Posts Tagged ‘Batu Caves’

hindu reps fighting each other now

January 3rd, 2008
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Barely 6 weeks after Hindraf rally, these jokers are into it again. Splitting the community with their own groups, councils and whatnots.

Where is Malaysian Hindu Sangam? They always seemed to release press statements on time. Have they been left out in the cold since meeting with PM?

Every participant to the meeting should bring video cameras, tape recorders and other recording devices so that everything is captured clearly.

Temples: Don't meet with poseurs, Khir urged
http://malaysiakini.com/news/76651
K Kabilan | Jan 3, 08 6:56pm

A group of Indian NGOs today objected to a meeting to be held tomorrow between Selangor Menteri Besar Dr Mohd Khir Toyo and several Hindu temple representatives over the issue of temple demolitions in the state. 

The main crux of their complaint is the credibility of the newly-formed umbrella body that claims to represent Hindu temples and Hindu-based organisations in Malaysia and its chairperson R Nadarajah (left).

“Nadarajah and the organisation he leads – the Malaysian Hindu Council (MHC) – is not the most credible and recognised group in the community,” said N Mahendran representing 29 Indian-based NGOs.

“Nadarajah and the Malaysian Hindu Council have allowed the desecration of the holiest Hindu place of worship in Malaysia and the region,” he told Malaysiakini.

Mahendran was referring to the violent dispersal by police of a large crowd who had gathered peacefully at the compound of the Batu Caves Hindu temple in the early hours of Nov 25 last year.

The crowd had arrived there prior to participating in the much-talked about Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) organised rally in Kuala Lumpur later that morning.

The police have said that they had acted after they were called in by the Batu Caves temple management committee, which Nadarajah heads.

Mahendran said that the Malaysian Hindu Council only came onto the local scene in recent months.

“Only a handful of NGOs are aware of their existence and as such they can’t truly and honestly represent the interests of the community,” he said, adding that a more accepted established body, the Malaysian Hindu Sangam, should attend such meetings with government leaders.

Election gimmick

The Seremban-based Indian Malaysian Active Generation also felt that the Malaysian Hindu Sangam was a more appropriate body to talk to Khir on matters pertaining to Hindu temple demolitions.

Its spokesperson Yohan Vivegananthan questioned why Nadarajah’s group had suddenly come into the picture talking about protecting temples.

“Why only now? Where was this Malaysian Hindu Council during the demolition of the many Hindu temples in Selangor?” he asked. 

He said that the meeting organised by Nadarajah’s MHC was merely ‘an election gimmick’ to hoodwink the community into believing that something was now being done to protect Hindu temples from demolition. 

Another vocal grassroots movement, Group of Concerned Citizens (GCC), also raised the credibility issue not just of Nadarajah’s but also of Khir’s in holding their meeting tomorrow. 

“Both of them have played direct or indirect roles in the desecration of Hindu temples in the state,” GCC’s coordinator Charles Santiago (right) told Malaysiakini.

He said Nadarajah should first apologise to the community for allowing the police to enter the Batu Caves temple compound on Nov 25 last year.

As for Khir, Santiago said that the Selangor menteri besar had allowed many Hindu temples in the state to be demolished without listening to the pleas of devotees.

“How can they then talk about protecting temples?” he asked.

‘They were trespassing’

The meeting tomorrow between Nadarajah’s MHC and Khir will be the first of its kind.

“We are calling on all temples in Selangor to provide us with the information […] all issues can be solved (at the meeting),” Nadarajah said in a statement last week. 

He also said that the Malaysian Hindu Council will be gathering information, among others on the size, land ownership and registration of Hindu temples. 

According to the state government, there are between 800 and 900 Hindu temples รขโ‚ฌโ€œ both big and small – in Selangor.

On the Nov 25 crowd that had gathered at the Batu Caves temple, Nadarajah claimed that the crowd had trespassed into the temple and caused damage.

“Temple property (was) damaged. We need to lodge a police report to claim the insurance money. We never lodged a report against anybody but only on the trespassing,” he said.

The controversial meeting tomorrow was originally scheduled for 4.30 pm at the Batu Caves temple but the venue has now been shifted to the Prangsang Templar Park Golf Club in Rawang.

temple chairmen to meet khir toyo

December 31st, 2007
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Khir to meet all Hindu temple chairmen this Friday

BERNAMA

 
 

KUALA LUMPUR, MON:

SELANGOR MB Datuk Seri Dr Mohamad Khir Toyo will be meeting the chairmen of all Hindu temples in the state this Friday to discuss problems affecting the places of worship.

Malaysian Hindu Council chairman Datuk R. Nadarajah said the meeting would take place at Batu Caves on Friday and about 800 chairmen of Hindu temples throughout Selangor were expected to attend it.

