Subscribe in a reader | Subscribe by Email finally, something that appeared on mainstream media (the NST) about the memorandum by HINDRAF. Just some hot air and no facts as usual 🙂
Samy Vellu hits back at Hindu Rights Action Force
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PUTRAJAYA, FRI:
MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu today launched a stinging attack against a non-governmental organisation, the Hindu Rights Action Force (HINDRAF), which claimed that the Barisan Nasional (BN) government had done little to address the woes of the Malaysian Indian community over the last 50 years.
“I must state here that if there is anything that affects the Indian community, the MIC will be there to fight it out even when we are partners of the Barisan Nasional. To me, I have never remained idle and I don’t waste time,” Samy Vellu, who is also Works Minister, told Bernama today.
The MIC supremo was asked to comment on a 18-point memorandum by HINDRAF, which was handed to the Prime Minister’s office last Sunday by the organisation’s chairman P. Waytha Moorthy, secretary V.K Regu and its legal adviser P. Uthayakumar.
Apart from stating that the Indian community was marginalised by the BN government, in the memorandum, HINDRAF also wanted an end to special privileges given to Malays. The memorandum also took a dig at Umno asking the largest political party in the country to “stop playing politics” through the “mandore” (supervisor) system by dishing out aid to the Indian community on a piecemeal basis.
MR.PM,
JUST SO SAD TO SEE A FATHER NOT GIVING FAIR TREATMENT TO HIS CHILDREN,SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN,THANKS…..
Samy Velu is a corrupt politician who is a disgrace to the Malaysian Indian Community and everyone knows it.
Dear All,
1. Kena ingat maut boleh datang bila bila masa
2. Dunia ini sementara
3. Kena bersyukur dgn apa yang ada
4. Bila tamak org lain yang susah
5. TUHAN maha berkuasa
Pening kepala baca blog ni. Masing masing ada tuntutan. Bagaimana dgn tutuntan generasi masih hadapan.
Orang Melayu dah mula meluat melihat pemuda INDIA yang demo…. kesian…. tak ada maksud hidup yang menafaat.
The key thing here is the support given by the people not necessarily to Hindraf itself but for their concepts/claims, in short “a support for Hindraf”. It will be completely hard to deny Hindraf is wrong, provided u r a fair/rationale thinker.
What’s so wrong with equal treatment to all races/religions???
There’s no point getting university seats thru “merit” system via matriculation and possibly to get past university degree with “guidance”..bcoz real challenge lies in the working world. Just take one factory for example and check the races ratio in development dept against the ratio for university entry, u would find a completely reverse result…sad to see local university ranking declined so badly..let’s fix the entry system atleast..
On the other hand, let’s talk with spirituality when we refer to India or any other countries…there are pros and cons everywhere…would not mean u can talk bad abt Malaysia if u happen to get PR status in other countries for example…dun be ettappan in your own heart…..India is a great country as Malaysia is..it’s the crappy ppl that you’ll see as the source of all the problems..
Hotline after 50 years of independence and 20+ years on MIC hot-seat…I reckon ppl have made it clear abt races/religious inequality that surely exists in Malaysia..true leaders should have sensed it right away..not even requiring hotline setup..etc.
– Analyse all the temples’ legality status. Help temples that are in danger to be demolished. Legalize/relocate them as I’m sure Hindus would not want our dieties to be in uncertainity situation as well..we hv to be responsible ourselves in the first place to ensure this.
– Single entry-level exam for university entrance. This is going to help all the races..bcoz it will start the competition right away when u r young to do better..u dun want to have an easy passage earlier somehow and suffer later in working life…
Indians are not getting enough places to study in local university..make it a true merit system like Singapore.
– Ensure “Bangsa Malaysia” thing is implemented to the least in govt sector where all races are given equal chances..else dont talk about instilling national integrity..bcoz logically it simply won’t happen as the “way” has been blocked by the govt themselves.
– New young leader who has the passion to do the best for Indians is key..this is somehow difficult to achieve, but make every effort/numbers transparent so that nobody could question. (ie Maika shares blunder). Show the progress of hard core poor ppl in estates and what’s the plan in case MIC has planned something for them..make it transparent.
Overall, it’s quite clear that ppl are starting to feel MIC failed to live up to expectations. Hotline setup at this juncture is either a political gimmick or in scared-response of the Hindraf support that Mr. Utaya is getting….
Killer: We can tell that you are PRO government and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, you seem to get too worked up / emotional about the whole thing. What we do here is to post our sat/dissat. Bravo to your efforts in getting a place in a Public uni. but bear in mind that while u got in, there are hundreds out there who didn’t.
I personally never applied for a public Uni cos I felt it was a waste of time. If i’m lucky, i’ll get a seat but more often than not, it’ll be for a course that is my 2nd or 3rd choice. As such, I enrolled to study privately.
But I do have friends who were in public uni’s and many more who didnt make it. Its a pity. Instead of looking at how the system has benefitted you, why not you place yourself in their shoes.
Forget proving how wrong we are abt HINDRAF/MIC/UMNO, etc. Let’s just take a look around, meet more unfortunate people and understand their plight.
Peace.
Hello Saudara En Haji Othman,
Memang benar apa yang dikatakan oleh saudara . Saudara sememangnya telah melihat paparan berita di media masa tempatan tetapi sedarkah saudara bahawa media tempatan merupakan jentera kerajaan pemerintah dan ia boleh dimanupalasikan mengikut kehendak mereka yang berkemapuan.
Memang:
* maut boleh datang bila bila masa – setiju
* Dunia ini sementara – setuju
* Kena bersyukur dgn apa yang ada – setuju
* TUHAN maha berkuasa – setuju
Malangnya apa yang saudara perkatakan itu kurang tepat kerana saudara tidak melihat punca yang menyebabkan pemuda India mengadakan perhimpunan aman.
Bila tamak org lain yang susah- kurang setuju
Persoalannya di sini bukannya tamak tetapi masalah yang telah berpunca disebabkan pihak berkuasa yang tidak mengendahkan keluhan masyarakat India setempat ketika merobohkan berpuluh-puluh Kuil atau tempat ibadat kaum Hindu di Negeri Selangaor dengan mengunakan kekerasan . Pihak berkuasa melengkapkan diri dengan senjata mesin-gan, semata-mata untuk memastikan misi mereka berjaya. Semua kuil ini diberi penempatan semula di sebelah logi najis . Adakah ini wajar bagi Hj. Othman jika dilihat dari perspektif mana-mana agama di dunia ini? Namun demikian ketika kuil dirobohkan pihak berkuasa dan media tidak menyiarkan aktiviti ini. Kenapa? Kenapa pula mereka yang membela nasib kuil ini ditangkap pihak berkuasa?
