Posts Tagged ‘temples’

Ampang temple demolishment on national TV

September 29th, 2008
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Well, a temple being demolished seldom makes main news especially on TV. The last time that happened was in Padang Jawa, and we know what that led to. This time, the tables are turned, with MIC as accusers and the Pakatan Rakyat led state goverment on the defensive, being accused of condoning temple demolishment. Add to this statement from MP Zuraida, and you get accusations and counter-accusations. The story of the temple being demolished is covered here and here. In a nutshell:

1. Maha Kaliamman temple in Ampang demolished on 9th September, supposedly by officers from MPAJ, the local council.
2. An state EXCO, Ronnie Liu, told the next day that it was not ordered by the state government nor were they informed about it. The MPAJ president is overseas, so he is also in the dark.
3. MIC, Samy Vellu gets to hear about this two weeks after the demolishment, and one if its state youth leaders, make a police report. MIC accuses the state goverment of not being able to keep its promise.
4. Another EXCO, Xavier Jayakumar angers the community by saying that its a “shrine not a temple” and saying that its not registered. However, he clarified that no orders came from state government for demolishing the temple.
5. MP for Ampang, Zuraida says MIC trying to politicise the issue and says that it was demolished for renovation. This is in conflict with earlier statement by Xavier.
6. Temple committee chairman says not sure who reported the temple causing it to be demolished.

Let’s continue with what happened after those postings.

MIC quickly highlights the confusing statements by PKR leaders, condemning them as trying to mislead and confuse the community:

In a statement today, he said the conflicting claims indicated that the Selangor government was diverting public attention away from the fact that the temple was demolished by state authorities.

“We want the state government to come clean on the matter and expose who had authorised the demolition of the temple,” Samy said, adding that the outcome of any investigation ought to be made public.

NST reported that MIC wants the state government to make public the report of the temple demolishment since there are conflicting statements by the two leaders.

MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu said the conflicting statements showed that the state government had deceived the people over who was responsible for the demolition of the Sri Mahakaliamman temple on Sept 9.

“We want the state government to come clean on the matter and expose who had authorised the temple’s demolition,” he said in a statement.

Ampang MP Zuraida Kamaruddin had said that the temple’s committee members had demolished the temple for renovation work, while Selangor’s health, estate workers and caring government committee chairman Dr Xavier A. Jayakumar said it was the work of Ampang Jaya Municipal Council (MPAJ) enforcement officers.

“Who is telling the truth now? We demand an explanation,” Samy Vellu said.

MP Zuraida later issued another statement on the 28th saying that her initial one was misquoted. She was referring to her statement that the temple was demolished for renovation purposes. According to her, Murugiah, the temple chairman was in the process of doing minor renovation when the temple was demolished by MPAJ workers.

A part of her first statement is reproduced below:

 Hakikatnya, kuil tersebut telah dirobohkan pada 10 September untuk kerja pengubahsuaian bangunan dan dokumentasi. Pada 11 September, Ahli Majlis MPAJ En. Soorianarayanan dan En. Supiramany tampil untuk berbincang bersama Timbalan Yang di Pertua MPAJ untuk menyelesaikan isu prosedur pengurusan kuil tersebut. Kini pihak pengurusan kuil masih menunggu laporan dari pihak Majlis Perbandaran.

Menurut Pengerusi kuil En. Murugiah, masalah kuil ini iaitu tanpa dokumentasi sudah berlanjutan hampir 19 tahun, malah pernah dirobohkan sebanyak dua kali di bawah pentadbiran Barisan Nasional. Barisan Nasional telah membiarkan masalah kuil tersebut.

I’m not sure who wrote it, but its pretty clear that is says the the temple was demolished on 10th September for renovation work and documentatio.

Xavier Jayakumar later visited the temple and said that temple committee is equally at fault. He was also recorded on camera as saying that he talked to Zuraida and she had clarified that her earlier statement was misused.

The Sri Maha Kaliamman temple committee must share equal responsibility for the demolition of the temple, Selangor state executive councillor Dr A. Xavier Jayakumarare said.

Xavier said the temple was built on forest reserve land and the Ampang Jaya Municipal Council was right to take action.

He said, however, the council should have sought permission from the state government before demolishing the temple.

“The state government was not informed of this matter.

“According to our guidelines, local authorities must seek permission from the state executive council before demolishing any place of worship,” Xavier said after visiting the temple site at Kampung Tasik, Ampang yesterday.
He said the council had been directed to submit a report on the demolition but declined to say if disciplinary action would be taken against anyone.

Xavier said the temple committee chairman, S. Murugiah, had also been advised to write to the state government for approval before rebuilding the structure.

He also described the demolition as a small issue.

