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MP Parit Sulong says destroy statues and destroy crosses in missionary schools

November 27th, 2007
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i can already see the apology coming soon, the standard "my constituency have many chisrtians (other options are women, indians, disabled people). I have them to build/repair/obtain something. I have donated RMxxx as donation for the school/hall/temple/building. Please understand, I'm not a racist or against religion. If i had accidentally said things that may have heard the rakyat, i apologise". kes tutup.

taken from http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-29102007.pdf – mukasurat 143-144.

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong] : …..Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin menyentuh satu perkara tentang Kementerian Pelajaran iaitu sekolah-sekolah mubaligh seperti Convent, La Salle, Methodist dan sebagainya. Saya difahamkan Lembaga Pengarah di sekolah-sekolah ini sebahagiannya ditadbir dari gereja-gereja di luar negara seperti di Vatican City. Saya juga difahamkan permohonan untuk membina surau
di sebahagian sekolah-sekolah ini terpaksa mendapat kebenaran daripada Lembaga Pengarah yang mana Lembaga Pengarah ini sebahagiannya ditadbir oleh gereja. Jadi amat memalukanlah, bagi diri saya, tentang pentadbiran sekolah-sekolah ini yang masih lagi dikawal oleh pihak gereja. Begitu juga saya difahamkan tentang iklim sekolah-sekolah tersebut, banyak ibu bapa Islam menghantar anak-anak mereka ke sana, mereka kompelin sebab ada kalanya sekolah dimulakan dengan lagu-lagu gereja. Ini saya tidak tahu benar atau tidak, tetapi ia apa yang saya dapat daripada ibu bapa sendiri tetapi yang jelas di sekolahsekolah
ini terpampang simbol-simbol agama. Saya rasa kecewa di dalam negara Islam, Malaysia ini, kalau saya pergi ke sekolah convent, ada terpampang patung St. Mary di depan depan sekolah convent…

Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz [Sri Gading] : [Bangun]

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Silakan Yang Berhormat bagi Sri Gading.

Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Dr. Yusof bin Yacob]: Ya, Yang Berhormat bagi Sri Gading.

Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz [Sri Gading]: Bagi saya sudah tidak terkejut, Yang Berhormat bagi Parit Sulong, cerita ini… [Disampuk] Bukan soal biasa. Soalnya kenapa boleh berlaku seperti ini? Satu. Hari Raya yang lepas, saya diberitahu oleh seorang bapa, waktu Aidilfitri disambut, sekolah jenis-jenis ini tidak ditutup. Terima kasih.

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Bukan sahaja patung, tetapi Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat pergilah, tengoklah salib Kristian diletakkan di depan-depan sekolah. Saya tidak faham Kementerian Pelajaran, adakah pegawai-pegawai tidak nampak atau memang dasar kita membenarkan perkara ini. Walau bagaimanapun, saya sebagai orang yang bertanggungjawab kepada diri saya, agama, bangsa dan tanah air ini, saya menyatakan pendirian saya bahawa patung-patung ini hendaklah dirobohkan, salib-salib ini hendaklah dimusnahkan dan pengaruhpengaruh gereja di sekolah-sekolah ini hendaklah dihentikan.
Begitu juga dana yang dikumpulkan di sekolah-sekolah ini. Adakah kita mendapat laporan? Kalau boleh kementerian mendedahkan dana sekolah-sekolah ini. Saya difahamkan ada sekolah-sekolah ini juga ditaja oleh pihak-pihak gereja. Dana-dananya datang daripada gereja-gereja dan adakah pihak kementerian pantau sumber-sumbernya? Adakah audit-audit dilaksanakan?

and i received this from a forwarded email:

Below is the translation of the hansard at the Third Meeting of The Fourth Session of Eleventh Parliament (Dewan Rakyat) on Monday, 29 October 2007 as seen at http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-29102007.pdf – pages 143-144.

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Yang Di-Pertua, I would like to touch on a matter regarding the Ministry of Education, which are Christian missionary schools like Convent, La Salle, Methodist, and so forth. I was made to understand that the Board of Directors at these schools are partially administered by churches in foreign countries, for example in the Vatican City. I was also made to understand that the application to build a 'surau' in some of these schools had to go through the approval of these Board of Directors whereby they are partially administered by the church. Therefore, it shames me that the school administrations are still controlled by the church. I was also made to understand that many Muslim parents send their kids to these schools, and that they have complained that sometimes, the school is started with church songs. I do not know if this is true, but what I discovered from these parents are the display of religious symbols. I feel disappointed that in an Islamic country, Malaysia, if I go to a convent school, the statue of St. Mary is displayed in the front of the school.

Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz [Sri Gading]: [Stands up]

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Please proceed, Yang Berhormat for Sri Gading.

Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Dr. Yusof bin Yacob]: Yes, Yang Berhormat for Sri Gading.

Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz [Sri Gading]: I am not shocked at all, Yang Berhormat for Parit Sulong. It's not just a simple question. The question is, why has this happened? One. During the last Hari Raya, I was told by a father, when Aidilfitri was celebrated, these types of schools were not closed. Thank you.

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]: Not only statues, but fellow Yang Berhormat, go and see for yourselves, Christian crosses are displayed in front of schools. I do not understand the Ministry of Education, did the officers not see that, or is it our policy to allow such a thing? Nevertheless, I, as a responsible person to my religion, race, and country, I state my views that these statues need to be demolished, these crosses need to be destroyed and church influences in these schools need to be stopped. Also, the funds that are collected at these schools. Do we have a report? If possible, the ministry should reveal the funds for these schools. I was made to understand that these schools are also sponsored by the church.

Translation taken from:
http://www.darnmalaysia.com/2007/11/23/morons-of-parliament-demolish-christian-statues-destroy-the-crosses/

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nazri calls assembly attendees penyangak

November 27th, 2007
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aiyoo…some of my friends are now penyangak! my wife is now also penyangak! err…my dog too is penyangak? the professionals, group of singapore PRs, the chinese uncle, the taxi driver…all penyangak!!! oh my god, we have 20,000 crooks…police, what are you doing????

anyway, nazri accepts the figure 20,000 while police say some 4000-5000, MK says 30,000.

nazri sar, if the buses were not blocked, maybe can reach a higher figure. and if take into consideration all the govt staff threatened with sacking, plus those who are present in spirit to support their family members, friends, neighbors etc., we could be looking at 1 million people perhaps? oh ya…no forgetting our people in black and white.

in the end, samy vellu did say that nazri is a good person.

-"On Nazri comments yesterday that Devamany should quit the MIC, Samy Vellu said: “In parliament we can say so many things… Nazri is a good person. Sometimes he might say something but he may not mean it.”

'Gathering of crooks' hasn't tainted community's image
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/75339
Yoges Palaniappan
Nov 27, 07 4:37pm

The mammoth rally which saw about 30,000 Indians taking to the streets has not tarnished the government’s view of the community, said Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Nazri Abdul Aziz.

(crooks) who participated in the rally would not jeopardise our viewpoint of the entire community," he told a press conference at the Parliament lobby today.

"There were hundreds of thousands of Indians who did not participate in the rally. They stayed back and showed that they still support the government," he added.

He also questioned the rationale of the Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf), which aimed to submit a petition to the British High Commission.

Hindraf, which organised the rally, wanted to submit a petition to Queen Elizabeth II asking Her Majesty to appoint a Queen’s Counsel to represent the organisation in its class-action suit against the British government.

Baseless accusations 

"If they want to submit a petition or a memorandum, they should just send it to the Prime Minister's Department. There's no need for a street rally," said Nazri.

"All the allegations put forward by them (Hindraf) that Indians are marginalised are lies and nothing more than accusations," he said, adding that the government would trace those who are responsible for the gathering and charge them in court.

However, he denied the possibility of using the Internal Security Act (ISA) against the perpetrators.

"We will not use the ISA. If we do, they will fire back at us saying that we're using the law unnecessarily. But we will use other laws, and among the penalties could be prison sentence," he said.

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kit siang suggests parlimentary committee to investigate indian community problem

November 27th, 2007
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this can be one of the recommendations that MIC can make use. save their time trying to think what to suggest!

Lim: Don't ignore cry of desperation
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/75326
Nov 27, 07 1:41pm

If the cabinet is truly serious about addressing the long-standing grievances of the Indian Malaysian community, it should back a proposal for a parliamentary select committee. 

Parliamentary Opposition Leader Lim Kit Siang, who issued this call after earlier mooting the idea, said the ‘committee on the marginalisation of the Indian community’ should have three months to come up with a report.

He described the Hindraf rally in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday, which drew some 30,000 Indian protestors from all over the country, as a “cry of desperation”. 

