were doing at Batu Caves at that time ?
- resting.
Look at the photos of the FRU using the watercannon. Look at the road. You can see bricks and stones on the road near the police ? That shows that the FRU were attacked by the devotees before the watercannon attack. So do you think these people are inncocent ?
- the police push them force them back in, and i suppose a few threw back the stones. then the police move back (notice the gap between them and the gate), then the tear gas and water cannon started. everyone started to run deeper inside. then the police moved into the temple compound. this is my understanding.
I read Makkal Ossai the other day and it published a big news on how the police beat up the people. But it did not provide any evidence but just a witness account by someone claiming to be a news vendor who “happended†to be there (this is a joke right?). But the statement by the temple commitee was so small and put at some corner that I almost missed it.
- newspaper vendor may be there to arrange newspaper distribution (early morning 3-4am they are working). but how valid is the claim, i’n not sure.
So, simple question. If someone who were there can take some many pics, you think they would not have taken pics of police beating ?
- Yes they would have if they have seen it. notice in the picture (pic 19) the police coming out of the temple compound whereas the police mentioned they did not go in at all. so, who knows what happens inside. i’m also compiling photos and video posted all over the net. hope to sort it out next week.
There were hundreds of photographers and many more with camera handphones on that day, not to mention the TV news stations. How come not even one had a picture of police brutality ? Your friends can claim that but what can else you expect from HINDRAF supporters ? By taking part in the rally they are obviously biased and can’t be used as independent eyewitness. Even the Bar Council chairperson did not talk about police brutality but water cannon and gas.
- even though they attend the rally in support of hindraf, my friends have no reason to lie. why should they say something which is not true? they are not supporting blindly and lying. my friend was hit with baton in the tunnel area (jln ampang-jln tun razak). luckily not serious. this guy is an engineer who was watching peacefully, not some rowdy. if you see PKR’s statement today, it seems they have found some video clips. let’s see what happens.
You see, for all their claim of transparency and fairness, I did not a single account from the any alternative media to be truthful. On the other hand, while the mainstream media downplayed the incident, they did not lie or cover up.
- on the contrary, i find the mainstream media worse than alternative media. also, individuals can upload their photos and write their experiences. both the medias have their own agendas, but one has the added shackle of press and printing law.
For all the crap about non-violence, I read that the crowd tries to provoke the police by using vulgar words. You think Gandhi would be proud of this ?
- how many in the crowd used such words? while i was not privy to incident at batu caves, my very reliable friends/relative who were scattered all around klcc area said the crowd was overwhelmingly orderly. if you take into consideration few hot-blooded youths, maybe gandhi was proud after all.
And BTW, how come the leaders did not turn up for the rally and only came late ? Scared ?
- they were there around 7.30am onwards. moving around klcc park and jln ampang (up to monorail station).
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shut up ur mouth samy velu. 50 tahun tak boleh buat apa-apa untuk kaum india tapi sekarang cakap besar. mana wang MAIKA??? we support HINDRAF 100%
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ashwinkumar & Ramu,
u guys claiming that goverment is discriminating & u r fighting for your rights, but u urself not willing to hear other peoples opinions, that also form the people belongs to your same community????
do u think u only has the rights to talk? not others? u have been so rude to ur own fellow beings? is that sound domination? so called discrimintaion? which category shall i add this?
thats y i tell the change should come within our selves first, in our community first! respect should be given and taken! not just expecting and claiming form others!!!
please mind ur words!
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Quote from the SMART Tun VT Sambanthan; during the debate on the draft Constitution at the Federal Legislative Council on July 10, 1957, Sambanthan urged greater co-operation between the communities, reminding them that Malaya was a plural society. He told the council:
“We belong to a plural society, and we should always remember that in such a society we have to recognise that psychology has its own place. It is not enough if one’s own attitude towards a problem is good. It is necessary that he should see what reaction, what effect it would have on members of different communities.â€
So, Think SMARTLY & Do Not follow some LOWLY Stupid “sentiments” PURPOSELY done by some Irresponsible & SELFISH half-past6 oppositions!..
Peace, “Gandhi”.
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Mr Ganasan n Fly,
Please do not lie.
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So gandhi is saying maika holding shares were dealt greatly for the Indian community by the responsible party??
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The difference between Smart & Rational LEADERS, and Lowly Emotional FOLLOWERS are that the latter will somehow seek on violence, while the former will seek on cooperation for the Benefit of ALL.
Everybody in Malaysia agrees that we, as a nation, have progressed successfully as compared to other nations that gained independence during or before our time! I believe ALL of the other nations have small minorities (be it religious-wise or race-based), but are still lagging BEHIND Us!…
I can safely say that Malaysia is the ONLY Country in the world that HAVE TO Manage all her HUGE No. of Minorities (about 40-45%) of the total population - &, in BOTH aspects of race & religion!! - where, we had SUCCESSFULLY managed to do it PEACEFULLY & HARMONIOUSLY…. & for over half a CENTURY already!
Generally, the majority of this Peaceful & RESPECTFUL Nation has been very lenient; cooperated with EVERYbody very well, and had been UNSELFISH in sharing their lands; when they gained the support of the minorities, to seek the independence of Malaya.
I sincerely hope, all of us Malaysians, would try to understand our history & HOW we ALL came about to be PEACE-LOVING MALAYSIANS…..
Let’s ALL Move On afresh, as a single family, as what the Tunku had envisioned on Merdeka Day, 1957.
A Concerned Malaysian, “Gandhi”.