“This is a small issue compared with other more serious problems affecting the Indian community. Why don’t we look at the bigger picture?”

Ampang member of parliament Zuraida Kamaruddin has denied that she had said “temple committee workers had demolished the temple to carry out renovation works”.

Her political secretary, who was at the site yesterday, said Zuraida was “misquoted” by several newspapers on Saturday.

I still remember my friend telling that “small things will become big things if not handled”. It is wrong of Xavier to brush aside this as a small problem, because this incident is a symptom of disobedience by officers. This problem can easily manifest in other areas. Secondly, this incident is about religion. Anything to do with race and religion is never a small issue.

At the site also was MHS representative, who said that state government or local council must approach MHS before demolishing any temples. He said MHS will find a solution for these sort of problems. This incident can be avoided if MHS was involved.

its quite clear that MPAJ is involved. The next steps are clear – get a report out, investigate who/where/why it happened. Mete out punishment to the guilty party. Anything less than that means Pakatan Rakyat is also like BN. All talk, no action.

Xavier and Zuraida on Ampang temple demolition

September 26th, 2008
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Malaysiakini reports more details from the PR-led state government and a PR MP emerges. Earlier Ronnie Liu gave his points, and now we have Xavier (state EXCO) and Zuraida (MP for Ampang).

According to Xavier, the MPAJ ordered the demolition without the knowledge or directive of the state government. Secondly, the temple is not registered with the state council. He also tries to argue that it is not a temple but a shrine!!!! The size is immaterial. The issue is giving due respect. Don’t tell me can demolish a surau but not a mosque.

“We have a format prepared for temples in Selangor to register with the state but this temple was not on the list of registered temples. And it is not a temple, it is a shrine which it is located on a forest reserve,” he said.

Xavier also denied the accusation by MIC on PR breaking its promise. Instead he said MIC was trying to politicise the issue. (Well, what you expect a political party to do? Crazy fellow!). He says the focus is now to find a way to restore the temple. (OBVIOUSLY!).

“Pointing fingers at another is not going to solve the problem,” he said. “It was actually demolished in 2002 but the temple committee had it rebuilt when the opposition came into power March this year. But they failed to register it.”

So, giving failure to register as an excuse?

Ampang MP, Zuraida Kamaruddin adds more confusion by saying that its was probably a result of misunderstanding between the municipal authorities and the temple committee. How many times have we heard this kind of reasons? Why not just get rid of people who always misunderstand?

The incident happened following a misunderstanding between MPAJ and the temple management on renovation works and documentations relating to management procedures,” said Zuraida in a statement today.

According to Zuraida, some MPAJ councillors had already met with the council’s vice-chief to resolve the matter. Some documents have already been prepared and were under consideration, she added.

She also pointed out that (temple chairman) Murugiah had previously complained the temple’s problems had not been resolved by the previous Barisan Nasional state government even after 19 years.

Finally, Zuraida blasted the MIC for trying to take advantage of the current situation, accusing it of trying to create backlash for the Pakatan Rakyat government.“The component BN party is taking this opportunity to try and restore its organisation and their reports were made to attract attention,” she said.

But Malaysiakini noted that the MP never did explain how and why the temple was demolished. So, she beat around the bush, but could not answer the question.

Meanwhile, the temple’s chairman S Murugiah has demanded to know who was responsible for tearing down the temple. The 37-year old told Malaysiakini that he suspected someone had reported on the shrine and this had led to its demolition.

I also don’t understand the chairman’s comments. If its just documentation or registration problem, surely the MPAJ would have sent letter or warning first. Not straightaway demolish.

So, this is a peculiar case. Who authorised the demolition. Let’s wait for MPAJ boss to answer.

demolishment of temple in Ampang

September 26th, 2008
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According to Waytha, this was one of the temples that sparked HINDRAF into action. This particular Kaliamman temple in Kampung Tasik, Jalan Baru in Ampang was tried to be demolished a few times, and on 9th Sptember 2008 (two weeks ago), MPAJ officials demolished most of the temple. After that, I remember reading Selangor EXCO (can’t remember who) saying that the state government viewed this seriously and action will be taken against the officers because never consult with the councillors/committee/EXCO first.

Then, we have the following action from MIC:

Samy Vellu condemns the demolishment and took a swipe at the state goverment because it failed to uphold its promise not to demolish any temples. He said the state should have ordered the local council not to demolish it.

Well, I think the local council did not heed the state government ruling. So, we expect to see some heads to roll. Pakatan leaders must talk their words and get rid of such troublemakers in the local council. Having said that, let’s count how many officials were reprimanded or disciplined while MIC was in power via BN prior to this. Anyone with any figures?

