Can some pro MIC person explain what has been done for the Indians in Malaysia to come up?

I’ve never cheered for anything done by MIC, so just wondering if I had missed out on anything in my growing up years. :s

Thank you in advance.

Dear InFullSuport,

I don’t think so any pro MIC will ellaborate in specific details what MIC has done and achieve for Malaysian Indian. Simply because, it will create disatisfaction to other races in Malaysia to know so much things has been done for the Indians knowing the fact that they only 8% of the population. You’re not close to your community, to your leader, to the party that represent Indian interest in Malayia, be close to know the detail. What wrong with them, that many Indian prejudice towards MIC. I don’t know, maybe you all are not united and selfish. Maybe you all like to get excited to have Tamil hero like Hindraf key leaders. Maybe you all like to be “Menang Sorak Kampung Tergadai” !

ramya74,

Hope you noticed that meritocracy had been implemented for several years already.

Re: oppositions, they’re too SELFISH to think objectively for the entire nation – they’re effective to continue sit on the opposition bench at Parliment.

They have yet to bring & show Malaysians something smart that involves the entire Nation & not just their only Tiny Little SELFISH agenda.

So, as far as the Current set of OLD-style politicking oppositions (ie. ONLY Using Sensitive issues like race & religion), they would simply be like “Berok Dapat Bunga” if they ever won bigger in Malaysia!.. Greedily open up to MORE Selfish Outsiders who knows NOTHING about Our “Family Way” of handling issues.

Until a professional & NOT emotional opposition party comes up, Barisan Nasional is still Malaysia’s best bet! As it has proven to ALL Malaysians for more than FIFTY YEARS already.

ajax,

The Malay civilizations are not Indian. After many failed attempts, the Cholas from India only managed to capture Kedah for 20 years (I think in 800 something AD)! & that is about it.
The rest were all locals/Malay of this Nusantara Area (Malay Peninsular, Indo-China (ie.Southern Thai, South-East Myanmar, Kemboja, Laos, Vietnam); & the islands around (ie. Philippines & Indonesia)).

The Malays were influenced by the Indian ways thru religion (Buddhism – since 500AD in Palembang), just like how they were influenced by the Arabs’ ways/words (since 1100AD in Acheh).
Tun Dr. M is half Malay, half-mamak (Indian Muslim).

John,

You’re very right!

Prakash,

Yes, until the SELFISH oppositions are smart & think of other issues Besides race & religion, then, they’d have a chance!..
& Yes, the whole world is watching how ridiculously unbelievable hindraf is.

Tuah67,

Good points!
& Edwin, mind your own business – it’s worse in India & Sri Lanka.

Mahatri,

Estate workers were placed far away as the Rubber Plantations were far away. It was during the British era that the Indian coolies were oppressed & suppressed in there.

In the ’40/’50s, after WW2, many Indians left the estates & mingle FREELY with the kampung folks, ie. the Malays &, being accepted as Humans.. not like when they were in India.

Please have your Facts & Timelibe correct!!

Pablo,

True, I like your posting that I’m quoting it again:

“pablo Says:
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
pls for god sake stop all these nonsense and concentrate on ur work..to all indians pls stop being so racist..i wont believe saying that if a malay settled in india he will be getting the same treatment.if u say yes.its bullshit.

another thing is even indians in mainland is not united..tamil,malayalee,punjabi,telugu..they are not united…we are getting a good life here…dont believe hindraf..they are simply using this matter for next election..believe me my dear indians…Malaysia is our country…stop asking from govt and try to make ur own living..

im a pure hindu and pls dont be stupid to migle to issues together..temple and discrimination..where do we stand now?why we are not rich?because malay abuse?nope..because we prefer to watch tamil movies rather than go to work or study..this is wat happenning to this cheap community..indians are rich everwhere in the world…except Malaysia…not because malay abuse…but because you ppl are lazy..dont talk to other race..look in urself..

My dear indians,stop being racist and pls catch all the indians who make problem and really send them back to india(indian govt also wont accept them).pls send them to seycelles.

Thank you”.

Thank you & Peace, “Gandhi”.

Hi Killer,

Bring it on. I am open for debate. Lets debate…..
🙂

MP: Edited.

