Jan 06 2008



what happened at the temple committee meeting with selangor MB

Posted by poobalan at 12:00 am under Indian, Religion | | View blog reactions


20 million ringgit? Hmmm…always follow the money trail. Welcome to Malaysian Hind Council!
 
6 months…long enough to make promises and later… Well, if can be forgotten within days, I can only wonder what will happen to the proposals and memorandums.
 
Anyway, glad to hear the state govt have approved 146 temples. In how many years ah?
 
I'm also curious that churches nowadays seem to exist in shophouses. Are they the churches he mentioned? No one will realise that the churches in building exists since they are devoid of any external architectural designs or identity. Perhaps Hindu temples should start to relocate into shoplots!
 
As usual the NST writes a differing view as compared to MK. You can also read other related articles at:
 
 http://poobalan.com/blog/religion/2008/01/05/rest-in-peace-hindu-sangam/
 
 
 
 
Committee to deal with issues set up

RAWANG: Representatives of some 700 Hindu temples in have agreed to form a committee among themselves to deal directly with the state government on erecting, demolishing and relocating temples.

They also agreed with Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd 's proposal to have the self-regulatory committee ready within six months. The decision was made at an hour-long dialogue session between Dr Khir and the representatives, facilitated by the newly set up Malaysian Hindu Council.

At a press conference after the meeting, Dr Khir said state exco member Kamala Ganapathy would assist the proposed committee. "The committee must come up with regulations and requirements in terms of qualifications of priests, locations of the temples and the needed and so on," he said. The menteri besar said a to be built must comply with the regulations set by the committee and, the committee, after agreeing that the has met the requirements, will meet the state government's committee for approval.

While waiting six months for the committee to be set up, Dr Khir said the state would avoid taking action against temples built without approval. However, relocation exercises would proceed for the temples that had agreed to be relocated.  Dr Khir said action had also been taken against mosques, surau and Chinese temples that were built without permission. "The only place of worship we have not encountered any problem with is the Christian churches. They always abide by all regulations."

At yesterday's dialogue, Malay- sian Hindu Council chairman Datuk R. also submitted to Dr Khir a proposal for the setting up of a Malaysian in . This is following an announcement by Dr Khir that there was a RM20 million state allocation for the purpose of building a cultural centre for the Indian community.

 
 
 

S'gor halts demolitions for six months

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76712

Syed Jaymal Zahiid | Jan 5, 08 12:49pm

The state government has announced a six-month moratorium on the demolition of Hindu temples in the state.

The six-month duration is to allow the temples themselves to establish a self-regulatory committee to deal directly with the state government on erecting, demolishing and relocating temples.

This was announced by Mentri Besar Dr Mohamad after an hour long meeting with representatives of some 700 Hindu temples in the state in Rawang yesterday evening.

The meeting was facilitated by the newly set up Malaysian Hindu Council, headed by the Jalan Bandar Maha Mariamman and president R .

"The committee must come up with regulations and requirements in terms of qualifications of priests, locations of the temples and the needed and so on," Khir said.

He also added that a newly build must comply with the regulations set by the committee and, the committee, after agreeing that the has met the requirements, will meet the state government for approval.

"We don't want temples being built without approval. Suggestions from this committee will be discussed at the executive council level before approval (for building new temples) is given," he added.

He said that 's state exco member Kamala Ganapathy would assist the proposed committee.

Matter of legality

He also said that while waiting six months for the committee to be set up, the state would avoid taking action against temples built without approval.

However, relocation exercises would proceed for the temples that had agreed to be relocated, he added.

"We want everybody to work together in this matter. Once this regulatory body is put into frame, it will be easier for us to move on to the next step," Khir said.

The dialogue session set up between Khir and the representatives, held at the Perangsang Templer Golf Club in the outskirts of the city, was to discuss the problems of the series of demolitions that have occurred in throughout last year.

The Indian community have accused Khir's government of intolerable ruthlessness when it comes to dealing with the issue.

Khir and his government however pointed out that the issue was just a matter of "legality", saying that the temples that have been demolished are those that were not built according to law.

"We must not look at this ( demolition) from a prejudicial and cynical perspective. It is not race or religious bias that made us act on the temples, but a legal one," stressed the chief minister in his speech earlier.

'I have always been fair'

He said that in , besides Hindu temples, other religious edifices like the Muslim's surau, the Chinese' tokong have all faced state government action because they were built not in accordance to regulations.

"The only religious building that the state government have not taken action against are churches. Why? Because they were built in accordance with the law set by the state and the federal government," he noted.

According to the chief minister, his government has always been fair to all races in the state.

To counter allegations that his administration practices religious bias, Khir said the accusers should look at the facts.

"In , the state government have approved the construction of 146 Hindu temples. If I practice religious bias, why are there 146 Hindu temples in ?" he said.