Obviously its careless and an injustice to remove demolish the temple without relocating it first. so, stiff punishment is expected.

A very “fast” action from MIC is that after reading in the papers about the demolishment which happened two weeks ago, its Selangor Youth Chief went to make a police report. They are able to take action after two weeks, which is relatively fast, though not as fast as the old opposition. Looks like the opposition party MIC must be a bit more faster in the future and get news from the grassroots immediately.

While Samy is blaming the state goverment over the actions of the local council, I think this shows the lack of authority and cooperation between this two entities. Local councils come under the Housing and Local Government Ministry. If a new state government faces such disobedience from local council, just imagine what respect MIC got in the last decade from these councils. I guess DBKL, MPAJ etc. don’t even give face to MIC leaders, that’s why we had many cases of temple demolishment. So, we can say that MIC is powerless to stop this problem and its not their fault? And now when the new party takes over, same problem. So who is to blame? the local council, the state government or the federal government?

I remember the Selangor state government saying that no more places of worships will be demolished, and establishment of some committees (just like BN style). the EXCO in charge of local government, Ronnie Liu says:

Ronnie Liu, who is chairman of the state’s local government, study and research committee, said the state had issued a directive to all local councils to halt action against places of worship when it came into power but the officers defied the order.

He said that in taking the action last month the officers also bypassed the committee on non-Muslim affairs headed by state executive councillors Teresa Kok, Dr Xavier Jayakumar and himself.

“I contacted the council president a day after the incident and asked him to investigate the matter and identify those involved,” he said.

“I was told that he has submitted a preliminary report to my office but I have not read it since I am away in China now so it would be unfair for me to comment further.”

Liu had said a day after the incident that he was upset with the council officers’ actions and threatened that they would face stiff action.

A day after the incident. Not two weeks.

more details on missing temples in KL City Plan 2020

August 21st, 2008
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Malaysiakini provided more details on the removal of temples and crematoriums from KL Master Plan 2020 draft as highlighted by MHS yesterday. Some pertinent details of the article are reproduced below:

Vaithilingam also queried whether the move by DBKL was a plot to remove the religious sites by year 2020.

“What is of great concern to the community leaders is whether there is a plan to erase off hundreds of Hindu temples and the two crematoriums situated at Jalan Loke Yew and Sentul by the year 2020,” he said.

“When the issue rose in the meeting, many realised that their temples were not identified in the plan.

“But before we proceed with anything, the temples and crematoriums have to find out whether they are listed or not,” he said when contacted by Malaysiakini.

“Then they will have to submit protest forms to DBKL and from then on we will seek clarification on the matter from the Federal Territories Minister,” he said.

According to Vaithilingam, MHS organised a special meeting with more than 120 temple representatives on Aug 19 to bring this issue to the attention of the various temple associations that were involved.

Asked the reason for not probing the ministry earlier, Vaithilingam said that the temples were informed of the situation but did not take the matter with immediate importance.

“The temples are not bothered until the DBKL officer is in front of the temple to break it down,” he added.

Besides the crematoriums, some of the temples that are not listed in the 13-year plan are several prominent temples like the Hanuman and Krishna temples in Brickfields and Sri Nageswari Amman temple in Bangsar which celebrated its 40th anniversary recently.

Vaithilingam warned that the related authorities have to identify the location of their respective temples as soon as possible and put forward a protest form which is obtainable from DBKL and Hindu Sangam.

The deadline for the submission of these forms to the DBKL authorities is Aug 30.

“From here we will have to have discussion with the authorities and decide whether the temples will be allowed to exist or will it be provided with suitable alternatives,” said Vaithilingam.

It is stated that the temples have to send the protest form by August 30th. If the reply from DBKL says that they are listed and the plan is updated, no problem. If not, Deputy Minister Saravanan going to have a very hard time.

No Temple Demolishment in KL Guarantee

July 10th, 2008
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This is indeed great news! However, words can be easily spoken but action is harder to implement. Not sure if Saravanan’s words carry any weight with the DBKL. There’s a committee which includes MHS and MIC which meets DBKL people on issues involving temples. I wonder if the deputy minister is referring to this committee when he meant by new policy.

According to Saravanan, temples will be relocated instead of demolishment:

We will offer an alternative piece of land to relocate temples affected by development

He gave an example of an area in Klang Valley with eight temples located in a small lane, which were affected by development work.

We gave them a piece of land to relocate and it is up to the temples’ authorities whether to build a large temple or maintain the eight at the new site

Saravanan also said that DBKL will not encourage (not allow?) new temples to be set up.

I hope they can start by settling the issue at Kampung Pandan Indian Settlement.

One can only wonder if this new policy is due to HINDRAF effect or MIC’s persuasion. No prizes for guessing the answer.