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born as hindu die as hindu

April 22nd, 2009
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Brave words from 11 year old Karan Dinesh, but I’m not sure if he understands what he means. For all intents and purposes, the workers in religious department have considered the kids as muslim due to the unilateral decision of the cowardly father (i really wonder how the people can even accept people like this into their religion, really downgrades the religion). So, would the boy take his on life to maintain his stand to die as hindu? even that is not possible now because the moment he dies, the jabatan agama fellows will be lining up to grab his body, armed with court order and police escort. As i mentioned earlier, the family better make plans to escape to other country. Get the political parties or Hindu Sangam to fund the cost. Or even start a “save Indira’s family” campaign to collect money and ship them off to overseas. Because, according to the committee set up to solve this problem, it will “take some time”. By then, the kids will be forced to study the religion and brainwashed.

The mother is living in fear because the kids may be snatched any time. The religious department delivered the notice to the school (is that legal?) hoping that the kids will be detained when they go to school. However, the mother had kept them away from school after this fiasco.

All she wants is for her children to be able to go to school and for the family to lead a normal life again. “My children can’t go to school now. I fear the school will turn them over to the Syariah Court so I am keeping them at home,” said M. Indira Ghandi, 35, today at a press conference.

… Muhammad Rizal since then has been trying to take custody of two of the children – Karan Dinish, 11 and Tevi Darsiny, 12 – from their mother.

He had already taken custody of the baby, Prasana Diksa through what Indira claimed the use of force.

She had lodged six police reports to date.

The government is attending to Indira’s situation and has formed a three-man committee comprising three Ministers to find an amicable solution.

The three are Ministers in the Prime Minister’s department Tan Sri Koh Tsu Koon (Unity), Maj-Gen (R) Datuk Jamil Khir Baharom (Islamic Affairs) and Human Resources Minister Datuk Dr S.Subramaniam.

The committee met Monday but offered little hope of an immediate relief to Indira.

Indira’s plea to the authorities was simple.

“I am worried for my children’s studies. My daughter is sitting for the UPSR exam. How is she to prepare for the exam. Their lives have been disrupted as a result of this. They can’t go anywhere as I fear they will be taken from me,” Indira said as her children sat beside her.

Indira said since the Syariah court failed to serve her with the notice to hand over the children to the father, it had served the notice to the school.

The school has been put in a spot and appeared inclined to hand over the children to the court and their father.

Indira said her marriage had run into problems earlier this year. They tried to reconcile but failed.

“Things came to a head on April 1 when he grabbed our infant child from our home. He took their birth certificates and some of my certificates as well.”

Indira said she learnt only of his conversion when she went to report the infant being forcibly taken away from her.

“At the police station, they informed us about the conversion,” she said.

Over the next 48 hours, Muhammad Rizal moved to convert the three children using their birth certificates and got the Syariah court to issue and order giving him custody of the children.

Indira said the infant is currently being cared for by her mother-in-law.

In an immediate comment, DAP parliamentary leader Lim Kit Siang said it it would be a while before the three-member committee find a solution to the problem.

“This is most unsatisfactory. The issue is clear for everyone to see. The children have been converted without their mother’s consent,” he said.

Lim felt Indira’s case should be a role model for the government’s “One Malaysia: People First, Peformance Now” slogan.

“Instead we are being given excuses. The government should put a stop to this type of cases by simply making the law clear,” he said.

DAP obviously see this as an opportunity to get some brownie points championing the rights of the people, but can’t blame them for the weakness/foolishness of the ruling coalition. Wonder what PAS says on this. Or UMNO, for the matter.

How about MIC? One representative is in the committee, so we hope to hear some positive words. MIC have chance to redeem itself a little bit, so it must make use of it.

Note that the boy got Malay and Islam mixed up. One wonders how that mistake happened. Bad coaching or his own understanding is like that?

Who to blame? I blame it squarely on the leaders (since the independence) of the country. Its their collective failure that lead to this kind of crime happening. They don’t have the guts to fix the loopholes in the law. All the members of parliament (living or dead) especially those who formed the two thirds majority are answerable for the crime committed by the father. The people in the attorney general’s office are also equally guilty of abetting this crime. Its time for Mahathir, Abdullah Badawi, Ling Liong Sik, Ong Ka Ting, Anwar Ibrahim, Samy Vellu, Subra, and whole lot of others to be rebuked and punished for failing the people of the country. Remember that being in the government means collective responsibility – you cannot plead ignorance or just make noise once you’re not in the cabinet/govt/party. I can’t remember anyone resigning over their stand on unethical conversion. So, the whole lot is guilty.