RESPECT THE LAW AND SYSTEM.
SEE BACK YER ROOTS AND WHERE ARE YOU CAME FROM!
GO BACK HOME! GO BACK TO YOUR GRANDPAPA COUNTRY!
THIS IS “TANAH MELAYU” @ MALAYLAND OF MALAYPOWER!
I DECLARE A WAR! HINDRAF IS A STUPID MORON OF NGO!
I LOVE MALAYSIA. AND MALAYSIA IS BELONG TO ME!
**** YER MEMORANDUM! **** YER PROPAGANDA!
THIS IS WHAT I CALL “MALAYSIA IS MALAYPOWER RIGHT!
REMEMBER YOU ARE STILL IN MALAYSIA!
DON’T SPREAD THE ****** RACIST IDEALOGY IN MY BELOVED COUNTRY!
JUST KEEP THE HINDRAF IN INTERNAL SECURITY ACT!
**** hindraf! **** YOUR REVOLUTION!

Lets serve the country, for betterment of our lovely country. Hence, we can contribute through active participation in our community, in NGO, in political party, in Goverment, in Religion Organization, but not in illegal and violent demo, not through petition to foreign country inviting them to intervene. Lets put forward proposal of People Equality Fund (PEF) to Goverment. Lets put our ideas, positive ideas, all possible weaknesses that we can turn to strength. No more cursing, racial and personal attack. Lets put it to stop, turn our own weaknesses to strength. Our disatisfaction and frustration into good proposal for benefits of all marginalised people.

cheers !!!

Mahatri,

Correction/typo error: “Please have your Facts & Timeli’N’e correct!!”.

Peace, “Gandhi”.

Dear Nuke,

You are so naive and too emotional. Understand the geopolitic of Malaysia, learn history, analysed numbers in broader perspectives. Its pointless debating with you on religion ground, you will not understand, the same as I don’t understand why you have so many GODs in so many forms of figures. Shall we go on questioning others religious believe. It will never end. I’ve turn 360% not just turn back. The facts that you divert your points of arguments shows how naive you are as Malaysian. As I said those are Social Contract agreed at that point of time. If Malaysian felt now the time to change, then so be it, but it has to be collectives agreement. It has to be table in Parlimen. Do you know how many Malay race reps in Parlimen, do you think they will vote for changes. They will only consider to uplift the previlage if majority malays are in support to that idea. So be polite with fellow Malaysian Malay, be respectfull to their plight too, they are the majority, what else you want to argue. World are rule by numbers, democracy depend on numbers of votes. No matter how loud, how rude, how gangster you are, the fact remains.

http://www.policewatchmalaysia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1196676392&archive=&start_from=&ucat=9&

pls view ths webpage and see how cheap is the government which has dominated the media to publish irrelevant news.this is malaysian government!we are shame on you!for those who are saying that ‘hindraf’s action is violence and forming racial issues’ , than what about government which dominate even media to gain sympathy? malaysian government, if you had done something good for us, we are ready to praise you anytime.dont put your self so cheap till willing to corrupt people to say good about you and critise hindraf.we had no approach to listening people praise about hindraf.in your point of view, hindraf tend to be violent in order to voice out its rights.if we are considered violence, than what about you? (government)?WE ARE REALY SHAME ON YOU.JUST THINK BACK ON WHAT YOU ARE DOING.YOUR INNER HEART WILL SAY THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS TRULY BAD AND DISCRIMINATING .IT SEEMS THAT YOU REALISE THAT OUR PETITION IS WORTH.BUT YOU ARE SCARED TO LOOSE YOUR ‘MAJORITY RIGHTS’ EQUALLY TO US (INDIANS).OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN’T TOOK ANY ATTEMPT TO 1. STOP US FROM GATHERING AT THE PEACEFULL ASSEMBLY
2. TURNED THE PEACEFULL GATHERING INTO VIOLENCE
SIMPLY BY USING TEAR GASSES.
3. CRITISE HINDRAF AND ALERT ALL THE WHILE TO RELATE
ANY INCIDENT OCCURING AROUND AND TO PUT THE BLAME
ON HINDRAF.
4. AND NOW USING THE MEDIA TO JUSTIFY YOUR STAND.

HUMBLE REQUEST TO YOU, MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT – PLS DONT MISSUSE THE MONEY TO CORRUPT PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GAIN SYMPATY AND POPULARITY THUS TO WIN IN THE COMING ELECTION.THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE STRIVING FROM OBTAINING EVEN BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE.USE THE MONEY THERE AT LEAST TO FULLFILL THEIR BASIC NEED OF LIFE.THERE IS NOTHING FOR US(MALAYSIAN INDIANS) TO WORRY.OUR APPEAL HAS BEEN MADE.AND YOU (GOVERNMENT KNEW THAT YOU WASN’T BEEN FAIR TO US FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS).LETS THE SUPREME (GOD) TO JUDGE.I PROFOUNDLY BELEIVES THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU (GOVERNMENT)DID, DOING AND PLANNING TO DO IN FUTURE, “do remember that god will always helps the holly hearts and not for cruels like you.god is great.wait and see.