Hj Othman, banyak yang tidak didedahkan media. Media menyembunyikan perkara sebenar tetapi mengambarkan mereka yang tampil membela nasib kaum Hindu sebagai tamak. Kita bukannnya mahukan permusuhan kerana negara sudah pun mengalami nasib sedemikian pada masa silam. Perhimpunan kami aman tetapi telah dikecohkan pihak berkuasa dan diputarbelitkan oleh media. Jika kuil kami dirobohkan sekarang tanpa pengadilan yang sewajarnya, lama-kelamaan akan menular kepada isu-isu yang akan menghakis hak-hak kami sebagai warganegara Malaysia. Kami bukan tamak hendakkan duit sebab kami berkemampuan bekerja keras untuk mencarinya sebagaimana yang telah dilakukan oleh nenek moyang kami ketika menyumbang kepada ekonomi Tanah Melayu tanpa mengira penat-lelah dan kebajikan diri sendiri. Apa yang kami mahukan pada perhimpunan aman kami adalah untuk menuntut hak kami yang semakin tidak diendahkan oleh kerajaan.
Untuk makluman saudara, kami tetap akan menyumbang kepada pembangunan dan kesejahteraan tanah tumpah darah kami (Tanah Melayu) walaupun kami masih tidak dianggap sebagai anak tempatan.
SALAM SEJAHTERA
Saudara dj:
Sila jawab persoalan ini… adakah patut kuil dibina sewenang-wenang di tepi jalan raya, di tepi simpang jalan raya, di atas tanah milik orang lain dll. Tunjukkan bukti kerajaan guna machine-gun untuk menakut-nakutkan pembantah perobohan kuil….
Saya yakin kerajaan kita la paling lemah lembut di dunia. Sebelum perobohan dibuat… bertahun-tahun notis dikeluarkan… tapi pihak yang berkaitan mengabaikannya… malah menambah lagi struktur bangunan sewenang-wenangnya. Kalau betul sesetengah devotees ini penganut yang setia atau kuat agama… kenapa tak ada yang sudi nak serahkan tanah sendiri ( wakafkan ) seperti orang Islam buat…. Orang Islam tidak pernah sewenang-wenangnya buat surau atau masjid di atas tanah haram( milik orang lain ). Ada kes orang Islam buat surau atas tanah persendirian… tapi surau dirobohkan sebab tak dapat kelulusan majlis agama islam.
Cuba rujuk di sebuah kawasan di Pokok Sena, Kedah…. sebuah kuil ( atau tempat pemujaan sahaja ) dibina di tepi simpang tiga jalan raya….menyukarkan usaha pembangunan. Tak dirobohkan hingga hari ini ( didirikan berpuluh-puluh tahun hingga hari ini ) masih ada toleransi… walaupun kawasan Pokok Sena penganut hindu cuma minoriti.
Kami orang islam tidak pernah ada niat merobohkan tempat ibadat agama lain… itu larangan agama kami. Tapi kalau tempat ibadat dibina sewenang-wenangnya… itu sudah menafikan hak keselesaan awam dan hak persendirian. Tuhan yang berkuasa tempatnya tersendiri… bukan di tepi-tepi jalan atau di tepi-tepi longkang atau menumpang di tanah-tanah persendirian orang lain.
For those who are still backing up for the unreasonable, unprofessional, pathetic government and the selfish, greedy, conman mic president read this. This is the statement given by the president of our legal Malaysian bar. Just watching the video I cried for several days. Hat off to all the Indians who attended the 25th. Remember this, Krishna avatar is to kill the demon, Ganesha took this form to kill mushikan… Hindraf Uthaya is the avatar to kill the demons call MIC and UMNO.
Valga tamil makkal. Valga hindraf.
The Bar Council is concerned at the manner in which the Hindraf gathering was handled. Reports have been received of the unnecessarily large number of roadblocks, the unnecessary use of force, tear gas and water cannons all against persons whose intent was peaceful. It is our belief that a softer approach would have resulted in less confrontation, less injuries and ultimately less problems.
Quite apart from the fact that the right to assemble peaceably is enshrined in the Constitution, attempts to curtail the assembly muzzle voices that must be heard. There is clearly a group of Malaysians who feel marginalised, frustrated and helpless. Their grouses are real to them and are therefore real to our society.
Indeed these concerns exist in other communities in Malaysia and it is time for a nation that has just celebrated 50 years of independence, to be mature enough to acknowledge that there are problems in its society that require urgent solutions. There is a sense that not all are given the opportunities that are abundantly available under the Malaysian sun. These problems cannot be left to fester. We would urge the Government to respond in a positive and constructive manner in addressing these complex issues. Not for one minute should we dismiss this gathering which, stripped of all else, is a cry for help.
In this context, the call for the use of the I.S.A. and the use of the archaic Sedition Act against 3 lawyers, is retrogressive, counter productive and smacks of extreme high handedness against our own people. Gone are the days when force could be used to solve our problems. We are entering a new era of openness and democracy. A vital part of that process is to hear the voice of the people and to heed their call.
Ambiga Sreenevasan
President
Malaysian Bar
27 November 2007
truth always hurts. u deny what hindraf is claming then you’re denying your own birth.you break temples god is looking. they will pay for it. manithan andru kol van devam nindre kollum is an old say. devam manithin kulla andray kollum. this is today.
TechFun has left a new comment on the post ” Al-Jazeera”:
MG: First, have you ever seen unbiased evidence of Al Jazeera falsifying reports? I have not. Second, have your politicians ever lied to you before? In my case in the USA, I cannot say yes.
So far for me, Al Jazeera has a better track record for honesty than the US Government.
MG has left a new comment on the post ” Al-Jazeera”:
dear Techfun,
thank you for your comment. i wish to state that I am not claiming Al Jazeera is falsifying news.
All i want is the truth.
Now, let me give you a sample of what i mean.
This is what Al Jazeera has claimed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glaXc34K3bY&feature=related
and now, this is what malaysian media says(watch till the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wcG0QT1TUc&feature=related
Clearly someone is telling lies here.
If Al Jazeera is not liying, they better start defending their point. Else i would be forced to sue Al Jazeera to get the real truth out of everyone.
please note that i still have faith that Al Jazeera follows their Code of Ethics. But the whole country of malaysia has declared them as liers.
so tell me, how am i to accept, trust or use any information from Al Jazeera if my country declared them as liers ?
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Posted by MG to capitaL eLs at November 29, 2007 7:31 PM
I WIII BE GIVE FULL SUPPORT TO HINDRAF.WHO DONT SUPPORT HINDRAF PLS KEEP CLOSE YR ******* AND DONT CREATE ANY RUBBISH THROUGH YR MOUTH.
JAIHINDH HINDRAF! JAIHINDH HINDRAF! JAIHINDH HINDRAF!
VALGA VALARGA HINDRAF.
THANK YOU .
Valgha Hindraf !!
Yes , whoever wish not to support ‘Hindraf’ please dont contribute any comments in this Blog, please.