Of course the father is also guilty, but he merely acted cunningly by making use of the loopholes in the law. He just follow precedent set by others before him.

We still remember the ruling for Subashini’s case – the child can stay with the mother, but they are to remain as Muslim. Isn’t that cruel? Where’s the compassion in justice? Are we robots? Is their religion that rigid and cruel? Would the children grow up appreciating our country’s diversity or end up cursing it? Would they be true Muslims or “atas nama” only? Makes us think if the decision makers have thinking capacity or not.

The solution is simple – we Malaysians must ignore the conversion which makes a mockery of us. Label it null and void. initiate criminal proceeding against the husband for wife abuse. change the law within a month – make it a fast track case. in the meantime, suspend all conversion application so that more criminals do not pass through the loopholes. But I fear it will end up like Subashini’s case. The religious department and AG office will make use of the grossly unfair decision made by the court and deny justice to Indira and her kids. So, no justice, no fairness, no rights.

Koh Tsu Koon meanwhile faces the first crisis in his role Minister in PM Department in charge of Unity. He starts off with a meeting on Monday to find a fast solution. He admits that it would involve court proceedings.

A meeting was held on Monday to discuss the matter and those who attended the meeting had a better understanding on the issue, he added.

Women, Family and Community Development Minister Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil, Human Resources Minister Datuk Dr S. Subramaniam and Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department (Religious Affairs) Datuk Jamil Khir Baharom were among those present at the meeting.

Also present were Malaysian Hindu Sangam president Datuk A. Vaithilingam and its Perak leader J. Vijayalingam.

Few months down the lane, another case will appear and we will start the whole process again.

Hindu Temples in KL agree to relocate

April 21st, 2009
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Well, 28 out of 29 agree to relocate, says Deputy FT minister Saravanan:

Twenty-eight out of 29 Hindu temples sitting on disputed land around Kuala Lumpur have agreed to relocate by May.

Deputy Federal Territories Minister Datuk M. Saravanan said all 28 temple caretakers had agreed to relocate to several locations provided by the Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) except for the Sri Muniaswarar Temple in Jalan Air Panas, Setapak, which remained adamant in staying put.

“It is the government’s policy not to demolish any house of worship without first giving it an alternative area to relocate to.

“To those who refuse to relocate, they will be given 30 days and an alternative location, following which we may proceed to demolish the building,“ he told reporters at the Buddha Miao You Temple in Setapak yesterday.

Saravanan said the temples had been given notices to relocate last year but many refused to do so until the DBKL issued the last notice on March 1.

“We did not force them to move out without giving them another place to go; several alternatives had been suggested,” he said.

Its indeed a good news as ugly confrontation leading to demolishment of temples have been avoided. However, it will be better if the list of temples, date of establishment, registration status of the temple committee,  cost of relocation, land status and location of new sites, are also revealed (both offline and online)  so that we don’t find temples end up next to sewerage ponds or water tanks.

And what is the reason for the sole temple not agreeing to relocate?

Indira Gandhi interview video

April 18th, 2009
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Malaysiakini’s interview with Indira Gandhi, whose husband unilaterally converted her three kids, including a 11 year old baby, by just using birth certificate is available on Malaysiakini.tv and also Youtube [4:29min]. In this interview, she adds that the husband had an affair with a Thai woman, in addition to what was reported earlier.

You can download the flv file here [4:29 mins, 10.4MB] (needs an FLV player like VLC).

There’s another video of Ms Indira who was asked by her husband to meet him at the Jabatan Agama supposedly because he wanted to return the baby, but the officers there attempted to serve Syariah court order to her, which she correctly rejected. You can view it in Youtube [1:43 min] or download it as FLV file here [1:43 mins, 3.9MB].

Cabinet to investigate Indira children conversion

April 17th, 2009
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If this lady is as tough as her namesake, its going to a be hell of a problem for the husband.  The story, as written published below, may not tell the whole picture, and to be fair, we have to wait till more details come out.

But while the case is going on, I wonder what happened to the initiative to streamline the conversion processes as proposed by PM Badawi last time. Then, MCA, ABIM, IKIM, and other groups were making noise of the illegal conversions issues that caused lot of unhappiness and distrust among the communities in the country. And some people wonder why certain community can be ungrateful or unappreciative or whatever.