Valgha Hindraf !!

I support Vaneela …,

Hi Malay Power, WHO ARE YOU ?
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHASE US TO INDIA.
I AM ASKING WHO ARE YOU FIRST OF ALL ?????
OMG YOU WANT TO DECLARE WAR ?????

Hie come on lah , who think yourself what???

You love Malaysia & it belongs to you .
If so keep it to yourself no need to kepoh in this Blog.

PLEASE DONT COMMENT ALL THIS NONSENCE HERE !!

THANKS

tuah67,

You have proof that Ke-Tuanan melayu exist. You have said the people in parliment are Malays? And why is this because Malay want to rule. And why are you question hindu’s God which we have diffrend forms. You need to go back and study teh history my friend. Perhaphs stop telling other people to go back and study might be better if you start to study the history of hindu and the history of islam. Hindu does not have any restriction as how Islam has. I don’t wish to debate with you either as you are againts HINDRAF and who ever supports them. If the HINDRAF is a big lie…. lets so be it.. We rather die than being a marginalized by Malays.On last thing ….the kampung medan incident… why there is no report being publish until now? Malays will talk talk talk talk and will never enough even if the entire world help.

Crzy Nuke,

Some food for thought …

I have received a comment from a fellow blogger @ pardeshi babu whom I believe to be an Indian National who has forwarded to me this article reproduced below in full which speaks about a ‘zillion reasons to escape from India’.

As a strong believer in listening to all sides when discussing an issue as important as the current state of affairs regarding the social upheaval taking place amongst our Malaysian Indian grassroots community, I hereby am sharing with you, my reader this letter unedited in content save for some correction of grammar and as it is for your reading pleasure and consideration.

This letter speaks about the actual scenario for Indians there in India’s State of Tamil Nadu and it touches on statistics, actualities and also the role of one of HINDRAF’s main leaders in the movement that has been and is promoting the goals and objectives of the RSS.

My respected fellow blogger and Malaysian politician Datuk Ron has also published this same letter in his blog.

We know that to be fair in sharing articles and viewpoints from all relevant sources, we must do our bit to let others get first hand information from differing views from within the nation and also as in this case from the Republic of India.

Being a global brotherhood and sisterhood of citizen journalism of Bloggers, we share what we deem to be of importance to all others who have it in them to do a spot of critical thinking and general assessment of socio-political-religious issues such as this.

A balanced and fair minded person who gets to learn about both sides of an issue will be able to exercise better judgment when it comes to making a stand or choice on such matters. May commonsense and rational thinking be the end result.

So, pardeshi babu, here’s fulfilling your wish.

Wonder if this particular letter would find it’s way to Malaysiakini?

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An open letter to Malaysian Indians
I stand against any discrimination of any human being in any parts of the world. But when it comes to HINDRAF outrage in Malaysia there are some questions one should ask to Hindu Rights Action Force officials?

As an Indian, I believe ethnic Indians in Malaysia, still enjoy more rights than Indian citizens who are living in their own country.

Since the living standards of Malaysia is far much higher than in India, I agree that Hindus in Malaysia need a better deal.

As a community with migrant history, the majority of Malaysian Indians are Hindus while it also includes a minuscule Muslim, Christian and Sikh presence. The so called “Indian” heritage in Malaysia cannot be limited with just the Hindu minority in Malaysia.

Unlike Malaysia, discrimination against Indian citizens in India have a multitude of factors.

One is religion and the other is the caste factor.

After the British left in August 1947, the higher caste Hindu elite, has been effectively ruling the Indian nation for the past sixty years.

According to the Indian census of 2001, the total population was 1.028 billion.

Hindus numbered 827 million or 80.5 %.

About 25 per cent (24 million) of those Hindus belong to Scheduled Castes and Tribes.
About 40 per cent (400 million) are “Other Backward Castes”.

15 per cent belonging to the three upper castes.

Dominant group of Hindu nationalists come from the three upper castes who constitute about 10 per cent of the total Indian population but control the civil service and economy of India.

And thus the caste system virtually leaves lower caste Hindus in India to be an oppressed minority.
Considering the media manipulation techniques, time line and nature of the Hindu outrage in Malaysia, there are many reasons to believe that HINDRAF and Uthayakumar are closely associated with the RSS, a Hindu Taliban who have already spoiled India’s social fabric with fascist propaganda and communal riots.

RSS is the Hindu-supremacist organization that has fueled a rise in anti-Dalit, anti-Muslim, anti-Christian and anti-Sikh violence.