The rally was in support of a US$4-trillion class-action suit filed against the British government for bringing the Indians here as indentured labourers and exploiting them for 150 years.

“The Barisan Nasional leaders, led by Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak, should stop their truculent and confrontational responses to the demonstration,” Lim said in a statement today.

“Instead of threatening all sorts of dire consequences against the Hindraf organisers and supporters, the cabinet should acknowledge the legitimacy of the long-standing grievances of the Indian community (which is) becoming the most marginalised group.”

Other ways of showing that the government is serious, he said, is by releasing all 136 Hindraf supporters arrested during the demonstration and not to charge the organisers. 

The government should also hold an open inquiry into allegations of excessive force by the police, which saw water cannon being deployed and teargas being fired during the six-hour stand-off with protesters. 

Urgent issues

In listing the issues that the select committee should address, Lim added that it should be sufficiently empowered to make recommendations on: 

  • Increase in the number of Indian youth dying in police custody
  • Worsening socio-economic inequality between the Indian poor and rich and between other communities
  • Ineffective redress of social ills in the community
  • Policy on financial allocation for Tamil schools
  • University intake policy, which is a major source of distress for the community
  • State unwillingness to help resolve the Maika scandal
  • Closure into the Kampung Medan killings, as a public inquiry has not been held into the racially-motivated incident of 2001
  • Low-cost housing needs of the Indian poor
  • Aggressive displacement of the Indian rural poor due to the breakdown of the plantation economy
  • Rampant demolition of Hindu temples and disregard of the religious rights and sensitivities of the Indian community

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I will hand over says samy

November 27th, 2007
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Samy Vellu unperturbed by Hindraf protest

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KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 27, 2007): MIC president Datuk Seri S.Samy Vellu today dismissed his community's biggest anti-government protest as an opposition ploy and denied he was out of touch with the increasingly agitated Indians.

Sunday (Nov 25)'s Hindraf (Hindu Rights Action Force) rally by more than 10,000 people, who defied water cannon and tear gas to protest racial discrimination, could pose a headache for the government ahead of early polls as Indians are traditionally seen as a vote-bank for the ruling coalition.

In an interview with Reuters, Samy, the combative head of the main ethnic Indian party and Malaysia's longest-serving minister, branded protesters as "trouble makers" and said he was not losing sleep over the bloody demonstration.

"We have fought worst battles than this during elections," the ebullient 71-year-old leader said.

"We don't worry about this. We are confident of winning the next elections handsomely," said Samy, the Works Minister and an architect by training.

"They (the protesters) are fighting to create problems. They are trouble makers," said Samy, dressed in a smart black suit and red tie, as he attended to a handful of Indians in his ministry. His luxurious Mercedes Benz was parked on the driveway.

He has been leader of the Malaysian Indian Congress (MIC) and a cabinet minister since 1979. MIC is a junior partner in Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's ruling coalition, which is set to call general elections in the next few months.

The Barisan Nasional (BN) coalition dominates the 219-seat parliament with 199 seats.

His friends regard Samy as the "champion of Indians" but foes say he stands in the way of solving the many socio-economic problems facing Malaysia's 1.8 million Indians.

The community, which forms just 7% of Malaysia's 26 million people, is in a parlous state, said a Hindu rights group which called the protest.

It said Indians lacked educational and business opportunities, adding that a government affirmative action policy in favour of majority Malays had marginalised them.

The Indians have always struggled to air their grouses openly. The community's economic clout is a scant 1.5% of national wealth and that too is in the hands of a few top businessmen.

UNFINISHED JOB

Many blame the MIC and Samy, known to some for his authoritarian style, for not quickly solving their woes.

And Sunday's protest, which attracted Indian doctors, lawyers and other professionals as well, could be an eye-opener to the BN, politicians said.

A senior leader of the United Malays National Organisation (Umno), the bulwark of the 14-party BN coalition, said BN should study the Indian grievances and try to overcome them.

"We have to look at the real issues, what is causing this unhappiness and I think BN has to pay attention to it," he said. Samy took the criticism in his stride.

"To me, I can throw the records on the floor on what I have done. I am not a man on the streets. I am a man on the job. There's always unfinished business." But he gave no hint when he would step down.