No need to mention their names …(siapa makan cili pasti akan terasa)
Thanks
Valgha Hindraf !!
Dear Killer,
1. HINDRAF supporters went to Batu Caves temples and broke open the gates
-TRUE. Not sure how the broke the gates,since it was used back to lock them in.
2. They refused to leave upon asked by the temple committee
-TRUE.
3. Temple committee called the police
TRUE. Temple committee said there were lots of people OUTSIDE temple around midnight. Not sure why they said outside when the people already entered the compound (pic 2 & 3). temple committee say they (police) arrived at 1am.
4. The police asked the supporters to leave but they refused.
– NOT SURE. The gates are open and the people look like want to come out, but blocked by police (pic 4 to 9).
5. The HINDRAF supporters attacked the police with stones and bricks
– UNSURE. HINDRAF claims some people were planted to cause disruption. If you noticed, only in batu caves were bricks used. the bricks were part of the on-going construction and was scattered there for quite sometime. probably can check with those that frequently visit batu caves (daily/weekly).
6. Police used watercannon to subdue the crowd
– TRUE. At around 3am it seems (pic 14 & 15).
7. The crowd damaged temple properties and also set fire to a tourist bus
– NOT TRUE. Temple has clarified that slight damage to the gate and a fridge.
8. Police did not use force and did not use water cannon or tear gas within the temple ground.
– NOT TRUE. Police did not use force, but used tear gas and cannon (pic 13 to 15).
Now let’s look at the pics. These people are not people who came to pray. They had pictures of Gandhi and obviously they had come with other intentions.
– they came to gather before moving to klcc. many received sms to gather at batu caves.
Why they were doing at Batu Caves at that time ?
– resting.
Look at the photos of the FRU using the watercannon. Look at the road. You can see bricks and stones on the road near the police ? That shows that the FRU were attacked by the devotees before the watercannon attack. So do you think these people are inncocent ?
– the police push them force them back in, and i suppose a few threw back the stones. then the police move back (notice the gap between them and the gate), then the tear gas and water cannon started. everyone started to run deeper inside. then the police moved into the temple compound. this is my understanding.
I read Makkal Ossai the other day and it published a big news on how the police beat up the people. But it did not provide any evidence but just a witness account by someone claiming to be a news vendor who “happended” to be there (this is a joke right?). But the statement by the temple commitee was so small and put at some corner that I almost missed it.
– newspaper vendor may be there to arrange newspaper distribution (early morning 3-4am they are working). but how valid is the claim, i’n not sure.
So, simple question. If someone who were there can take some many pics, you think they would not have taken pics of police beating ?
– Yes they would have if they have seen it. notice in the picture (pic 19) the police coming out of the temple compound whereas the police mentioned they did not go in at all. so, who knows what happens inside. i’m also compiling photos and video posted all over the net. hope to sort it out next week.
There were hundreds of photographers and many more with camera handphones on that day, not to mention the TV news stations. How come not even one had a picture of police brutality ? Your friends can claim that but what can else you expect from HINDRAF supporters ? By taking part in the rally they are obviously biased and can’t be used as independent eyewitness. Even the Bar Council chairperson did not talk about police brutality but water cannon and gas.
– even though they attend the rally in support of hindraf, my friends have no reason to lie. why should they say something which is not true? they are not supporting blindly and lying. my friend was hit with baton in the tunnel area (jln ampang-jln tun razak). luckily not serious. this guy is an engineer who was watching peacefully, not some rowdy. if you see PKR’s statement today, it seems they have found some video clips. let’s see what happens.
You see, for all their claim of transparency and fairness, I did not a single account from the any alternative media to be truthful. On the other hand, while the mainstream media downplayed the incident, they did not lie or cover up.
– on the contrary, i find the mainstream media worse than alternative media. also, individuals can upload their photos and write their experiences. both the medias have their own agendas, but one has the added shackle of press and printing law.
For all the crap about non-violence, I read that the crowd tries to provoke the police by using vulgar words. You think Gandhi would be proud of this ?
– how many in the crowd used such words? while i was not privy to incident at batu caves, my very reliable friends/relative who were scattered all around klcc area said the crowd was overwhelmingly orderly. if you take into consideration few hot-blooded youths, maybe gandhi was proud after all.
And BTW, how come the leaders did not turn up for the rally and only came late ? Scared ?
– they were there around 7.30am onwards. moving around klcc park and jln ampang (up to monorail station).
shut up ur mouth samy velu. 50 tahun tak boleh buat apa-apa untuk kaum india tapi sekarang cakap besar. mana wang MAIKA??? we support HINDRAF 100%
ashwinkumar & Ramu,
u guys claiming that goverment is discriminating & u r fighting for your rights, but u urself not willing to hear other peoples opinions, that also form the people belongs to your same community????
do u think u only has the rights to talk? not others? u have been so rude to ur own fellow beings? is that sound domination? so called discrimintaion? which category shall i add this?
thats y i tell the change should come within our selves first, in our community first! respect should be given and taken! not just expecting and claiming form others!!!
please mind ur words!
Quote from the SMART Tun VT Sambanthan; during the debate on the draft Constitution at the Federal Legislative Council on July 10, 1957, Sambanthan urged greater co-operation between the communities, reminding them that Malaya was a plural society. He told the council:
“We belong to a plural society, and we should always remember that in such a society we have to recognise that psychology has its own place. It is not enough if one’s own attitude towards a problem is good. It is necessary that he should see what reaction, what effect it would have on members of different communities.”
So, Think SMARTLY & Do Not follow some LOWLY Stupid “sentiments” PURPOSELY done by some Irresponsible & SELFISH half-past6 oppositions!..
Peace, “Gandhi”.
Mr Ganasan n Fly,
Please do not lie.
So gandhi is saying maika holding shares were dealt greatly for the Indian community by the responsible party??
The difference between Smart & Rational LEADERS, and Lowly Emotional FOLLOWERS are that the latter will somehow seek on violence, while the former will seek on cooperation for the Benefit of ALL.
Everybody in Malaysia agrees that we, as a nation, have progressed successfully as compared to other nations that gained independence during or before our time! I believe ALL of the other nations have small minorities (be it religious-wise or race-based), but are still lagging BEHIND Us!…
I can safely say that Malaysia is the ONLY Country in the world that HAVE TO Manage all her HUGE No. of Minorities (about 40-45%) of the total population – &, in BOTH aspects of race & religion!! – where, we had SUCCESSFULLY managed to do it PEACEFULLY & HARMONIOUSLY…. & for over half a CENTURY already!
Generally, the majority of this Peaceful & RESPECTFUL Nation has been very lenient; cooperated with EVERYbody very well, and had been UNSELFISH in sharing their lands; when they gained the support of the minorities, to seek the independence of Malaya.
I sincerely hope, all of us Malaysians, would try to understand our history & HOW we ALL came about to be PEACE-LOVING MALAYSIANS…..