The former ruling party, the BJP is the political arm of the RSS and helped fascism to spread across the civil, defence and educational streams of the society.

The caste system and the fact that the government machinery is basically controlled by this Hindu-centric group means that violence against victims largely goes unpunished.

The man who killed Mahatma Gandhi in January 1948 for seeking conciliation with Minorities Nathuram Vinayak Godse, at one time belonged to the RSS.

That’s part of the Sangh’s legacy. And it has not only spawned the VHP, but numerous other radical organizations backing the RSS, notably the Shiv Sena (Shiva’s Army) party of Bal Thackeray, a self-declared Hitler fan.”

In the year 2005 alone, according to National Crime Records Bureau, 1,822,602 riots were reported in India.

Since Indian community issues in Malaysia is considered as a ‘Minority vs majority’ issue, let us compare the statistics of the Indian Muslims in India itself. Unlike Malaysian Hindus, Indian Muslims have not arrived from outside.

Recently, Justice Rajinder Sachar Committee report admitted that 138 Million Muslims across India are severely under-represented in government employment, including PSUs.

Ironically, West Bengal, a communist ruled state reported 0 (zero) percent of Muslims in higher positions in its PSUs.

A Muslim child attends school for three years and four months, compared to the national average of four years.

Less than two percent of the students at the elite Indian Institute of Technology comprise of the Muslim community.

Malaysian Indians are not the original inhabitants of the country, Indian Muslims are from the same racial and ethnic groups as their compatriots. And still they face discrimination in the world’s largest democracy called India. (Ref. Indian Express, The Missing Muslims)

Let us not forget the fact that, Malaysia’s ethnic Indians are mostly from the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, an impoverished land lagging with illiteracy and feudalism followed by Delhi’s north favored rule.

The traditional Hindu caste system compelled caste minorities to move even to Sri Lanka, where they are now in war with their own hosts, Sinhalese.

Do Tamil community in Malaysia want to do the same rebellion to their own host in Malaysia, the Malays?

Now, Indian workers form the third largest foreign work force in Malaysia, with 140,000 of them seeking out a living there.

Most of this migrant workers are the relatives of ethnic Indians who comprise 7% of Malaysia’s population of around 24 million.

By falsely claiming of “Ethnic cleansing against Hindus in Malaysia” , HINDRAF officials are working against the interests of India’s peaceful migrant community around the world.

Every year, more than 1 million Indian citizens leave their country to build better life.

Indians form about half of the 2.6 million expatriate workers in the United Arab Emirates’ private sector.

Migrated Hindus from India constitutes 1 million or 0.4 per cent of US population now. They have built around 1,000 Hindu temples throughout the US.

Now, what makes people move out of India?

Here are some Indian facts:

India accounts for 40 per cent of the world’s poor and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world.
Almost half of Indian women are still illiterate;

About 40 million primary school-age children are not in school.

India ranks way down at 96 among 119 developing countries included in the Global Hunger Index (GHI). [Ref: IFPRI Country Report on India
In India, 16 percent of the population still remains and live with out having sustainable access to improved water resources

and there is a probability at birth for 15.3 percent of the population of not surviving to the age of 40.
34.7 percent of the Indian population live with an income below $ 1 a day and 79.9 percent below $ 2 a day.

According to the India’s planning commission report 26.1 percent of the populations live below the poverty line.
About 20 per cent, or 200 million, are religious minorities.

Muslims constitute 138 million or 13.4 per cent,
Christians 24 million or 2.3 per cent,

Sikhs 19 million or 2 per cent,

Buddhists 8 million or 0.8 per cent

and Jains 4 million or 0.4 per cent.

“Others” numbered 6.6 million or 0.6 per cent.

Christians provided education at all levels to other religious groups without prosyletisation. According to Tahir Mahmoud, an Indian Muslim journalist, “The 2.3 per cent Christians in the Indian population cater to 20 per cent of all primary education in India, 10 per cent of all the literacy and community health care, 25 per cent of all existing care of destitute and orphans, 30 per cent of all the handicapped, lepers and AIDS patients etc”.
According to the National Human Rights Commission, as on 30th June 2004, there were 3,32,112 prisoners in Indian jails out of which 2,39,146 were under trial prisoners. That’s more than 70 per cent.

India’s jails hold a disproportionate number of the country’s minority Muslims, a sign of discrimination and alienation from the Hindu majority.

Prison statistics of Indian Jails can be seen from National Crime Record Bureau, here

Hindu upper caste men, who constitute just eight per cent of the total population of India, hold over 70 per cent of the key posts across newsrooms in the country.