This kind of problem won’t end without proper guidelines and perhaps a monitoring body for the non-Muslims to ensure their rights are actually protected, and not exist merely as words in the constitution. We had the Subashini case which still reverberates in our minds. Granted there were few cases where the conversion was reversed –  like the Chinese lady, Tan Eng Huan who married an Iranian (I think) out love, but never practised anything remotely close to Islam. A lady was buried as Buddhist after it was proven that she never did practise Islam, in Perlis. There was another case in Kota Bahru and one more in Malacca, if I’m not mistaken where the families of the convert got back their properties. Some may be deemed convert just because their MyKad said so! Or do anyone remember case of Elangesvaran?

The case of Indira Gandhi was first highlighted via a Hindu Sangam press statement as below, with specific mention of abuse:

PRESS STATEMENT :
APPEAL TO RAJA NAZRIN – DO WE NEED TO CONVERT BREASTFED 11 MONTH OLD BABY ?

At a time when we are welcoming “ONE MALAYSIA” concept we still have Ulamas who convert a 11 month old baby named Prasanna Thiksha to Ummu Abima bte Mohd Ridzuan. This baby was grabbed by a wife beating husband and both the husband Pathmanathan and the baby were converted in the state of Perak at Ipoh, Pasir Putih. The baby is still being breastfed.

A police report was made, but, as usual it does not “interfere” when it comes to one particular religion.

The mother a kindergarten teacher Indra Gandhi had to protect her other two children. The husband was able to snatch the Birth Certificates of the two Children and the wife now lives in fear because she is wondering whether the Birth Certificates can be used to convert the other two children.

Is this the “ONE MALAYSIA” vision we are going to encounter in the years to come? The Malaysia Hindu Sangam is most disturbed with this turn of events because the Judiciary in Malaysia has most often been “blind” to issues on Islam. We now have to channel our appeal to the Royalty because the head of the religion is the Ruler.

It is with good intentions that we appeal to the lovable Prince of Perak HRH Raja Nazrin ibni Sultan Raja Azlan Shah to intervene and solve this problem in a mutual humane way with harmony, peace and justice for all.

Thank you.

Datuk A. Vaithilingam
President
Malaysia Hindu Sangam

So, for now, just like Saravanan (the ex-husband of Subashini), this fellow is also looking like a coward who brings shame to the religion he claims to converted to. He had no guts to go through the divorce process and took the back door way.

THE MHS issued another press statement saying that the matter has been brought to the attention of the Cabinet:

Press Statement : Cabinet Intervenes On Complaints on Child Conversion

15 APRIL 2009

Early this month a father forcefully converted his eleven month old baby by grabbing the baby from the mother after assaulting her. This happened at Pasir Puteh, Ipoh. Last week the father Pathmanathan alias Mohd Ridzuan B Abdullah has obtained a Syariah court order to send the other two children whom he claimed to have converted to Islam by using their Birth Certificates to be sent to him.

After bringing this matter up to the Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Hj Muhiyuddin and Cabinet Ministers Tan Sri Koh Tsu Khoon and Datuk Dr.S.Subramaniam, this matter was brought to the cabinet meeting today and it was viewed with great concern.

Tan Sri Muhiyuddin informed me that 3 Minsters led by Tan Sri Koh Tsu Khoon, Major General Datuk Jamil Khir and Datuk Dr S.Subramaniam have been asked to immediately look into the matter.

Tan Sri Koh Tsu Khoon has requested the Malaysia Hindu Sangam and all others concerned to provide all the information so that a quick solution can be worked out. He also said that the Prime Minister has taken a serious view of this matter.

In the meantime Malaysia Hindu Sangam appeals to all concerned to be calm and assist in finding a just solution to this issue.

Datuk A.Vaithilingam.
President
Malaysia Hindu Sangam.

I hope the ministers concerned can indeed come out with some statement, instead of we have to rely on MHS. This will go a long way to reestablish some trust in the system. It will be good indeed if the DPM or PM mention something so that can reassure the families and community at large.

So, will Indira Gandhi plea be heard?

Her three young children were forcefully converted to Islam by her estranged husband. And M Indira Ghandi is taking her plight straight to the doorstep of Sri Perdana.

Calling on newly minted Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak to explain the matter, the 35-year-old kindergarten teacher said: “He talks about an united Malaysia. But what does this mean when only the Muslims have rights.”

“I am not anti-Islam and I am not saying that they (Muslims) are doing wrong things but why do non-Muslims have to suffer like this?” she asked as tears welled up in her eyes.

Indira’s marriage is now is a limbo as her husband K Patmanathan, 40, had converted without her knowledge on March 11.

She claimed that her husband, who has since assumed the name Mohd Ridzuan Abdullah, had also converted their children, aged one to 12, on April 12 without their presence and using only their birth certificates.