Let’s ALL Move On afresh, as a single family, as what the Tunku had envisioned on Merdeka Day, 1957.
A Concerned Malaysian, “Gandhi”.
Saudara saudari kaum india Malaysia ku sekelian,
Maaf, saya nak cakap sikit. Anda mungkin fikir bahawa HINDRAF telah menjalankan kerja yang sangat bagus membela nasib kaum India di Malaysia. Anda juga mungkin lupa yang perkara yang HINDRAF lakukan dan suarakan menyinggung perasaan kaum kaum lain.
Pasal Isu kuil anda dirobohkan, saya simpati, tetapi anda juga tak boleh lupa bahawa masjid kaum melayu juga telah dirobohkan oleh kerajaan.
Peristiwa kampung medan bukan Kaum india saja yang mati, Kaum melayu juga ada yang mati.
Pasal Jenayah dan gejala sosial. Bukan kaum india saja yang terlibat, kaum kaum lain juga terlibat sama.
Pasal kaum india minta 4 trillion dari British. Betul British bawa kaum India datang Malaya. Kaum India nak minta 4 trillion, kaum India boleh minta tak ada masaalah kaum india ada 200,000 tanda tangan sokong itu memorandum dan tuntutan, 10 orang pergi hantar cukuplah, lepas tu adakan sidang akbar bagitahu semua bangsa yang kaum India sudah minta 4 trillion sama british bolehkan???????????. Tak payahlah nak turun ramai ramai.
Kalau kaum India berjaya dapat 4 trillion BAGUSLAH, LAGI RAMAI JUTAWAN DALAM MALAYSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Rakyat Malaysia ada 27 juta orang semua bangsa, Kaum india ada 8% sudah ada 2.16 juta orang, Maksudnya sudah ada 2.16 juta jutawan segera dalam Malaysia. Wow ini sudah cerita baik!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lepas tu kaum Cina pulak boleh minta. Kaum cina ada 25% dalam Malaysia. Jadi kaum cina ada 6.75 juta orang. Kalau 8% sama dengan 4 Trillion, 25% sama dengan 13.5 Trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Orang Cina boleh dapat. Ini lagi bagus sebab 6.75 juta rakyat kaum Cina Malaysia sudah jadi jutawan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Tapi saya mahu tanya satu perkara, HINDRAF betul fikir dia boleh dapat itu wang Ka?. Kerajaan British boleh kalah itu kes dan bayar itu wang pada kaum India Malaysia Ka?.
Sami Vellu baik ka, Tak baik ka? Saya tak mahu cakap, saya tak tahu, kaum India lagi tahu. Yang saya tahu Negara Malaysia semua kaum masih boleh hidup aman damai. Kehidupan semua kaum di Malaysia masih baik. Negara Malaysia ini masih banyak kerja. Sebab Orang negara luar masih datang ke Malaysia untuk kerja, termasuk orang dari negara India dan neraga Cina.
Soalannya disini kenapa orang negara India masih datang ke Malaysia untuk kerja,Kenapa orang India di Malaysia fikir kaum India ditindas kerajaan BN di Malaysia ?. Pemimpin Melayu ada cakap kaum Melayu malas tak mahu kerja sebab itu kaum Melayu ditinggalkan (mundur )oleh kaum lain. Saya fikir cakap pemimpin Melayu ini betul, tapi hanya untuk kaum Melayu saja lah untuk kaum India saya tak tahu. Boleh kaum India tolong jawap kenapa?.
Oh Ya saya lupa, Pasal artikal 153 perlembagaan Malaysia ( Hak Orang Melayu) pasal itu kaum India Malaysia Mundur. Tetapi kalau artikal ini takada kaum India betul pasti ka kaum India takkan ketinggalan ka??????????????????????. itu pasallah kaum India mahu jadi jutawan segera.
Tapi saya tahu satu perkara, kaum melayu pun ada itu NGO Melayu untuk bela nasib orang Melayu. bukan Umno dan Pas saja. Apa HINDRAF buat, orang melayu belum cakap apa apa secara terus terang lagi.
Orang Melayu Biasalah Malu mau cakap. Tapi kalau orang Melayu mula cakap orang India boleh diam macam orang Melayu diam sekarang masa HINDRAF cakap ka ?
Orang India minta 4 trillion sebab British bawa orang india datang Malaysia dan tinggalkan orang India dalam masalah sosia dan menjadi mangsa politik Umno di Malaysia. OK Sekarang saya mahu tanya. Kalau orang british tak bawa orang India ke Malaysia, Semua orang India hidup di negara india sekarang ni, Semua Orang India di negara India tu senang lenang ka hidupnya?????????????????????. Negara India banyak senag cari wang Ka ??????????????????????????.
Saya tak tahu apa orang india cakap macam mana. Tapi orang melayu selalu cakap :
1) Kalau mahu meludah pandang bawah, Jangan Pangang atas.
2) Hujan emas di negeri orang tak sama dengan hujan batu di negeri sendiri.
3) Usaha Tangga Kejayaan
4) Itu Pak Luncai Orang India tahu Ka??? itu orang menang sorak tapi kampung dia tergadai orang lain angkat orang India tahu ka???????????????????????????????.
guys..2 weeks before hindraf’s assembly there was bersih. there were 50 thousand people asking for a fair election. and then hindraf asking for our indian’s right. rumors is Chinese is planing a assembly too regarding the demolishing of Pigs in melaka. clearly this show that the government is not right.
Hishamudin said BN don’t need indian’s and chinese’s vote to win the coming election. they have the 60% malay vote.. But Looking at bersih rally I doubt they will get even 5% vote.
Good things happen when people start shouting, demonstrating at the govt. We got new roads, new schools, new house, new lights and so on. Why, because people who sit in the govt right is not really a honest, serious person to help people. Its obvious nowadays. I dont support HINDRAF but its OK to demonstrate for our rights.
ganthi ji. it shows from how you speak that you’re a true BN chamcha. buttering up samy velu opsss he gave you a fortune right. you morons. if you have struggled to get a job, a loan a life then you’ll know the paint people when through. living in air-con and eating pasta everyday and talking like you’re so so educated— crap. a concern malaysian ya my foot. only those people who struggled. being graduates me and my husband were jobless for 8 months. company closed down. do you know how many job application we put.. thousands. we walked to samy velu’s office every week for an opportunity. neither did we get the job we deserve not did we get any opportunity from our so called leader, I only lost all the jewelery I own.I wash dishes to live. even now I a qualified software engineer am working as a clerk and my husband a qualified mechanical engineer is a site supervisor. employment is still tough for indians. when is this going to change. my support to hindraf for bring up this issues.
for those chamca shut up.