The so-called twice-born Hindu castes dominate 85 per cent key posts despite constituting just 16 per cent of the total population, while the intermediary castes a represent meager three per cent.

The Hindu Other Backward Class groups, who are 34 per cent of the total population, have a share of just four per cent in the Indian newsrooms.

Muslims, who constitute about 13 per cent of the population, control just 4 per cent top posts while Christians and Sikhs have a slightly better representation.

But the worst scenario emerges in the case of Scheduled Castes (SCs) and Scheduled Tribes (STs) : Based on CSDS study, 2006. Ref : The Hindu, June 05, 2006

India’s subordinate courts have a backlog of over 22 million cases while the 21 high courts and the Supreme Court have 3.5 million and 32,000 pending cases (2006)

There were 13 judges for every million people. Merely 7.8% Muslim employees working in Judicial sector of 12 high-Muslim population states surveyed by Sachar Panel.

According to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, India has the highest number of street children in the world.

There are no exact numbers, but conservative estimates suggest that about 18 million children live and labor in the streets of India’s urban centers.

Mumbai, Delhi and Calcutta each have an estimated street-children population of over 100,000.

The level of child malnutrition in India is among the highest in the world, higher even than some countries in sub-Saharan Africa, says the report ‘Extent of Chronic Hunger and Malnutrition in India’ by the UN’s special rapporteur on the right to food (2006).

Australia earned about 500 million Australian dollars from the export of educational services to India, when 93% of Indians never progress beyond secondary school!

Nearly nine out of 10 pregnant women aged between 15 and 49 years suffer from malnutrition and about half of all children (47%) under-five suffer from underweight and 21 percent of the populations are undernourished.

India alone has more undernourished people (204 million) than all of sub-Saharan Africa combined.

Nearly 20 percent of women dying in childbirth around the globe are Indians.

Six out of every 10 births take place at home and untrained people attend more than half of them. 44 per cent of the Indian girls were married before they reached the age of 18.

It added, 16 per cent of girls in the age group 15-19 years were already mothers or expecting their first child and that pregnancy is the leading cause of mortality in this age group.

According to the 2001 census, female literacy in India is 54.16 per cent against male literacy of 75.85 per cent.

Most of the working women remain outside the organised sector: A mere 2.3 per cent women are administrators and managers, and 20.5 per cent professional and technical workers.

Women to men ratio was feared to reach 20:80 by the year 2020 as female fetus killing is rampant.

Ten million girls have been killed by their parents in India in the past 20 years, either before they were born or immediately after, told Indian Minister for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury to Reuters.

According to the 2001 census, the national sex ratio was 933 girls to 1,000 boys, while in the worst-affected northern state of Punjab, it was 798 girls to 1,000 boys. The availability of ultrasound sex-determination tests leads to such mass killings in India.

Out of the 593 districts in India, 378 or 62.5 % are affected by human trafficking. In 2006, United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) sponsored study by Shakti Vahini, found that domestic violence, illiteracy, unemployment, poverty, unsafe migration and child marriage are the major reasons for the increasing rate of illegal human trafficking.

95 % of the women in Madhya Pradesh in commercial sex are due to family traditions. So are 51.79 percent in Bihar,’ said the study.

While 43 percent of the total women trafficked are minors, 44 percent of the women are into flesh trade due to poverty. Of the total women who are into sex work in the country, 60 % are from the lower and backward class, which indicates the pathetic living condition of the communities.

In Madhya Pradesh, a political bastion of Hindu right wing party, 96.7 % of the women sex workers are from the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes.

There are an estimated 40 million Hindu widows in India, the least fortunate of them shunned and stripped of the life they lived when they were married.

It’s believed that 15,000 widows live on the streets of Vrindavan, a city of about 55,000 in northern India.

India has 4 million prostitutes nationwide and 60% of the prostitutes are from the Scheduled Castes and Tribes or other backward caste.

UNAIDS says over 38% of those living with HIV in India are women.

Crime-politics nexus also influences the democracy in India. Most of the ministers in elected democratic governments are from criminal background.

They are entering into the political arena, influencing the decision-making at the highest level in their own favor and thereby increasing corruption through patron-client relationship.

The reason for this pervasive political corruption, in spite of five decades of democracy, is because we, in India, do not elect representatives but patrons.

The rich and the avaricious as well as the poor and the stricken, vote on this principle.

Lack of transparency within the bureaucracy is also another important factor responsible for promoting public corruption.

Upper caste Hindus — that is, Brahmins, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas — constitute less than 20 per cent of the Indian population but controls the business and civil service sector of the country.