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Saudara saudari kaum india Malaysia ku sekelian,
Maaf, saya nak cakap sikit. Anda mungkin fikir bahawa HINDRAF telah menjalankan kerja yang sangat bagus membela nasib kaum India di Malaysia. Anda juga mungkin lupa yang perkara yang HINDRAF lakukan dan suarakan menyinggung perasaan kaum kaum lain.
Pasal Isu kuil anda dirobohkan, saya simpati, tetapi anda juga tak boleh lupa bahawa masjid kaum melayu juga telah dirobohkan oleh kerajaan.
Peristiwa kampung medan bukan Kaum india saja yang mati, Kaum melayu juga ada yang mati.
Pasal Jenayah dan gejala sosial. Bukan kaum india saja yang terlibat, kaum kaum lain juga terlibat sama.
Pasal kaum india minta 4 trillion dari British. Betul British bawa kaum India datang Malaya. Kaum India nak minta 4 trillion, kaum India boleh minta tak ada masaalah kaum india ada 200,000 tanda tangan sokong itu memorandum dan tuntutan, 10 orang pergi hantar cukuplah, lepas tu adakan sidang akbar bagitahu semua bangsa yang kaum India sudah minta 4 trillion sama british bolehkan???????????. Tak payahlah nak turun ramai ramai.
Kalau kaum India berjaya dapat 4 trillion BAGUSLAH, LAGI RAMAI JUTAWAN DALAM MALAYSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Rakyat Malaysia ada 27 juta orang semua bangsa, Kaum india ada 8% sudah ada 2.16 juta orang, Maksudnya sudah ada 2.16 juta jutawan segera dalam Malaysia. Wow ini sudah cerita baik!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lepas tu kaum Cina pulak boleh minta. Kaum cina ada 25% dalam Malaysia. Jadi kaum cina ada 6.75 juta orang. Kalau 8% sama dengan 4 Trillion, 25% sama dengan 13.5 Trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Orang Cina boleh dapat. Ini lagi bagus sebab 6.75 juta rakyat kaum Cina Malaysia sudah jadi jutawan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Tapi saya mahu tanya satu perkara, HINDRAF betul fikir dia boleh dapat itu wang Ka?. Kerajaan British boleh kalah itu kes dan bayar itu wang pada kaum India Malaysia Ka?.
Sami Vellu baik ka, Tak baik ka? Saya tak mahu cakap, saya tak tahu, kaum India lagi tahu. Yang saya tahu Negara Malaysia semua kaum masih boleh hidup aman damai. Kehidupan semua kaum di Malaysia masih baik. Negara Malaysia ini masih banyak kerja. Sebab Orang negara luar masih datang ke Malaysia untuk kerja, termasuk orang dari negara India dan neraga Cina.
Soalannya disini kenapa orang negara India masih datang ke Malaysia untuk kerja,Kenapa orang India di Malaysia fikir kaum India ditindas kerajaan BN di Malaysia ?. Pemimpin Melayu ada cakap kaum Melayu malas tak mahu kerja sebab itu kaum Melayu ditinggalkan (mundur )oleh kaum lain. Saya fikir cakap pemimpin Melayu ini betul, tapi hanya untuk kaum Melayu saja lah untuk kaum India saya tak tahu. Boleh kaum India tolong jawap kenapa?.
Oh Ya saya lupa, Pasal artikal 153 perlembagaan Malaysia ( Hak Orang Melayu) pasal itu kaum India Malaysia Mundur. Tetapi kalau artikal ini takada kaum India betul pasti ka kaum India takkan ketinggalan ka??????????????????????. itu pasallah kaum India mahu jadi jutawan segera.
Tapi saya tahu satu perkara, kaum melayu pun ada itu NGO Melayu untuk bela nasib orang Melayu. bukan Umno dan Pas saja. Apa HINDRAF buat, orang melayu belum cakap apa apa secara terus terang lagi.
Orang Melayu Biasalah Malu mau cakap. Tapi kalau orang Melayu mula cakap orang India boleh diam macam orang Melayu diam sekarang masa HINDRAF cakap ka ?
Orang India minta 4 trillion sebab British bawa orang india datang Malaysia dan tinggalkan orang India dalam masalah sosia dan menjadi mangsa politik Umno di Malaysia. OK Sekarang saya mahu tanya. Kalau orang british tak bawa orang India ke Malaysia, Semua orang India hidup di negara india sekarang ni, Semua Orang India di negara India tu senang lenang ka hidupnya?????????????????????. Negara India banyak senag cari wang Ka ??????????????????????????.
Saya tak tahu apa orang india cakap macam mana. Tapi orang melayu selalu cakap :
1) Kalau mahu meludah pandang bawah, Jangan Pangang atas.
2) Hujan emas di negeri orang tak sama dengan hujan batu di negeri sendiri.
3) Usaha Tangga Kejayaan
4) Itu Pak Luncai Orang India tahu Ka??? itu orang menang sorak tapi kampung dia tergadai orang lain angkat orang India tahu ka???????????????????????????????.
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guys..2 weeks before hindraf’s assembly there was bersih. there were 50 thousand people asking for a fair election. and then hindraf asking for our indian’s right. rumors is Chinese is planing a assembly too regarding the demolishing of Pigs in melaka. clearly this show that the government is not right.
Hishamudin said BN don’t need indian’s and chinese’s vote to win the coming election. they have the 60% malay vote.. But Looking at bersih rally I doubt they will get even 5% vote.
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Good things happen when people start shouting, demonstrating at the govt