Benefit for all…what benefit? Do you get a 7% discount on your house when u r earning a mere say RM900 a month. Whilst a Malay would benefit from this even if he can afford a bungalow worth millions. Benefit for all what benefit…when non-malays pay taxes and the Malays can get tax rebates totally from zakat. u can’t coz what u contribution to Temples , churches & etc is not recognised as tax rebates. Benefit for all..what benefit…So it’s Ok 2 treat me like a 3rd class citizen as long as u don’t hurt me.It’s OK…it’s OK for 50 years we are resounding the same thing.Change this policy give the special previledges to the poor regardsless of religion & colour.Not the elite…I love peace but hate injustice, inequality and discrimination (iid)more. No amount progress & peace can compensate for iids & history has proved in so many instances around the world this 2 can’t mix.
MP: for clarifications, please contact hindraf (03-22825241). their website is policewatchmalaysia.com
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This msg is true confirmed by me – Naresh
Mr Ajax , You know what Zakat is ? If you don’t know ..don’t talk like rubbish…! We, muslim pay zakat are same as tax. If the amount of our zakat not enough… the rest amount we’ll pay.
This emotionally debating can’t accepted… you are not respect religion.
wahai abang melayu yang sangat bertimbang rasa kpd india .. tolong tak payah masuk campur dalam masalah hindraff..kita orang nak dapat ke tak dapat ker wang itu ..masalah kita .kau tidak perlu masuk buka mulut kat ruang ini.kalau cakap pasal bangsa kau tu lagi buat malu untuk negara ini.
Thank you very much Mr. Samy Vellu… puppets like you dance to the tunes of your masters and want to control the freedom minded sentiments of your fellow men… who just wish dignity, respect, accountability and to be treated fairly.
All Malaysians should be treated equal – why is the Govt providing preferential treatment to Malays compared to Chinese and Indians. They still have not got the idea and meaning of democracy.
hindraff…poorah!!!
hindraf…now to much already.
if hindraf member tak like malaysia..please get out from malaysia.
dear ajax..if you think malaysia tak sesuai.please go back to your home town. INDIA.
MP: i think Force also means team or group. I have edited all your cursings.
Brunt Council said…
Hindraf is supposed to mean Hindu Rights Action Force. Allow me to explain something here abt this acronym.
HINDU RIGHTS … look under Section 3 and 11 of the Federal Constitution to know of your rights. Do read it in full and its entirety.
Before I go further, remember that the Constitution is agreed upon by your forefather and it is sacrilegous to question it.
WHat has been given (citizenship) as consented by the Malays (be it with their concurrance or forced upon by the f**king Brit through their reprsentative and royal representative) could not be taken back.
Visi versa on the non Malay part and the part consented given is the acknowldgement of Malay as a language, Islam as religion of the Federation (not official religion), king as sovereign, and Malay’s special righst under article 153.
The only religion mentioned in the constitution is Islam. Its status in the Constitution is higher. The only religion that has provision under the Constitution to be given government funding for various purposes is Islam. So there is no separation between state and religion for the case of Islam. Thus be it Tunku or Hussein Onn or human righst lawyers, THIS IS NOT A SECULAR STATE but a Malaysian version of ISLAMIC STATE!
However, other religion is allowed to be professed, practised, and propagated (provided not propogated to Muslims) in peace and harmony.
Peace means by following the law and regulations. Harmony means to take into consideration the sensitivity of other religions particularly Muslims and community. For example, if the new introduction of a temple in a Muslim community caused discomfort/disharmony to Muslims due to the differences in practises, it has to be respected.
I have not taken issues yet on the Sekolah Tamil demand, 20% quota demand for top post post in public and private sector, and many other imaginations of theirs which the have no basis!!!
THe second words in the acronym is ACTION. For them to undertake actions, it is to be done within the confine of the law and not to break the law.
However the word ACTION consequently comes the FORCE. The combined word ACTION FORCE is not a friendly one. I take it to mean Action by Force.
Does that mean Hindraf will take action without due consideration of the Constitution and Law?
Does that mean Hindraf will do anything to achieve its objective even if it means treason act of smearing the good name of the country, fabrication lies as in accusation of ethnic cleansing, cooking up accusation of Kg Medan incidents, falsifying claims of Indian killed everyday, etc?
Does that mean HIndraf can insist to make ridiculous demands, quotas, allocations etc that has no justification under the law and constitutions?
Wake up lah! Sedar diri pendatang atau keturunan pendatang!
Pijak di Bumi yang nyata. Stop blaming others and look back at your own community problems. YOu are still not as poor/daif as the Malays/Bumiputeras/Orang Asli. They have more righst over you. The plantations provide better facilities for Indians than what Malays/Bumi/Orang Asli get at their natural inhabitants.
You do not like, you can get a tongkang back to India. I am sure you will lead a better prosperous life than your forefathers.
Whatever it is, it is clear now than HINDRAF have ******* and screwed all the effort made to rectify the leadership problem in this country by making Malays regroup their support for AAB.
Now we lost the opportunity to rectify many issues particulrly sovereign and constitutional issues.
Thats more than 2-3 years work!!! ***********************************
semua orang sakit otak. ai yaaaaa …. apa bising,bising, saya ta mau gaduh gaduh mau pergi keja senang , cuma itu trafik jamp kasi pening, ini negara semua orang suka, cari makan senang, apa mau bising bising… orang buta pun cari makan,, orang pekak pun bole cali makan, semua orang boleh cari makan… apa mau bising bising …. pelempuan negeli cina juga boleh cali makan jual daging, nepal jadi jaga, bangla keleja pam stesen, vietnam keja kilang, neglo pun boleh jual jam, jual macam macam cetak rompak pun ada, semua olang boleh keleja… baik ka tadak baik punya keleja pun ada. saya tamau kata itu kuil punya hal la… tapi kita kena sincere sama diri dulu, jgn tipu, kalau bikin tengok tmpat. jgn itu tempat illegal kasi bikin. tuhan pun talak suka kalau semayang punya tmpat kasi susah lain bangsa. kita selupa warna saja talak selupa darah ada o ada ab ada z ada y ada x mcam macam alphabet tapi merah juga. itu cakap gaduh apa dapat, sana india pun satu bangsa pun gaduh jugak mana mana sama juga. satu keluarga pun ada gaduh jugak,jgn gaduh nanti tuhan marah dia kasi tsunani macam itu johor dulu,… semua kena… cina ka melayu ka india ka orang putih ka orang hitam ka.. orang coklet ka orang kuning …. bukan orang pun kena juga…. melayu pun sudah banyak kompromi banyak kita kena terima kasih sama dia orang… kalau marah pada individu jgn semua satu bangsa kasi hantam, itu agama islam tada relation sama parti… jgn marah itu agam islam… tada butut… serupa itu kereta accident. . owner kereta pandu tada bagus.. atau itu kereta tada bagus, kalau kereta tada bagus kasi servis, kalau tuan kereta tada betul, jgn salah itu kereta… itu kunci tuan kereta pegang, so itu owner kreta tada betul… jgn marah sama saya… semua india ada bagus tapi 1 atau 2 orang saja tada bagus… kasi marah itu orang… jgn marah lain orang… fair comment lar kawan kawan. suka marah2 nanti jantung sakit sapa susah. sendiri susah.