They claim perhaps 80 per cent of the jobs in the new economy, in sectors such as software, biotechnology, and hotel management.

According to the National Crime Records Bureau, only 31 per cent criminal trials are completed in less than a year. Some take even more than 10 years.

According to its study, Crime in India 2002, nearly 220,000 cases took more than 3 years to reach court, and about 25,600 exhausted 10 years before they were completed.

The term of the Liberhan Commission, formed 14 years ago to probe the demolition of the Babri mosque in Ayodhya and originally given a mandate of three months, has been extended again!

We are alarmed by the fact that even after 50 plus years of survival after independence from Britain,

every hour 2 Dalits are assaulted,

every day 3 Dalit women are raped,

everyday 2 Dalits are murdered,

everyday 2 Dalit houses are burnt down.
When it comes to Human Rights issues in India, it is not ratified the Convention against Torture, its citizens do not have the opportunity to find recourse in remedies that are available under international law.

The victims are trapped with the local Hindu caste system, which in every aspect militates against their rights.

Many victims conclude that a justice system accessible to the poor of the land does not exist at all.

The Human Development Report for 2007-08 released by the UNDP ranked India 128 out of 177 countries, working it out through measures of life expectancy, education and income.

Malaysia ranked 63 and listed at under High Human Development category.

The report found that India’s GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) is $3,452, far below Malaysia’s $10,882. Read the statistics from UNDP website

Since 1998 about 25 000 Indian farmers have committed suicide because they could not repay their debts.

These debts, however, have largely accumulated because these farmers were severely overcharged by their money-lenders asking for up to 32% of interest.

Do the ethnic Indians in Malaysia want to come back to India?

I bet none of them will come back to this sinking ship called, India.

Instead of asking for more rights they should come out of their caste system and narrowness.

Let them learn to respect their hosts, the Malaysian people who provided better opportunities than their “Shining India”.

Only such an attitude and kindness will bring them prosperity. Let them not forget the millions of impoverished Indian citizens living in their own country.

Read more about Our Shining India at here

Remember that India, as a country cannot offer you food or job.

Tamil politicians are people with Dravidian origin and they have limited say in the controle of India’s central government which is ruled by majority Aryans.

TamilNadu is the bastion of opposing imposition of north Indian rule and its Hindi language in its territories.

South Indians mostly consider English as their national language than Hindi.

This north and south division has a long history in India and will continue to go on for ages, as long as people in India continue to remain emotionally myopic, narrow minded and accepting of propaganda and social myths.

In 1965, after a 15 year gap, Hindi was declared as the solitary national language of India.

This led to violent protests in Tamil Nadu and so many deaths of Tamilians.

The Hindu nationalist movement grew up in the 1920s with the establishment of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS )

The RSS gradually established a network of local branches that met daily for training sessions on martial arts, with ideological sermons making Indian identity synonymous with Hindu culture helped along by the motto “Hindu, Hindi, Hindustan” (one people, one language, one country).

In 1996, Inspired by Hindu myths, a Marathi Hindu mafia leader called Bal Thackeray floated ‘Shiv Sena’ a political party to drive out south Indians from the industrial city of Bombay.

Shiv Sena means Army of Shiva, ( referring to Hindu King, Shivaji) succeeded in its aim with the help of Hindu militants who unleashed several communal riots in the city.

In 1991, a Tamil Tiger suicide bomber killed India’s Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi ( A north Indian brahmin with aryan heritage) at an election rally outside Chennai. Those scars against Tamils are still run deep in north India, especially in a government dominated by Gandhi’s Italian-born widow Sonia.

When it comes to recording Indian history, the north of the country often ignores or overlooks events in the south. Tamils consider Vellore revolt is the first organized revolt against British in India, while Delhi officially consider it started with Sepoy Mutiny of 1857. Unlike north Indian Hindus, Tamils consider Lord Rama as the villain and Ravana as the hero. In such many ways, Tamil history and politics are in contradiction with India’s official version, which is in fact authored and promoted by Aryan north. The division within India’s caste maniacs are so deep and it cannot overcome to help anyone outside their circle.

Mr. P. Waytha Moorthy, the Chairman of Hindu Right Action Force in fact is the Malaysian representative of global ‘Hindutva’ alliance called Vishva Hindu Parishat.

He also works with RSS controlled Hindu charity institutions like Hindu America Foundation and UK based SEWA International.

Both of these organizations were involved in funding anti minority riots in India.

Hiring such a hate monger and ardent admirer of Aryan Hindu supremacy to solve issues of Malaysian Indians who are basically of dravidian origin will back fire soon.