He took my baby (their youngest child) from me and ran away… I have not seen her ever since and I don’t know how she’s doing,” lamented Indira.

As for her marriage, the teacher, who also claimed to have been physically abused, said the couple were married for 16 years and had been facing problems for a long time. “It started so many years back that I can no longer keep track of when it started.”

“Recently he asked for a divorce and I thought to myself that since that was what he wanted I consented but he did not want to start the process and demanded that I do so.

“So I went to a marriage tribunal and filed for counselling in Ipoh but he never attended any of the counselling sessions,” she said. [so, there will be some records here]

Indira claimed that after one particular explosive argument, which also involved her mother and sisters, her husband had fled with their youngest daughter Prasana Diksa.

“When we went to the police station and lodged a report, no immediate action was taken by the police although my baby was still very young and needed to be breast-fed,” she said.

Since that incident, Indira has filed six police reports, with one alleging that she feared for her life because her husband had threatened her.

Indira said the police managed to locate her husband later but only to discover that he had converted the children.

The couple’s two other children Tevi Darsiny, 12 and Karan Dinesh, 11 are currently living with Indira, who has taken refuge with a relative fearing that Islamic officials would take the kids away.

“I was neither told nor asked about it (the conversion)… I don’t know what to do,” she lamented.

According to Indira, her husband had called her last Wednesday and promised to return her youngest child.

“He asked me to come to the Islamic Department (Jais) in Ipoh and take my baby because he could not care for her but he didn’t show up.

“Instead there was a man waiting there to serve me papers from the Syariah Court granting custody of my other children to him,” she said.

However, she refused to accept the papers as she believed that Syariah laws had no jurisdiction over her.

As for her husband’s conversion, Indira said he had spoken about his interest in Islam but she claimed this was related to monetary gains.

“I have no idea what his intentions are… but he mentioned once before that we will get RM5,000 each if we ‘nikah’ (marry according to Islamic rights) and money would also be given on a monthly basis to each of our children for education purposes.

“Over the past couple of days he keeps calling me and asks me to convert to Islam. He tells me that I should convert first and then we, as in the whole family, can opt out later back into Hinduism,” she said, adding that she wanted to remain a Hindu.

‘I love my wife very much’

Contacted later, her husband dismissed Indira’s allegations as absurd, saying he converted because he was passionate about Islam which he had discovered during his business trips.

Denying that he had physically abused her, Mohd Ridzuan said: “I don’t want to say anything but I love my wife very much… right now I only want her back.”

Asked why he had converted the children without informing his wife, he replied: “You see all the children must follow the father’s religion no matter whether he is a Hindu, Christian or Muslim.

“This is not a political issues, this is my family matter and I don’t want to shame my wife,” said the businessman who has filed for custody of the children with the Syariah Court.

Meanwhile, Indira has sought the help of several legal adviders, non-Muslim organisations and the public.

“This is not only my case, many people are suffering because of this. We are filing for the custody of my children because they don’t want to go to their father, and they (the other party) are totally rejecting this.

But the question is even if I can get back my children, will they be Hindu again? Why does it only take a day to convert my children but it is so difficult to return to their old religion?” she asked.

“Don’t I have say in it, when I was the one who carried them for nine months… aren’t they my children too? So what is my right and my children’s rights?

“The government say this is a country where it is free to practice your own religion but what is the right of a non-Muslim in this situation?” she added.

Well, in any case, Indira better make plan to migrate.

Happy New Year

April 14th, 2009
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Well, its been about 8 hours since we woke up to a new year. This year is known as Virodhi (means “enemy” in tamil), but hopefully it will be a good year for everyone. One Hindu priest says there’s nothing to fear:

This year is called Virodhi in Tamil. It means “enemy”.

But there is no need to fear that the Tamil New Year, which begins today, will bring death and destruction, assures Hindu priest Sivasri Thevaindran Gurukal.

Mother Earth is not expected to wreak havoc upon its inhabitants as no great natural disasters are expected.

The name Virodhi, according to Gurukal, indicates that this year will be a time when enmity takes a back seat and peace generally prevails.

However, on the political front, he said there would be instability, and changes in leaders and governments throughout the world.

The Tamil New Year, or Putthaandu, is observed on the first day of the Tamil month of Chithirai.

Gurukal, reading from the Panchangam or almanac, said the year promises to be better for those who have been suffering.

“This goes for nations, businesses, groups, individuals and families. But it can only be achieved with the exercise of great patience and caution.”

Gurukal said although business would be slow and debts would increase, many new ideas, contracts and opportunities would open up.