“We will use this opportunity to discuss with him problems affecting Hindu temples and hope that he will be able to assist us in resolving them,” Nadarajah told reporters this today.

He said a memorandum on the problems affecting Hindu temples would also be handed over to Khir.

police claims hindraf activities involve secret service???

December 22nd, 2007
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I read through the chronology and found no statement on links with secret societies etc.

Chronology of events

source

– 2007: Police investigations show that Hindraf was involved in numerous violent demonstrations, including employing the services of secret societies against local authorities legally demolishing temples.
[wonder why the above item is stated as 2007 only]

– July 2007: Hindraf leaders give speeches and distribute a seditious publication, 50 Years of Violation of the Federal Constitution by the Malaysian Government at the Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall.
[does seditious mean telling lies, telling unconfirmed news/rumours, or telling the truth that may hurt, but still is the truth?]

– Aug 12: Hindraf leaders and followers gather illegally outside the prime minister's office, demanding that the prime minister personally collect a memorandum from them. Hindraf leaders speak and widely distribute pamphlets containing their memorandum which called for the end to Malay special rights and included other similar demands intended to cause racial tension.
[well, when there's no reply from various posted letters, i suppose it is only normal to personall handover the requests]

– Aug 30: Hindraf files class action suit against the British government for bringing Indians to Malaysia as indentured labourers and exploiting them for 150 years and thereafter failing to protect the Indian community's rights under the Federal Constitution when independence was granted. The sum sought was US$4 trillion (RM14 trillion) — or US$1 million for every Malaysian Indian.
[is this a crime? i thought this is a legal process. if not successful, so be it lah]

– October – December: SMSes alleging government conspiracies to demolish temples and completely marginalise the Indian community are circulated. In relation to the planned Hindraf rally, SMSes are sent stating that each Indian attending the rally would receive RM100,000.
– Nov 15: In a letter to the British prime minister, Hindraf alleges that the Malaysian government practises ethnic cleansing and the Islamic extremist backed government demolished Hindu temples.
[origin of the SMS? hopefully not from some 16 years old school girl's handphone!. I'm sure the letter to Gordon Brown contained more than "ethnic cleansing" and "islamic extremists". Anyway, what's the big deal? I'm sure that UK and Malaysia being good friends, UK have good idea and information on our country. The memo would not have impacted our country. Again, is this a crime?]

– Nov 16: Hindraf applies at Cheras police station for a permit to hold a gathering to submit a petition to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II to fund (estimated by Hindraf to be RM5 million) their lawsuit against the British government.

– Nov 16: Hindraf's application for permit rejected by police as the planned gathering could potentially lead to trouble and public disorder as well as the fact that the application was made by an individual. Under Section 27 of the Police Act 1967, any application for a permit to assemble in a public place must be made by an organisation or jointly by three individuals.

– Nov 16: Hindraf leaders alleged to have given seditious speeches in Tamil at a restaurant in Kuala Selangor.
[alleged? hahahaha!]

– Nov 22: Court issues an order to Hindraf leaders prohibiting them from participating in the planned Nov 25 illegal gathering. This order means, that if the gathering goes on, the respondents will not only be held liable for illegal assembly, but can also be cited for contempt of court.
[hmmm…if indeed the leaders came at 1.15pm, can still charge under contempt of court? why ISA or this dillydallying?]

– Nov 23: Three Hindraf leaders are arrested and charged with sedition. Two are released on bail while the third refuses bail and threatens to go on a hunger strike.

– Nov 23: Scuffle breaks out between Hindraf supporters and FRU. A 2,000-strong Hindraf procession gathers behind Klang district police headquarters where released Hindraf leaders give speeches.

– Nov 25: Hindraf supporters damage vehicles and temple in Batu Caves, KL, as well as cause grievous bodily hurt to policemen present.
[proof that supporters did it? can be any tom, dick and harry right? i can be anti-hindraf, attend the gathering and throw stones everywhere ๐Ÿ™‚ ]

– Nov 25: In defiance of a court order and police warnings, Hindraf leaders vow to proceed with the illegal gathering and urge all Indians to attend. Police were ready to negotiate with Hindraf leaders to allow them to hand over the memorandum but they were missing from the rally and only attended at 1.15pm, more than 5 hours after the crowds had gathered.
[this depends on who you ask. attendees said the organisers were there around 8am itself.]

– Nov 26: Hindraf leaders are granted a discharge not amounting to an acquittal at the Klang Sessions Court.
[of course la. always "allege" only. how to win?]

– Nov 28: British High Commissioner denies receiving Hindraf memorandum. Hindraf claims it was faxed.
[hindraf claims it faxed "something" and high comm acknowledges it received "something"].

– December: Hindraf leaders systematically engage in a planned campaign spreading falsehoods to foreign governments and politicians. They claim that the Malaysian government carries out ethnic cleansing and widespread indiscriminate destruction of Hindu temples.
[ haiyaa…repeating old story only. what's the big deal? if left alone, i think will die a natural death. but looks like the govt is helping to promote and encourage hindraf?]