InFullSupport,
Re: public universities. Appreciate if ALL Malaysians could be smart & look at least at the %-wise.
Could you see that there are ALSO many Malays who are qualified & could not go to the universities?? If the no. of Indians not able to join is thousands, the no. of Malays could very well be hundreds of thousands (1 batch is 500,000+)!!
Many of those not selected Malays are not rich/from kampungs, too. Thus, there are a lot of problems with many Malays who had to “hang around” or lepak-king, too!
Please do not just think of your own selfish problem – If you’re smart, you’d think Bigger & from MANY different Angles.
Just don’t show your stupidity, arrogance, or ego to people worldwide.
Peace, “Gandhi”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6703155.stm
look at the another case here, where is the freedom?
Dear Melayu (comment #420).
First of all, I would like to send my respect to you because you started your line with “Saudara Saudari”. That shows that you have love for your fellow country man. And I believe that anyone with a loving heart also have the patience to listen and the mind to analyze from various angle. So, with that believe, I would like to share my views and see if you can digest the below.
– Compare the number of temples that were destroyed against the number of mosques that we destroyed. Or did you really mean surau instead of masjids? Or were the surau/masjids rebuild in another place? Were those surau/masjid bull-dozed while you were still inside praying?
A basic of all religion is to know to respects other religion and their practices. This gov failed terribly and undeniably to portray this very basic thing. Read not only the local papers, but also foreign papers to get the overall picture of what had happened.
We, and by “we” I mean all the races, are struggling daily with robberies, snatch thieves, rapes, child abuse, murder… You can go on and on endlessly. All these require immediate attention. Instead, where was the focus?
Is demolishing temples the foremost priority of this country? These are old temples, as old as 100 – 150 years. Is it fair for the gov to bull-doze it because they didn’t hv proper document? Long back we didn’t have a birth certificate, and even now some still don’t have it. So, are you trying to say that these human have no rights to exist?
I would have saluted the GOV if they had said that new temples should hv these documents else it will be pushed down. Everyone would agree if the gov had requested for the documents for the temples that was build after the independence. Why do you ask for something that was long overdue?
The fact is GOV know these people can’t possibly produce the documents coz the person who took initial care of the temples more than 100-150 yrs back are already 6 feet under ground and anyone who took over might not even know if that doc ever existed. Isn’t this a dirty trick? You call this fair? Common!!! For once try to think like a human. Be a human before you be any religion.
In many places, as we walk, how many times have you wish that there were police officers roaming around. How often do you really see them in these needed places? There were more police and special force officers present at temples demolishment and at the rally than in the needed places. Why? For what? Are these public all armed terrorists to your eyes? What could they possibly do? Blow you up like that rich guy blew that Mongolian model?
What made the gov decide that the resource should be used for the temple demolishment and to stop the peace rally rather than to protect the public from a more serious criminals roaming freely out there?
Seriously, without bias, think. Don’t this gov know how to use their resource effectively?
– Let us all understand one thing. And be focused. This is not a struggle between Indian and Malay. It’s not a fight against Malay. It is a struggle and fight for a fair treatment. It’s a struggle to be acknowledged and not abused. A struggle to exist! Again, lets not let any party take advantage of it. This is purely Indian’s struggle with the GOV and its current so called leaders.
– This is not about the greed to become overnight millionaires. This is about making a point and to make sure that the point is taken seriously. So, if we had claimed for RM10 per head, we would not have gotten this effect. And mind you, the prices of almost everything have gone so much higher that RM10 is really too low. Anyone wants to conduct a case study on how much we should reasonably claim? Volunteers pls? 🙂
– You say you don’t understand why we need to go in large group. You ask us to go thru proper channel. Bring the debate to the parliment…etc. OK. Fine. It seems that you don’t know many things and as you admitted, you would’nt know coz you are not involved. So, to enlighten you, many attempts were made at the parliament by our tiny leaders, raising issues such as Tamil school conditions, Ukraine doctor issues, etc. Right opposite of him, A Dato (I don’t want to mention his name here, but if you really have the urge to find out, pls browse the net a little and you’ll find it) was throwing all kinds of harsh racist words against him and also towards other non-Muslims. I watched this in a video clip. Mr. Soothinathan was suspended because he seemed to have spoken against his fellow man and this is not acceptable. (So what if you speak against your fellow man. When something is not right, then make it right. You have all the rights to ask. Should you just shut up and be quiet just because you are in the same team? Nonsense!!) Anyway, the interesting part is nothing was done to the Dato who trashed racism remarks. Hmm… Could it be that our Pak Lah (PM) was sleeping when this happened? No, I saw him in the video wide awake. Don’t you see this as a clear discremination? Favouratism? Which is too much, that’s why some leaders have opening passed abusive words towards the minority. All because Pak Lah is lembut. A leader should not be this lembut. He should be firm. Dont’ you agree?
So, my dear, we did not retort to this group move without a reason. We have all the right reason to act in this manner. We know from experience that if we go alone or in small group, our voice will not be heard.
– Also, the rally was a peaceful walk. No one carried any sticks or bricks or glass bottles. If we really wanted to create problem, during the clash, we could have broken window of nearby petrol kiosk, the buildings, and damaged lots of public properties, even taken the opportunity to steal the goods. This is what really happens in true violent driven rallies. Did this happen in HINDRAF rally?
– The fact is and the fact remains that there are discriminations. This cannot be avoided in any part of the world, I agree. But what is the tolerant level of these discriminations? Where do you draw the line? How do you still continue to provide increasing aids to your favorite race but still able to provide stable, reasonable, fair aid to the others minorities. This is the heavy job of the country’s leader. This is where true leadership qualities come in. A true good leader knows how to keep everyone happy.
If you do not abuse, or reduce the aids, then no one will complain. Did our GOV achieve this? Or were they shrinking our share? You made us feel like we were living in your mercy. How bad is that?
– Malaysian Indian’s are angry, yes. But at who? Who should we be angry at? I would say “we should be angry at ourselves”. For choosing that lousy wrong leader. The best part is some still continue to vote for him after years & years of disappointment. Knock knock, anybody home? Anyone actually doing something to pull him off the chair?
If only our leader had done a good job, we need not come to this extreme measure. Think for a second the difference between Samy and the MCA leaders. MCA is firm, they ask for what they want and persistent in getting what they asked for. Did Samy do that for us? Correct, he didn’t. Then what should we do? Think.
– My message to you (Malays). I want you to know that Indians are not angry at Malays/Muslims. It may seem like a direct attact towards you. But that is illusion. Your wrong perception. I hope you try to understand this. So,don’t get stirred for the wrong reasons. Many of us have good Malay friends who we can rely on for hideout when needed. And I’m sure you have your Indian friends who you can rely on at difficult times.