He said families would become more cooperative, especially in view of the difficult times its members have gone through so far.

“There will be a lot of changes for individuals, including the birth of children and the arrival and achievement of things long wished for.”

Gurukal, however, warned that the political atmosphere in the country and worldwide would be most unstable with unexpected changes in governments and leaders.

He said in Malaysia, there could be some political change come September.

He said the positive thing was that, overall, people would have more say in the governance of nations.

“It is important to seek the advice and blessings of elders before making any new move,” he advised.

Incidentally, the Malayalees celebrate Vishu new year today as well, while the Sikhs celebrated Vasakhi yesterday. The days between 13 to 15 April is very significant in many parts of the world as man cultures celebrate it as new year or some other festival.

Let’s see what some other prominent figures say:

Mariamman Temple chairman Nadarajah:

Sri Mahamariamman Temple board chairman Datuk R. Nadarajah said the Tamil new year, called Virothi, marked the beginning of the Chittirai month.

“All our temples will mark the new year with the abishegam or bathing of the deities at 6.30am followed by a special pooja,” he said.

This will be followed by the reading of the almanac or panjangam immediately after at the Jalan Tun H.S. Lee and Old Pudu Road temples here. The panjangam will, however, be read at the Batu Caves temple at 8pm tonight.

Nadarajah said ponggal, or sweet rice, will be prepared for devotees. The temple board will also distribute 10,000 copies of the new Tamil calendar to those attending the ceremonies.

Secretary of Sri Kandaswamy Temple:

G. Ganesan, the secretary of the Sri Kandaswamy Temple in Lorong Scott, Brickfields, said they would pray for the well-being of the Government and nation, especially since Malaysia has a new prime minister and Cabinet.

Malaysian Gurdwara Council president:

In Seremban, Malaysian Gurdwara Council president Malkith Singh said the Vasakhi celebrations at most gurdwara (Sikh places of worship) began on Sunday with the continuous recitation of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Sikh holy book. The Sikhs regard the Granth Sahib as their living Guru.

“Our non-Sikh friends are more than welcome to celebrate with us. Vegetarian meals will be served, and they can learn more about our culture and traditions,” he said.

Samy Vellu in NST:

MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu extended greetings to Tamils, Malayalees and Sikhs celebrating their respective new year yesterday, and called on the Indian community to embrace the 1Malaysia concept mooted by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak.

He said the need for unity among Malaysians, particularly among Indians, was vital if “1Malaysia” was to become a reality.

“Unity is the top priority of the new administration and, as such, we as Malaysian Indians must do our part to assist in the unity process.

“We must have strong will and determination to make this happen for the sake of our country,” he said in a statement.

He said the MIC would lead the way in embracing the “1 Malaysia” concept by working with all sections of the Indian community and Indian-based non-governmental organisations.
“We have already embarked on this mission to ensure that the Indian community will have a stronger voice,” he said, urging Indians not to waste time quarrelling over petty and unproductive issues.

Samy Vellu said the government had promised to find new ways to resolve many problems affecting the Indian community “but we too have to work hard and become independent”.

Dr S Subra in NST:

MIC secretary-general Datuk Dr S. Subramaniam said the Tamil, Malayalee and Sikh communities have contributed immensely to the nation and that they have been instrumental in the Indian community becoming an advanced society on par with the other communities.

“We have come a long way but we must remain united to ensure peace and stability are sustained,” he said.

The human resources minister called on the Indian community to grab the many opportunities provided for it by the government “as failure to do so will result in us losing out”.

MHS President in NST:

Malaysia Hindu Sangam president Datuk A. Vaithilingam said that with all Indian groups celebrating their new year together this year, it was “definitely going to be an excellent opportunity for the 1Malaysia concept to start off”.

“Let us all pray together for peace and harmony in a united 1Malaysia,” he said and wished Tamils “Putthaandu Valthukkal”, Malayalees “Happy Vishu” and Sikhs “Happy Vasakhi”.

And of course, this year marks the beginning of new leadership in the country, and thus our new PM’s first wish for the Indian community:

Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak has extended greetings to Tamils, Malayalees and Sikhs who celebrate their respective new year today.

“I would like to wish you a wonderful and prosperous New Year and hope that the well-being of Malaysia and its people are in your prayers. Have a joyous New Year!” Prime Minister said in a statement yesterday.

Najib said the celebrations reminded him of the tremendous value of the country’s diversity.

Today, the Tamils celebrate “Varusha Pirappu“, the Malayalees “Vishu” and the Sikhs “Vaisakhi“.