– Dec 01: A Hindraf leader, in an interview with the Indian Express (India), warned that Malaysia could become another Sri Lanka.
[so what? anyone can say many things, but if its not true, no big deal].

– Dec 04: A Hindraf leader, in an interview with the New Paper (Singapore), said that Hindraf could not rule out violence.
[incomplete statement. a search in the internet will show the full text of the interview and what the leader actually said]

– Dec 06: IGP reveals that Hindraf has links with terrorists and local gangster groups.
[reveals? sorry, i didn't see any proof]

– Dec 07: Attorney-General informs the court of documents alleging links between Hindraf and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).
[ alleges again? like this i also can be AG :)]

– Dec 11: Hindraf leaders are arrested and charged with sedition. A crowd gathers near Pudu Jail and begins shouting for the leader's release. The police and the Federal Reserve Unit take up positions as the crowd begins to swell.

– Dec 12: Police raid the offices of two Hindraf leaders at Menara Mutiara Bangsar in KL and in Seremban and seize computers and documents.

– Dec 13: Five Hindraf leaders are picked up from Petaling Jaya, Brickfields, Bangsar and Seremban under the Internal Security Act and send to the Kamunting Detention Centre where they will be held for two years. Hindraf supporters gather in two groups — one outside the Federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman and the other outside Menara Mutiara Bangsar. They condemn the arrests and vow to carry on with their struggle.
[well, they certainly have the spirit of malaysia boleh!]

Shaving head to support Hindraf

December 21st, 2007
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Oh no! If i shave my head for any other reason, it may be taken as supporting Hindraf! ๐Ÿ™‚ Hmmm…what if all those who shave their heads during Thaipusam do it as a support for Hindraf. That would mean thousands of people!!!

Hindraf supporters shave heads to protest detention
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76265
Dec 20, 07 2:13pm

More than a dozen ethnic Indian activists shaved their heads outside Batu Caves temple today to protest the detention of their leaders under the tough Internal Security Act (ISA).

Five leaders of the Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf), calling for an end to alleged discrimination of Indians in multi-racial Malaysia, were held last week under the ISA which allows for indefinite detention without trial.

More than 100 Indians gathered on the banks of a river near a temple at Batu Caves, just outside Kuala Lumpur, where 16 people shed their hair.

"The 16 of us have shaved our heads as a protest against the detention of the five leaders of Hindraf who are being held under the ISA," said activist S Jayathas.

"We do not believe they are a threat to national security and we think the ISA should be abolished," he added.

According to rights group Suaram, 89 people are currently being held under the ISA with almost half of those held being alleged Islamic militants.

Gandhi posters

The group then carried pictures of Indian non-violence Independence leader Mohandas K Gandhi as they headed towards the temple where prayers were held.

"In the Hindu religion, people shave their heads as a sign of mourning," said opposition PKR leader Sivarasa Rasiah, who was present at the event.

"Here, it reflects the sadness over the detention of the leaders and that protests against their detention and the fight against discrimination will continue," he told AFP.

Hindraf enraged the government last month by mounting a mass rally alleging discrimination in Malaysia, which is dominated by Muslim Malays.

Police used tear gas, water cannon and baton charges to break up the street protest, which drew 30,000 people and came just two weeks after another rare demonstration organised by electoral reform campaigners.

murder charge againts 31 detainees dropped

December 17th, 2007
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The drama is about to end soon. After nearly 3 weeks of high-octane action of creating mountains out of molehills, the story now spirals towards an anti-climax, with a predictable ending. Everyone will go back happy (except those 5 blokes) and pretend nothing ever happened. Status quo is maintained. Malaysians value peace, money, and things that does not need much thinking over street protests.

I remember that there’s a quote saying “melayu mudah lupa”. how about the indians? So far, about 80% of the people i talked to in the last two weeks clearly know who they are going to vote (or not) in the next election (hmmm…the may say one thing and do another!). the longer BN waits to call for election the better. time heals, as the saying goes.

Hindraf 31: Attempted murder charge dropped
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76127
Soon Li Tsin | Dec 17, 07 12:41pm

Attorney General Abdul Gani Patail today dropped the attempted murder charge against 26 Hindraf supporters who were alleged to have gathered illegally at the Batu Caves temple in the early hours of Nov 25.

However two counts of causing mischief and illegal assembly against the 26 remain.

Also dropped are all charges against four students.

In all 31 Hindraf supporters were charged with attempted murder of a policeman and they have been in remand since Dec 4 after being denied bail.

Representations were made by several Indian-based political parties, including MIC and MIC and some Indian-based non-government organisations for the attempted muder charge to be dropped against the 31.