Also, being at the receiving end, you will not understand the anxiety of the people at the other end who for many many years have kept their mouth shut, faith intact, and their empty hands up patiently for many many years. We only got bread crumbs.
If you can step out of your comfort zone and try to feel how it feels to be in our shoes, then you’ll start to understand that this is a must struggle. And try to understand that this struggle is not to snatch away your privileges. This is asking for our priviledges. You can still keep yours. Just give us what rightfully ours.
Finally, don’t be distracted by what some misleading leaders say. Read more local & foreign papers. Watch the clibs and decide.
Tamila, vote pannunge-pa. Go register yourself. Otherwise kalle vote potuduvange 🙂
Listen to the song pesugiren. Tree in the jungle have no one to water them, but yet, they struggle for survival and do finally sustain.
Love you all so much. Take care. Be Good. Be Kind. Take care of your fellow man. Study hard. Work Hard. Pray hard. leaders who are not facing lots of trouble for us. Include in your prayer, the names of the HINDRAF.
Correction to para #2
Compare the number of temples that were destroyed against the number of mosques that were destroyed.
Include in your prayer, the names of the HINDRAF leaders who are now facing lots of trouble for speaking on our behalf. Pray for their release.
We, Malays not interfering you ( some Malaysian Indians )in this blog. But as the nation Of Malaysia, we feel that there are unhealthy emotion from you guys ( some Indians )will lead to unpeaceful Malaysia. We love Malaysia…we want peace. I am sure hindraf suppoters don’t have civic minded. If big incident ( let say Malaysia ataccked by enemies )I’m sure you guys will not to be one nation to protect this country. You are confuse suppoters… you led this country open to world eyes and people will say that Malaysia is no more harmony and peace.
MP: edited for threats.
we just keep eye on you. if you hindraf go too far and challenge the federal constitution, ***********************
hey guys,
why throwing words at each other. but fighting among the racists we are doing what the government wants us to do. fight so that they can declare darurat and still be here to destroy all of us. Look what happen in so many malay villages. look at this artical:-
http://cetusan-hati.blogspot.com/2006/11/roboh-masjid-surau-kuil-rumah-di-mana.html
Roboh apa saja – rakyat masih mengundi BN. Mungkin ini falsafah dan pegangan kerajaan BN – baik di Terengganu, Pulau Pinang, Perak, Selangor atau di mana saja. Apa mereka peduli?
Dalam hal ini, BN benar. Kuasa yang besar, boleh membesarkan keangkuhan kuasa.
Di Pulau Pinang, yang dirobohkan adalah kuil. Orang Melayu kata, itu kuil. Di Terengganu, yang dirobohkan ialah masjid. Orang bukan Islam kata, itu urusan orang Melayu.
Di Kg. Berembang, kediaman dirobohkan. Mereka dirikan khemah, untuk berlindung dari panas dan hujan. Anak-anak kecil yang belum kenal erti hidup, bersesak dalam khemah sementara debar hati ibu dan bapa mereka kencang saban hari. Hari ini, khemah yang menjadi istana mereka pula dirobohkan.
Surau tempat mereka menyahut panggilan Tuhan, tidak ada sebarang kehormatan dan kemulian. Segalanya diratah.
Tangisan, penderitaan, jeritan batin, kemanusiaan – tiada perhitungan di sini. Sensitiviti agama juga tiada harga. Kehormatan Rumah Allah tidak dipedulikan, apa pula rumah rakyat biasa.Sedikit masa dulu, surau sebuah flat di Bangi menjadi mangsa. Bukan saja dinding surau dipecahkan, kipas dan lampunya pun turut dirampas. Seakan yang menyerang itu adalah garuda dan robot.
Ini bumi Islam Hadhari. Roboh – satu isu. cara meroboh, sekali lagi tidak menggambarkan ketamadunan, pada hal Islam Hadhari intinya adalah tamadun.
Kecuali- istana Datuk Zak di Kelang. Ia terlalu berharga untuk dirobohkan begitu saja. Perasaan rakyat biasa, harganya lebih murah. Perasaan kanak-kanak yang melihat ‘ganasnya’ pihak berkuasa, tidak pernah diambil kira.
Di mana Abdullah yang tersenyum lembut, yang mengusap kepala anak-anak ketika bersua mereka seperti disiarkan akhbar-akhbar? Di mana Puteri UMNO? Di mana Pemuda berkeris yang lantang bersumpah akan membela bangsa?
Tidakkah boleh rakyat marhaen Kg Berembang menumpang teduh di kediaman Perdana Menteri di Putra Jaya?
Not only indians, malays and chinese are fed-up with BN. those who see bersih rally will not talk onbehalf of BN.
I support both Hindraf and Bersih. Anwar and Uthaya is doing a great JOB.
Don’t listen to BN. they are trying to make this a
perang saudara.
to Hishamudin our so called Education minister .. Hindraf never said Muslim are terrorists. don’t speculate things.
As for the media minister Shahudin or what ever his name is.. you made a blunder in Al Jeezirah news. people are saying educate you minister before the start talking to foreigners.
Lets be together with bersih and hindraf to form
a new government.
Dear Indian friends,
As you all know, there has been a deliberate blunder in our own leadership which has resulted in a distorted society. Knowing no other alternatives to voice out our concerns, our Hindraf brothers had risked a great deal to voice the concern of the society.
Analyzing well and deep into this, the hit is not on UMNO but on our own Indian leaders who have been up there and not having themselves visible when we needed them or at times when they were supposed to be there in front of our eyes.
Hindraf members voiced out a massive outcry at the UMNO government. If they had done this to the Indian leadership (which is the allied party to BN), do you all think that the government would have taken this seriously? Now is when UMNO would stamp the sledge-hammer on the head of our leaders.
So, Hindraf did not disgrace the Indians cause if not for them, who else is willing to take the stand for the Indians in this country? Some succesful Indians who had worked their way up to greater heights of achievements may be up there but have they given a helping hand to another Indian? For some, it is indeed a disgrace being an Indian after this incident but the lesson one should learn that there is at least someone up there to stand up as a Malaysian Indian and they did it all for us.
Are our leaders looking into the society’s outcry? Why did he (Hindraf members) do so? Simple, those Indians who had made their way up just never looked back to give a hand to another Indian behind him. When this happened, the society grew weaker and disintegrated. Despite all that has happened, I am proud that we Indians have some members of the society that we can count on (Hindraf) and I am proud to be an Indian.
The question now that Hindraf, you and I should seriously look into are:
How are Indians going to be more productive and valuable to this nation?
How are we going to help each other to make this nation better?
How are we going to eliminate gansterism which has torn the society apart?
How are we going to learn and cooperate as Indians and proove ourselves valuable to Malaysia?
and lastly, how are we going to come together as Indians be it rich, the needy, old and young and respect each other?