"I have been around for 29 years. At an appropriate time I will hand over." – Reuters

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Why I walked on Nov 25 by Geetha K 27/11

November 27th, 2007
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Why I walked on Nov 25
http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/75320
Geetha K
Nov 27, 07 12:31pm
Before the break of dawn on Sunday, I received a SMS informing me that thousands of Indians had gathered at the Batu Caves temple in Kuala Lumpur and truckloads of Federal Reserve Unit (FRU) personnel were also there. My blood chilled.

Debates on why I would walk and why I wouldn’t be walking became irrelevant. It was why I HAD to walk.

Around 8am, by the time I had arrived at the heart of all the excitement, scores of Indian men drenched by the water cannons were heading away from Jalan Ampang. It appeared that the authorities had started their peacekeeping duties very early.

People whizzed along on motorcycles, the police presence was overwhelming and the anxious protestors were mostly upbeat.

As I walked along Jalan Kia Peng, I experienced, for the first time, the stinging sensation of tear gas. Prior to this, little did I realise how painful and nauseating it would be. And this was not even a fresh blast. It made me wonder how I would handle being in the thick of things-if that were to happen.

And It happened, not too far away.

The lethal cocktails were fired liberally as people scurried about to escape the choking fumes. Between tears and dribbling saliva, I continued my march through the city’s business heartland.

Like all species subjected to constant persecution, the protesters too soon became immune to the warnings, threats and chemical attacks. They kept their resistance and played the game to the end. There was the Queen’s figurehead on one banner and numerous posters of Mahatma Gandhi – I couldn’t help smiling as I thought of how some of my more posh friends, Indians included, who would sneer at such imbecilic measures.

Leaderless, but not clueless

But back to the Great Indian March! The crowds were obviously leaderless but clueless they were not.

Eavesdropping on sporadic bits of random conversations was the best way to get into the pulse of this long suffering race. Something neither Nat Tan or Haris Ibrahim could have achieved, I assumed. But something both would have been proud to be part of.

When Haris did make an appearance (as a Bar Council observer, not a participant mind you), he was treated like some sort of a hero – going by the way a small crowd thronged towards him and his mates.

The clear embarrassment on the lawyer’s face was evidence of how desperate the crowd was.

I was gratified to learn that the protest was not about the money, the queen or even the world learning about their plight. It was simply an act of breaking the shackles, which was something the average Malaysian who had never experienced life as a marginalised, ignored, economically, educationally and socially deprived Indian, could understand.

Against the backdrop of the gleaming, iconic twin towers, thousands of Indians had gathered, a sight never witnessed by our nation’s capital before. The few women present were mostly middle-aged, dressed not in the least like the swanky Klites.

It was quite painful to stand there and watch these women being hauled up and pushed into police trucks, with a look of fear etched on their faces – not unlike stray dogs rounded-up by local council officers.

If this was the treatment meted out in public imagine what they must have faced back in the police stations.

Police and thief

Rows and rows of FRU personnel, plainclothes police officers, fire engines, dog units, red cross teams, low flying helicopters and thousands of defiant, I must say resilient, protesters played cat and mouse for a good six hours.

Some protestors even resorted to flinging the tear gas canisters back to where they came from, much to the shock of those who had fired them. This brought back childhood memories of playing police and thief, but this time around, it was not clear as to who were the good guys and bad guys.

At about 1.30pm, the march drew to an end with the appearance of P Uthayakumar who delivered a short, but stinging speech, declaring victory for the poor.

The poor, who he said have had their places of worship destroyed by the dozens, whose economic share had dwindled, whose number of vernacular schools had dropped, whose enrollment in institutes of higher learning had reduced and whose participation in the civil service had nosedived.

Now which other race in Malaysia could say the same? I would love to hear the PM’s answer on this, especially after his utterly lame response of ‘there are poor people amongst all races…”.

True, but which other race faces this much of marginalisation and discrimination?
Even more galling is the PM’s pledge to continue working with the MIC .

Are you Mister Prime Minister too stung and blinded by the overwhelming use of tear gas by your loyal faithfuls?

But really, why did I walk on Sunday? To compare events as they happened and as reported by the mainstream Malaysian media was one agenda of course.

I also did not want to be filled with questions and doubts when reading postings on the electronic media, which many members of our ruling elite accuse of being ‘full of lies’.

Nevertheless, the reason closest to my heart was simply to be there in flesh and spirit for my fellow Malaysians.

GEETHA K is a Kuala Lumpur-based freelance writer.

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