Instead, Tamil Hindus should make way for peaceful dialogue with Malay organizations and concentrate more of their efforts for caste and poverty eradication.

The thoughts of Thanthai Periyar E.V. Ramaswamy should be their guide light, than the false propaganda war initiated by Hindutva and its militant mafia gang, RSS.

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2 Comments

1
Dindage Says:
The assassination of Rajiv Gandhi, was carried out by Tamil terrorists from Sri Lanka while they are on visit in India. It proves that many Tamils don’t deserve a life in a peaceful country like Sri Lanka or Malaysia. The official records of Tamil Nadu Police Report also reveals this fact. In 2006, there was 1273 murders, 89 murder for gain, 95 dacoity, 450 robbery, 3300 burglary, 13651 theft. The total crimes reported was 18858!

Read it here http://www.tn.gov.in/police/cprof.htm

2 As a Sri Lankan Sinhalese, I would ask my Malay friends to be very careful about this HINDRAF movement. They can get foreign support to harm your country from weapon producing nations. In early stages, Tamil Tigers received support from Israel and India. Now, we are fighting them with the support of the same countries because we buy weapons from them! Sri Lanka was very prosperous country before Tamils started problem here

Looks like the problem getting more delicate .. Hindraf is sure for something worse than bad, please don’t support Hindraf, support your Indian based political party and let them fight for you, for real prosperity rather than misconstrued fight with Hindraf ! you all are just 8%, stay united than you all have better chances !

dear MALAY POWER!
Since your malay nation is so powerful, why dun you ask your army to invade China?? I am from China, Yunnan and have been looking at this Malaysian blog wif interest as my frenz are in Malaysia now and they gave me this hyperlink which is very funny. I hope Malay-Sia is very powerful and can stand up to USA, China or India but looks like the malay govt is showing off that your nation is above the law when you treat your chinese and indian people. I have many-many indian friends around the world is looking at your racist treatment of other races in Malaysia and for the last time i beg you and your malay triads not to bully the chinese, otherwise we will do the same to you when you meet up with our chinese brothers residing in other countries. Please be considerate and do not bully other races anymore and stop showing off your so call majority….Malaysians are only 27 million people while in China, we have 1 billion people and in india our indian frenz outnumber your malay people by 700 million. So, please do not behave like big brother in Malaysia. Also be careful with your racist remarks. Terima Kasih.

MP: edited. errr…macam mana hang nak kenal siapa yang rasa pedas? tengok apa ye?

Ingat2 sikit india ***** yang suka kecoh2, jangan sampai 13 mei jadi balik, kami masih bersabar, tapi kalau dah pijak kepala kami, tungggggggggggggguuu akibat nya.. ingat pesanan ini ditujukan kepada india **** sahaja di malaysia, siapa makan cili rasa pedas.

tuah67

Please stop forwarding and write something from your own. It show how stupit to utilise the blog by mass upload of forwarding message.So if you want to say something please write you own!

The message is loud and clear… for Malaysia to truly prosper and be more united, the first step is to get rid of self-serving corrupt politicians. They have manipulated Mr. and Mrs Average Malaysian for far too long. It makes no sense that a country like Malaysia with all its natural resources (including a pool of highly educated invididuals that are migrating to other countries) should lag behind so much economically. Corruption is a root cause of many of the problems in our country. This is not merely a Malay, or Indian. or Chinese problem. It affects us all in one way or another. We cannot afford to lose foreign investment opportunities. It is time for Malaysians to say enough is enough. Do we want the next generation and the following ones to lag behind the rest of the world?

Dear Ivan Hamilton

I am someone who is far more knowledgeable abt India than you are about Malaysia.

It doesn’t matter how many billionaires India has. For a country of 1.2 Billion, having 25 billionaires is really something to be shameful. What matters is the number of poor people, please count them. I don’t have to tell you on how these gents became so rich (ie by ripping off the poor Indian people).

And do not talk about the issue of Proton without understanding the issue. There is a very good reason why the govt is not going ahead with VW.

The key is that none of your cars that you make can be compared to Proton’s quality or technology.

However, don’t get the wrong idea, I like and admire India for many things. I do hope that one day India can be as developed as Malaysia or the US even.

But India has some many problems that it is in no position to advise or reprimand Malaysia. The Indians in Malaysia are far luckier to be in this country than India.

Make no mistake we are in Malaysia still have a lot of problems to solve. But compared to India, our problems are miniscule.

Leave us alone to face our fights, just mind your own business. We don’t need your help.

MP: Edited.