In support of his claim, he added that his administration have allocated RM20 million for the construction of a Hindu Cultural Centre, which will be located at .

"I want people to understand the culture of the Indian Malaysians here so that all that the racial unity that our forefathers have strived to build will be safeguarded by future generations," he said.

's council of temples

Following the meeting the representatives and the state government in , another such meeting would be held in Kuala Lumpur on Jan 13 involving all representatives from the city.

This was announced by president S today. He would be chairing the KL meeting. Many cases of demolitions are confined to Kuala Lumpur and .

According to Bernama today, said that without political support, the fate of temples, especially those built illegally would be in limbo.

He also said that would be forming a council of Hindu temples in every state to protect the temples and resolve their problems through the state governments.

"The considers the demolition of temples as a very serious political matter and it requires consultations from various parties," he said in a statement.

As such, the council would be tasked with several functions, among others, to safeguard temples and to protect the integrity of the Hindu ; to register temples which comply with the requirements; and to obtain permanent and suitable alternative sites for temples.

said that if a was found to have been built on private or government land, the council would seek an alternative and suitable site for it.

"The council will also ascertain that the plans for all the temples have been submitted to the local authorities to prevent future problems. The council will get the approval for the plans once they have been submitted," he said.

However, it would not interfere in the running of the or its administration, he added.

 
 
 
 

reps: Meeting a political ploy

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76718

Khairil Zhafri | Jan 5, 08 3:27pm

Representative from about 700 Hindu temples in met in a close-door dialogue with Menteri Besar Dr Mohd yesterday to discuss problems faced by the temples.

The meeting was facilitated by the Malaysian Hindu Council (MHC), a newly-formed umbrella body that claims to represent Hindu temples and Hindu-based organisations in Malaysia.

The purpose of the meeting was to allow the representative to discuss matters pertaining to demolition, renovation and building of new temples in the state with Khir.

After the dialogue, Malaysiakini asked representatives for their comments on the dialogue.

One committee member who declined to be named said the menteri besar didn't answer most of the issues raised by the Hindu temples. Instead he is claimed to have chimed in with projects the Barisan Nasional government had done for the Hindu community.

"He didn't say much, but just (speaking to) gain support for in the election," he said.

However, the representative from a in Klang welcomed the financial allocation for Hindu temples as promised by Khir as it was what they are duly entitled to.

In his speech, Khir had asked the audience whether they agree to set up a body to self-regulate Hindu temples in . There were no response from the audience at first.

Khir then reiterate his question for the second time asking "agree or not?". Only then majority of the audience said "agree" and gave an applause.

Problems with the new body

However, another representative approached by Malaysiakini at the event told that he did not understand why the state government wanted to set up a new regulatory body for Hindu temples.

"In his speech, he (Khir) said the state government already have a committee to take care the Hindu matters. So why (need to set up) a new committee?" asked the representative from Banting.

The representative was referring to the committee for non-Muslim places of worship in the government, whose members include non-Muslim state executive councilors.

He also said the setting up a new regulatory body will only cause more problems to Hindu temples as there would be overlapping regulations by the government and the body.

Another representative said that he did not see any concrete outcome from the dialogue.

When asked to comment on the memorandum submitted to the government, he said, "we support the memorandum but if the government is not doing anything about it, (there is) no use (to send any memorandum)," he added.

Demanding government assistance

At the event, a memorandum was submitted to the state government by Malaysian Hindu Council on behalf of Hindu temples in the state:

In the 13-paged memorandum, MHC proposed, among others, that:

- all Hindu temples to be legalised and state government draw up a guideline on legality of Hindu temples upon consultation with Hindu bodies

- certain procedures should be followed in the event of demolition and removal of temples

- government to give a waiver for utilities like electricity, water, sewerage, quit rent and and also assessment

- Hindus should be given the liberty to build a to their own specifications

- registration of committees with the Registrar of Societies should be made easier

The event was held at Perangsang Templer Golf Club in Rawang. It was originally planned to be held at Batu Caves but later changed to the golf club to accommodate the big number of attendees.

Objections to MHC and

The event started at 5.00pm with speech by MHC chairperson R followed by Khir's speech. Members of the press was asked to leave the venue to allow Khir and representatives to talk in private.

During the dialogue, Khir answered the issues raised by temples representatives for about one and a half hour. State exco A Kamala Ganapathy took over from Khir when he left the hall for a press conference with .

The meeting between Hindu representatives and mentri besar had received objection by a group of Indian NGOs earlier. The NGOs questioned the credibility of MHC and to handle the meeting.

Last year, government took action to demolish all places of worship claimed to be illegally built . The matter was at its height when a 100-year-old temple in Rimba Jaya demolished by the local authority with use of violence and force.

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