Think, Think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let us voice such concerns and work with our brothers in Hindraf to make our society a valuble gem to the nation rather than being a nuisance.
*One place to start off in order to show that we really care as Indians in this country is to keep the temples clean after festivals. In every Hindu temples that I have seen, the place becomes a rubbish dump after festivals. Who has to clean up, the temple staff and those who wish to. Why can’t all you Indians out there from now on, make sure you change the perception of walking into the temple like a peacock just for the sake of praying for your weel being and for your family. Why not from now stay back to do some cleaning? The temple is a shared ground and to change it to an institution, we must change our arrogant ways to a more humble approach taking more responsibility. The Thaipusam ground is just an eye sore after the major festival with abundance of rubbish, be it in . Is this what we as Indians leave after paying our penance? The place is smeared and we are all comfortable heading home leaving the council to do the dirty job. So, what will their comment be and where will our reputation stand then? We might be paying them the money to carry out the task of cleaning up but as Hindus, we have created a heap of junk and garbage in the name of our Hindu deities.
So, change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only if we change, others would respect our presence. You may be a well to do, respected Indian dignitary (orang kenamaan) in this country but it is a disgrace to see another of your kind on the streets, invaluabel to the society and the nation. Stop saying that you do not care cause if we do not help our own Indians, who would?
If you have earned yourself a good place in the society and in contrast, there exists an Indian slump society in this country, ask yourself what you have done to make a better and a respected society cause at the end of the day, the slump and you are all Indians. We all fall under the very same category………………India.
To Raja Petra: Education on the Malaysian Constitution.
With reference to your suggestion about instructing our school going children and the public at large on the Constitution of the country – I really cannot imagine why you keep coming up with these excellent suggestions and expect the powers that be to adopt them. You don’t seem to get it – good suggestions/programs and the BN government is an antithesis.
Any suggestion from the Rakyat that stands even a remote chance of being implemented must satisfy very specific criteria. For future reference I outline some of the criteria here:-
1) The first question that must be answered is “what’s in it for me?” And “me” here means the person with the power to implement any such suggestion and his/her cronies. If there is no avenue in the suggestion for the personal material gratification of those people, than any such suggestion won’t even receive a cursory consideration.
2) Very important : – You must find a way to make any good suggestion that you have, seem like it was the BN politician’s idea. In fact, you must quietly put the suggestion to him/her and let him/her announce it as if it was his/her brilliance that conjured the idea up. You putting these ideas on the net with your name on it serves only to guarantee that the idea will be consigned to the rubbish dump even faster than you could post it on the internet.
3) Then you must ask – will implementing the plan make him/her popular? Why bother if it isn’t going to further his/her political support? It is preferable if the plan or suggestion will benefit mostly the people of one particular ethnic group. If it benefits the Rakyat as a whole – then the political mileage to the politician in charge is less significant.
4) A very important consideration is also – will the plan/suggestion make the Rakyat more informed and therefore enable them to make better decisions? If the answer is “yes” then the plan/suggestion is doomed. How can the BN government continue to remain in power if we start educating the Rakyat?!! So don’t make such ridiculous suggestions please!
5) It will be a bonus if the suggestion or plan instills fear in the Rakyat. You must couch the plan in such a way as to suggest that if it is NOT adopted, then some imagined bogeyman will somehow harm the people or take their rights away or colonize them etc. That way, it is sure to have the support of the “majority”.
I hope that you will bear in mind the necessary criteria outlined above for future suggestions. If they do not fall within these parameters – don’t bother making the suggestion. Stop wasting your time and everybody else’s. Thank you. Have a nice day.
I will support HINDRAF 1000000%.I will also come if thares a strike or a gathering.i hate samyvelu.he is now a perfect leader.first we must tear his seat……
VANAKAM , TAMIL MAKALEH VAALGA TAMIL VAALGA HINDRAF
If our current indian leader give a seat for youger indian teenager with enthusiasm sure HINDRAF wont struggle for asking our rights….Puthiya LEADERS With PUthiya IdEAS can bright up our future…valgha malaysia tamil makkal…supporting HINDRAF is not enough.Each and every indian should be responsible to our community and try to reduce involve in crimes so that others wont look down and try to take advantages on us..valgha tamil desam..Nothng can sabotage us if we r united.
MP: edited. btw, didn’t know thousands died every year due to haze in malaysia. are you saying it is slowly killing us?
I was througherly disgusted to hear about what is happening to Hindu temples in Malaysia. I am an ex-Malaysian (and never regretted leaving) now living in Australia. I saw the writing on the wall 10 years ago when I left. I would advise all Indians in Malaysia to do the same. You won’t be treated like dirt elsewhere, unlike in your own country.
The bloody government of Malaysia behaves very much like the Israelis in what the Israelis do to the Palestinians in the West Bank settlements.
Malaysia’s Prime Minister Badawi’s head is about as empty as a eunuch’s jock strap and is obviously of such a weak character that he does not care about the Nation’s people. His lap dog, that weak willed and spineless ********** Samy Velu is clearly too busy doing his bidding for the Malays that he has forgotten his own roots. All these monkeys in government speak about having dialogs after dialogs after dialogs and solving things the Malaysian way except that nothing ever happens only the rich and powerful will get their own way. So clearly if dialogs don’t work, then the best way forward is to spread the governments dirty deeds on the net, YouTube etc and take it to the UN. Malaysia cannot have it both ways in trying to project itself as a democracy and yet violate its own citizens’ human rights. Maybe its time to kick out the whole BN team from the Government. Hit the Malaysian Government where it hurts most, that is ruin their international image.
A case in point about the infinite dialogs is the haze problem in Malaysia is killing thousands of people every year. Although the problem originates in Indonesia, it is caused by Malaysian companies operating there, all with the support of the Malaysian government who are complicit with the forest destruction. That is because the mentri mentri etc are big rasuah takers enjoying kickbacks from these companies so nothing gets done. Every year the hazes comes and every year it’s the same – lets have another dialog. Clearly dialog does not work.
It is clear that the Malaysian Constitution is held in such contempt by the government that one can liken it to nothing more than toilet paper. If the government can bend the constitution, then the same can be asked as to why the Malays should still continue to enjoy Bumiputera status in the country. I am sure some clever Indian Lawyer could take this to task in the Malaysian Courts, after all it was an Indian Lawyer (Gandhi) brought down the mighty British Empire in India.
As an aside, I watched the some of the demonstrations on YouTube and could not help myself from laughing from the size of some of the Malaysian policemen. They looked like they were 6 months pregnant and it’s a wonder that they could still take part in the crowd control without getting a heart attack! Two guesses for who the rasuah taking policemen are, but you are only going to need one.
Just see how many Bumiputera students are sent to study at overseas institutes of learning. All fully paid for including extravagant living expenses, food and board and tuition fees. I have not know a single Indian to enjoy the same previlige.
Others started to wonder, are indians loyal to their country?