HINDRAF is hope for our indian community and as for Mr.Dato,time to scratch your peoples ****. A piece of advise to you… Just take the money you’ve made so far and screw off somewhere because this drama is going to get worst with some big shot victims in it. Spare the details…. your name is right on top. So, shut your @*#%ing gap and get lost.

the balance 2% for lucky pick public.
then the same when on but as time flies the public grew more and people started asking. no
the balance of 2% that’s really coming to us is not enough.
That’s what hindraf is asking.

you claim your self not a malaysian nor a malay then what are you tuah67. sorry I mentioned you nickname wrongly when I addressed you earlier. you’re so shame to say the truth about yourself then why be in this blog to comment on others???

so stop commenting about others are trying to Jaga tepi kain orang and ask yourself first whose kain your trying to jaga.

Mr Ivan

You have brought out so many valid points and it is this very typical mentality of the UMNO Malays that perturbs me..They will only compare their might & success against the marginalised & the weak. They don’t compare an apple with an apple… If they wish to compare or use another nation as a yardstick for their success.They should do it with a nation that demostartes similiar historical,cultural & political backgorunds..The best candidate would be SINGAPORE..She gain independence at the same time, has similiar ethnic social stratas..But where SINGAPORE standing in economy compare to MALAYSIA. In fact, we need the likes of SINGAPOREANS such as TONY FERNANDEZ to save AIRASIA.

Let us stand united.
and never be divided or shaken up by all those so called “representative”for indian community.
They are just a puppet.

We should not fight against ourselves but fight the injustice.
God is JUST

hi everybody…..
I’m a Malaysian Indian student studying in overseas as I have the money to study abroad….But what will those with not enough money do?? Only a small amount of Indian in m’sia are capable of spending money on their children’s education as they have the money…

To mention majority of Indians are still poor…they make their children study until secondary school…to pursue their higher studies, they highly depend on the government institution as they cant afford private education institutions…This is a known fact..

“Irmila”…What do u know about Indians is m’sia???….Don’t tell me the Malays have any problem in gaining good education… I know a lot of my Indian friends who highly depend on the government university after their STPM…when they list down a list of course they are interested in….Do know what is the result…”They’ll get a course which was the last on their list”..This is what they obtain..This is what normally happens..People who wanted to study acc..Will get some other course which is not at all related…All we need is education to bring up ourselves….when that education is not properly provided what else the Indians can do…A Malay student with lesser mark than a Chinese or Indian can easily enter the university without any doubt…”CAN U SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?”
CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY THIS? WE WANT PROPER RIGHTS FOR GAINING EDUCATION…now only the Indian have been awaken to ask their rights

Thanks to HINDRAF for leading them …hope the government to appropriate action on this…

Next is about the police….How can they do so. Mixing chemical in the water to disperse the crowd… (DONT U HAVE A HEART?)….I don’t think it is necessary for the police to do so….even though it was said that it was an illegal rally….How can the police do so…?? Y no action on the police…

“The most important thing just ask yourselves what’s are your contribution to govt?” This is ur statement irmila…For ur information it’s the governments duty to look after the ‘rakyat’..not the rakyat’s job to look after the government….its the government duty to solve if there’s any problem in any of the community let it be Chinese ,Indian or Malay..

…irmila u don’t know the full story about what’s going on in the Indian community. so I guess u know what im trying to say…

tuah pegi mati la….hindraf hidup..we not to try to say malays not good….the present ruling umno malays..which never consider other races basics needs..shame one you coz pretend like dont know anything aja aja nak spport umno( makan duit la ni)

MP: Just to add, do the indonesian consider themselves as Malay or Indonesian? I mean, do they have a “race” column in the forms etc.? Now, there’s some issue over plagiarism of dance/song by Malaysia. So, it seems that the Indonesians don’t see themselves as race (if they have such definition) first, but nation first?

Origin of the Malays
http://library.thinkquest.org/C001252F/intro/history/origins_of_the_malays.htm

The Malays originated in Yunnan, China. They Proto-Malays were also known as Jakun.

They were seafaring people. Probably because of their seafaring way of life or trading, they were believed to have lived in coastal Borneo. They then expanded into Sumatra and the Malay Peninsula. A Portuguese historian, Godinho de Eredia, referred to the Malays as Saletes (Orang Selat, or People of the Straits).

The Malays played a major part in the Making of great Malay empires of Malacca and Johor. Present day Malays of the Peninsula and the coasts of the Malay Archipelago are described anthropologically as deutero-Malays. They are descendants of the tribal proto-Malays mixed with modern Indian, Thai, Arab and Chinese blood.